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From: joseph reese <joseph.reese@snet.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:12:04 -0400

Check the Pokegym's most recent article, it describes all about how to
play in the E-league.

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Re:Joyce J. Slaton

From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:39:46 -0400

Hi Joyce,

I am so glad your getting out, if you have a chance while in KY (I do not
know where you will be).  The Jacob Elder son of Samuel & Hannah Elder and
brother of my William Elder is first found in Pulaski Co. KY, he is on the
1807 or 1807 tax list, he marries Nancy Collier; he then appears in the
Dumplin Baptist minutes 1809 and leaves about one year later.  Find him
again when he marries (2) Hannah Moorehead and they have two children.
Jacob died and left a will "of sorts" he named his four children all having
same family names, one was Stephen (Collier's had a Stephen), John (Jacob
had a brother John), Hannah after his 2nd wife or his mother and I cannot
think of the fourth child's name.  In a book he is listed as Joseph or John
but in the court records Lincoln Co KY where he recorded his will it is
under Jacob.  I have copies from both places.  Question:  Why would Jacob
Elder go to KY, and what connection did he have to the Washington Co VA
Elder's.  I found a man, Allan Leach and he pulled the Lincoln Co records.
In McCormack Cemetery you will find part of Matthew Elder's family including
his daughter who never married, Rebecca.  Allan Leach or Leech has done a
lot of work to keep the cemetery on its feet, I've been told.  Allan does
know of some connection but for some reason he finally restrained from
further discussion.  I offered to pay him to do some research and he said he
was going on to other things?

Have a wonderful trip, look forward to hearing from you.

God Bless,

Ann
-----Original Message-----
From: JJSlaton@aol.com <JJSlaton@aol.com>
To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Re:Joyce J. Slaton


>Hi Ann,
>
>I hope to get more active in genealogy now and will stay in touch.  I plan
to
>go to KY for a few days when the weather is cooler and hope to fill in some
>of the Elder blanks.   Some day I plan to go to washington Co VA also.
>
>Will stay in touch.
>Take care,
>Joyce
>

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Re:Joyce J. Slaton

From: JJSlaton@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 07:54:34 EDT

Hi Ann,

I know Allan Leach and he is very busy with some historical writing and 
caring for elderly parents at last I spoke to him several years ago. He is 
especially interested in old churches and buildings  - which is how he became 
involved with the McCormack Church. I belong to the Association and try to 
attend their reunion every year on Labor Day weekend. Mostly McCormacks. 

Robert Elder [son of Mathew of Washington Co Va], his wife Rebecca Robinson 
and his sister Rebecca Elder are buried in the McC. cemetary but there are no 
longer any headstones for them.  Allan did a lot of research on the church 
and helped to organize a cleanup of the cemetary some years ago.   He is 
seldom involved in any activities there now.  James Elder , another son of 
Mathew also went to Lincoln Co KY but later went to Pike Co IN.  I have 
contact with several of his descendents. 

I intend to be in Lincoln, Fayette and Madison Counties Ky later this year - 
also at the KY Historical Society Library in Frankfort so will see what I can 
find on any other Ky Elders.  Will get back to you when I have something of 
interest.
Take care and thanks again for all of the well wishes.  I miss Herb terribly 
but I am going on as I promised him and the children I would.  Next week I 
start teaching part again at a Sylvan  Learning Center near me and always 
enjoy that. 
Joyce

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Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder

From: Ether43@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:45:03 EDT

I went to Westmoreland Co.,PA yesterday to get a copy of John Elder's will. 
The will is dated 14 Oct. 1800.....does anyone know the date of death? Is 
there any information on his wife, Mary?
I also found naturalization papers for a John Elder (don't think he is the 
same as above.)  :
Elder, John, Native of Ireland. Now resides in Wheatfield Twp. Indiana 
County,PA. Was living in US before 29 January,1795 (has lived in US 2 years 
and PA. 1 year) Vouched for by Joseph McCartney of Wheatfield Twp. Admitted 
as citizen 
20 September 1805.

Nancy Monahan

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John Elder

From: LazyVElder@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:17:56 EDT

     The John Elder from Wheatfield twp Indiana Co. was b 1762 Leitrim Co. 
Ireland. He had a brother Samuel living in Westmoreland Co. and another 
brother William living in Somerset Co. John Elder did live in Westmoreland 
Co. and a few other places before settling down East of Armagh Pa. I am 
looking and researching for as much information on this Elder line as 
possible. The naturalization information I am interested in. Thank you.

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Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder

From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:46:18, -0500

According to my information this John Elder dated his will
14 Oct 1800 and was proved 10 Nov 1800.   His wife was
Mary Caruthers.

I believe he was the son of Thomas & Mary (Patterson ) Elder
and the grandson of Robert & Eleanor ( some say Gialespie??) Elder

I am looking for those who are descendants of John Elder whose
will was proved 1804.

Mary Cole
   CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
   after Oct 1, 1999: marycole@Prodigy.net

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John Elder (son of Thomas & Elizabeth Mary Patterson)

From: patroon@IBM.NET
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:46:31 +0000

Message for T. David Elder concerning John Elder:  I have a John Elder Line
beginning with John and wife: Nancy Rose.  John was born in 1755/died 1836.
This couple had 15 children and first show up in our records as having lived
in Bedford Co., Pa..  Later moved to Scott Twp. (was Mercer Co. and now
Lawrence Co., Pa.).  Does this tie to your Elder Line?  Harry

T. David Elder wrote:

> My information about this John Elder is also that he is the son of Thomas
> Elder and Elizabeth Mary Patterson and therefore the grandson of Robert
> Elder and Eleanor Gillespie of Paxtang. John's siblings were Rachel and
> Robert. I am descended from Robert Elder and Ann Ingram and have a copy of
> his will. I am aware of John and Thomas' wills and have copies on order.
> Dave Elder

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Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder (son of Thomas & Elizabeth Mary Patterson)

From: tdelder@norfolk.infi.net (T. David Elder)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:59:29 -0400

My information about this John Elder is also that he is the son of Thomas
Elder and Elizabeth Mary Patterson and therefore the grandson of Robert
Elder and Eleanor Gillespie of Paxtang. John's siblings were Rachel and
Robert. I am descended from Robert Elder and Ann Ingram and have a copy of
his will. I am aware of John and Thomas' wills and have copies on order.
Dave Elder

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Robert & Ann Ingram Elder

From: Ether43@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:45:30 EDT

I don't have any information on Robert and Ann....can you give me dates and 
their children?
Thanks
Nancy

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Old Salem Presbyterian Cemetery

From: Ether43@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:54:02 EDT

Found these graves in the Old Salem Presbyterian Church yard in New 
Alexander,Westmoreland Co.,PA
Margaret H. Nighols wife of Thomas Elder  died January 18,1890 age 70 years 4 
months 27 days.
Mary Elder  died February 20,1823  age 64
Patsey M. Elder  died September 18,1820 age 5 years
Robert Elder  died March 26,1832  age 86 years 3 months   Rev. War on marker
M. Nettie Elder   1862 - 1905
Thomas H. Elder  1852- 1931
Frank N .( 5 star GAR marker) Co. C. 53rd PA. Vol.
Margaret H. Elder  1870- 19 ?

May help someone.
Nancy K. Monahan

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John Elder (son of Thomas Elder and Elizabeth Mary Patterson)

From: patroon@IBM.NET
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:44:04 +0000

Thanks for the info.  I also have a Crowther Line which sometimes I find
spelled Caruthers.  My earliest positive is a Mary Crowther born 1778 in
Chester Co., Pa..  Early records at the DAR and SAR state that her father was
Nathan Crowther and mother was Polly unknown.  We have State Archive Records
showing this Nathan as being in the RW from Chester Co..  But...we have no
other records.  Now, a group of researchers believe Mary's father was a James
Crowther from Maryland.  The group I work with do not feel the records are
positive enough to clam James or Nathan.  This is our problem.  Do you tie to
this line?  Harry

T. David Elder wrote:

> Harry,
> I don't know of a connection with your John Elder. This Subject was born in
> 1743 and was married to Mary Caruthers. He left a will in Westmoreland
> County, PA in Oct 1800.
> Dave

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Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder (son of Thomas Elder and Elizabeth Mary Patterson)

From: tdelder@norfolk.infi.net (T. David Elder)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:24:27 -0400

Harry,
I don't know of a connection with your John Elder. This Subject was born in
1743 and was married to Mary Caruthers. He left a will in Westmoreland
County, PA in Oct 1800.
Dave

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Robert & Ann Ingram Elder

From: tdelder@norfolk.infi.net (T. David Elder)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:23:07 -0400

Robert Elder, b. abt 1748 in Dauphin Co.,PA , d. 10-3-1825 in Clark Co.,OH
and left a will naming his children. He married Ann Ingram, b. abt 1767, d.
9-20.1827.
Their children were Elizabeth, m. Samuel Elder Stewart 10-11-1808 in
Dauphin Co., PA; Jane, b.11-11-1790, Dauphin Co.,PA, m. 3-21-1811 James
Stewart, d. 4-15-1863 in Clark Co., OH.; Thomas, b. 4-4-1795, Dauphin Co.,
PA., m. Margaret Anderson, d. 10-18-1871 in Clark Co.,OH; Ann, b.
5-19-1798, Dauphin Co., PA, m. 3-2-1815 John Templeton Stewart, d.
9-24-1880 in Clark Co., OH; Robert, b. 3-2-1802, m. 11-14-1823 Nancy Todd
Elder in Butler Co., OH, d. 3-12-1875 Clark Co., OH; Susanna, b. abt. 1804,
Clark Co., OH, m. 9-9-1824 Charles Stewart, Clark Co., OH, d. date not
known; John, b. abt. 1809, m. 3-23-1841 Phebe Casey.

     Dave



>I don't have any information on Robert and Ann....can you give me dates and
>their children?
>Thanks
>Nancy

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder, Robert d. 1825 Clark Co, Oh

From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:05:19, -0500

Hi Dave

You wrote:

>Robert Elder, b. abt 1748 in Dauphin Co.,PA , d. 10-3-1825 in Clark 
Co.,OH
>and left a will naming his children. He married Ann Ingram, b. abt 
1767, d.
>9-20.1827.
>Their children were Elizabeth, m. Samuel Elder Stewart 10-11-1808 
in
>Dauphin Co., PA; Jane, b.11-11-1790, ........

Are you sure Robert b. abt 1748?  His wife would be 20 yrs younger
and his 1st child would be born abt 1788 when he was 40 and he
continued to have children?

The reason I asked - I have David (Robert, Robert) who was married 
to
another Eleanor.  David went to Ohio.  David & Eleanor had two sons
Joshua and Robert.  I estimate David was born between 1730 - 1740
which would make him too young to have a son, Robert, 1748.

Mary Cole
   CDGG47A@Prodigy.com

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Crowther

From: tdelder@norfolk.infi.net (T. David Elder)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:26:14 -0400

Harry,

I'm not aware of any tie to the Crowthers line although the similar
pronunciation of Crowthers and Caruthers will certainly make the search
more difficult. I don't have any information about Mary Caruthers, wife of
John Elder son of Thomas Elder and Elizabeth Mary Patterson.

    Dave

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Robert Elder's Sex Life

From: tdelder@norfolk.infi.net (T. David Elder)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:49:25 -0400

Dear Mary,

I've rechecked the typing and dates in my message to you and think they are
correct as well as we can tell from info today. Robert would have been 61
when his last child, John, was born and Ann Ingram about 42. Both certainly
conpatible with fertile ages. Without the benefits of today's birth control
and the usual large families of those days, they seem compatible both then
and now. I'm certainly not sure about the abt. 1748 date or there wouldn't
be an "abt." Even your David, b.1730-1740 would have been between 8 and 18
and certainly in the last 3 to 4 or 5 years capable of fathering Robert.

   Dave



Are you sure Robert b. abt 1748?  His wife would be 20 yrs younger
and his 1st child would be born abt 1788 when he was 40 and he
continued to have children?

The reason I asked - I have David (Robert, Robert) who was married
to
another Eleanor.  David went to Ohio.  David & Eleanor had two sons
Joshua and Robert.  I estimate David was born between 1730 - 1740
which would make him too young to have a son, Robert, 1748.

Mary Cole
   CDGG47A@Prodigy.com

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Thanks for getting me back to the list.

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:27:02 -0400

Hi Elder's, we sure are quiet these days.
ELDER, Esther, dau of Samuel & Hannah ( ? ) ELDER (Samuel's will was proven
1811 in Sevier Co TN).  Esther ELDER WIDNER is named in her father's will
and appears to be the only daughter unless one or more died.  Does anyone
know about Michael & Esther ELDER Widner? Thanks so much, Ann
elderbrooks@msn.com

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Extracts from Indiana Review Newspaper, Indiana Co. PA

From: Ether43@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:29:26 EDT

The last extract isn't "Elder News" but thought you may want to see how some 
things never change :)
Nancy K. Monahan
July ,1866
On the evening of the 19th, at the house of his son-in-law, JOHN McNIEL, 
Boiling Springs, Armstrong county, JOHN W. ELDER, ESQ., of Clarksburg, in 
the58th year of his age. He was a member of the Presbyterian Church; also at 
the time of his death, Superintendent of the Sabbath School at Clarksburg. 
Mr. E. had gone the Monday previous to MR. McNIEL's to harvest-started home 
the 18th, riding a young horse, (not vicious) had to get off 80 rods from the 
house to open a gate in a lane, and in getting on again, the horse took 
fright from a carpet-sack attached to the off side of the saddle. The horse 
squatted, which threw MR. E. back-- his left foot fastened in the stirup 
[sic];the horse dragging him slowly a short a [sic] distance. MR. E. said he 
was not hurt and walked back to his daughter's. About 10 a.m. got sick, fell 
into heavy sleep, slept on till next evening 7 o'clock and expired of 
Apoplexy and Paralysis combined.

20 November 1867
ELDER. At her residence, on Elders Ridge, on the 13th inst., after a short 
illness--inflamation [sic] of the stomach and liver, and termina [sic] on the 
Lungs, --ELIZABETH, consort of JOHN ELDER, age 63 years. She was one of two 
twin sisters--the other survives, (wife of REV. J.H.KIRKPATRICK,) and only 
children of JOHN AND ELIZABETH M'KEE. The deceased had a son in the Ministry, 
a Missionary on our northern lakes, and at his Master's call, laid down his 
life there, another son in the service of the Government in the Great 
Rebellion, died at Camp Reynolds. An affectionate husband, two daughters and 
many friends mourn her demise. She was a member in the Presbyterian church, 
and died in the hope of the Gospel and a happy immortality.

.16 August 1865.
INCOME TAX. D.W. SHRYOCK, ESQ., Assessor, has our thanks for the priviliege 
ofcopying the following list of those taxed in Indian [sic] county, for 
IncomeTax, and the amount of $600, taxable for the year 1864.
Names                            District           Amount Taxed at 5%
ELDER, THOMAS           Young                       890
ELDER, ROBERT                "                        1,237
ELDER, F.B.                       "                          810
EWING, JOHN S.                "                          649
ELDER, JOHN               Blacklick                    685
EARHART, WILLIAM      Blairsville                 1,070
ELLIOTT, ALEX.               Armagh                    825
ELDER, JOHN F.            Blacklick                     10

20 April 1864
MARRIED
ELDER-CALDWELL. On the 7th inst., by the Rev. S. M'Farren, MR. THOMAS ELDER 
of Indiana county, and MISS MARTHA CALDWELL, of Salem township, Westmoreland 
county.

30 September 1863
SHOULD BE STOPPED. 
We have noticed recently that a couple boys about town are in the habit, 
almost daily, of riding horses at an unusually rapid speed through our 
streets. This should not be permitted. We trust the parents of those boys 
will put a stop to such conduct--otherwise they may fall into the hands of 
the authorities. The safety of persons upon the street cannot be jeopardized 
to gratify the whims and desires of reckless men and boys.

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Rod Elder

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:14:08 -0400

Rod Elder requested copy of Samuel Elder's will, d. 1811 Sevier Co., TN.
Can you receive attachments?  I have it on my PC exactly as it was written.
I also have a copy of the original will.  You said we are related?  From
which son of Samuel or another line?  Let me know & I will send you a copy
of Sam's will.  Ann E. B. Poe

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Subject: [Elder-News]: I have questions about the infamous Margaret Elder who was going to marry David Crockett

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:38:20 -0400

Hi Elder's
Elder: Richard Boyd Hauck wrote a book called "Davy Crockett A Handbook",
this is more  reality and not the "yarns" spread.  University of Nebraska
Press, Lincoln and London. First printing 1986.  I have talked with the
author, he is with one of the universities. Copyright acknowledgement "The
author would like to thank the University of Tennessee Press for the use of
scattered quotes from the facsimile pages of "A Narrative of the Life of
David Crockett of the State of Tennessee by David Crockett with annotations
and introduction by James A. Shackford and Stanley J. Folmsbee, copyright
1973 by the University of Tennessee Press." I will send this in parts and
only "The Crockett Chronlogy" - "1658 -(Approximate date. - English
ancestors of Crockett's mother, Rebecca Hawkins, arrive in Virginia.
1708 - (Approximate date.)  Joseph Louis Crockett and his wife, Sarah
Stewart., migrate from Ireland to America.  Crockett's great grandfather,
William, is born either during the voyage or at some later date.
1716-(Approximate date.) Joseph Louis Crockett, William, and other family
members move to Virginia. 1750 - (Approximate date.) William Crockett and
family move to North Carolina.
1771 - The names of David Crockett (the grandfather) and two of his sons are
written in the records at Lincolnton Court House, North Carolina.
1775 - David Crockett (the grandfather), his wife, and their children join
the great westward migration by crossing the Appalachians to settle in the
territory that will become the western tip of North Carolina and the eastern
tip of Tennessee." Will be cont. Ann

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Davy Crockett continues

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:53:19 -0400

Elder:  "1777 - Crockett's grandparents are killed when a party of Creeks
and Chickamaugas attack their homestead near Rogersville in Hawkins County,
Tennessee.  Crockett's father, John, is not at home.  His Uncle Joseph is
wounded; his Uncle James is captured, and remains a captive for twenty
years.
1780 - (Approximate date.) John Crockett marries Rebecca Hawkins, and they
settle in the area that is to become GREENE COUNTY, TENNESSEE.
_____ In October, at Kings Mountain in North Carolina, John Crockett is one
of the frontiersman who defeat British troops under Patrick Ferguson, an
action that significantly delays Conrwallis's northward march.
1786 - David Crockett is born to John and Rebecca on August 17 in Greene
County, Tennessee, near the mouth of Limestone Creek on the Nolichucky
River.
1794 - John Crockett's mill on Cove Creek in Green County is washed out by a
flood.
1796 - John Crockett establishes a tavern on the Knoxville - Abingdon Road.
____ - Tennessee is admitted to the Union.
1798 - Young Crockett is hired out to Jacob Siler to help move cattle to
Virginia.  Siler refuses to release  him, so the boy escapes and makes his
way home through severe winter weather.
1799 - Already thirteen, Crockett starts school, is punished by his father
for playing hookey, and runs away." Part 3 to be cont. This will lead to a
Margaret Elder & Crockett. Ann E. B. Poe

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder/Crockett continued

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:13:17 -0400

Elder/Crockett: "1800 - Crockett stands on a wharf in Baltimore and dreams
or being a sailor. He goes to work for wagoners instead, and begins a long
journey home.
1802 - After crossing the New River in an ice storm, Crockett returns to his
father's tavern for a tearful reunion with his family.
1805 - Crockett plans to marry MARGARET ELDER, but she decides he is
irresponsible and breaks their rather informal engagement.
1806 - Crockett courts Mary (Polly) Finley, and they are married in
Jefferson County, Tennessee, in August.
1811 - In the fall, Crockett, Polly, and their small sons, John and William,
move to Lincoln County in Tennessee and settle on Mulberry Creek, a
tributary of the Elk River.
1812 - In the Southeast, the war takes the form of conflict with both the
British and the Indians, and settlers in Tennessee and Alabama prepare to
defend their holdings.
1813 - Crockett and his family move to Franklin County and establishes a
homestead on Bean's Creek, southwest if Winchester, Tennessee,
___ On August 30 Indians attack Fort Mims in Southern Alabama, killing the
260 soldiers in the garrison and a like number of civilians.
___ In September, Crockett participates in a massacre as Andrew Jackson's
army wipes out the Indian town of Tallusahatchee.
___ By December 24, Crockett is home, having served his ninety - day
enlistment, in spite of his later claim tht he took part in a mutiny against
Jackson, an incident that was actually nothing more than a brief
confrontation staged by militiamen who wanted to go home after sixty days.
To be cont. Part 4 aebp

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Subject: [Elder-News]: "I have questions about the "infamous Margaret Elder"

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:17:41 -0400

This was on part of the message will usually come back. Question?  First
reason for post, I've had enough of mail lately that I cannot answer about
MARGARET ELDER.  MARGARET'S PARENTS, WHOM EVER THEY WERE NEVER MET MR.
CROCKETT.  aebp

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder/Crockett

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:31:02 -0400

Margaret ELDER could not have been the daughter of Samuel ELDER who died
1811 in Sevier Co., TN. this shows that Mr. Crockett's book is not exactly
correct. aebp

1836 - Early in the summer, at Edward Carey's suggestion, Richard Penn Smith
puts together "Col. Crockett's Exploits and Adventures in Texas," "Written
by himself."  In spite of having been almost wholly fabricated, the book is
destined to be a cornerstone for the Crockett legend.
___ - In the fall, Martin Van Buren is elected president of the United
States.
1835 - Over forty-five Crockett almanacs are published in various cities by
1856 various various publishers. (Nashville imprints from 1835 to 1838
appear to have been produced in Boston.)
1841 - Crockett's son, John, obtains a land bill in Congress, succeeding
where his father had failed.
1872 - Frank Murdock's play "Davy Crockett: Or, Be sure You're right, 1896
Then Go Ahead" runs continuously in the United States and England, with
Frank Mayo in the hero's role.
(There is only a small part left, aebp.)

Another generation or people new to searching for their ancestors persist on
this MARGARET ELDER - DAVID CROCKETT  marriage.  There is a copy of the
license in Dandridge, but Margaret refused to marry David Crockett. abep

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Subject: [Elder-News]: David Elder

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:10:36 -0700

ELDER, David-Do any of you have information on David with sources?  David ELDER has been confused with the TN. Samuel ELDER family.  Daivd was born in Lincoln Co, NC after the 1790 NC Census.  On the 1790 is listed a William ELDERS with a wife and young daughter.  These Elder's used the name ELDERS.  I do not know why unless they were distinguishing themselves from others named ELDER.  McClung HistoricalİSociety in Knoxville, TN.İAmong the loose papers is a article byİRay S. Worth, Dallas, 1936 from "Southern Historical Research Magazine".  Attached to this article is a list of David Elder, his wife and children which a lady who lives in LA left.   The article is written without sources, it is more guess work than research and if printed today has no genealogical use.  Many new researchers are looking for this David ELDER and seem to believe it. Iİhad contact from three of David's descendants and theyİhave considerable proof to show this article is not accurate.  Margaret ELDER is mentioned as "probably the sister of David".  This ELDER family married into the Hedgecoke family.  David's wife was Susannah Hyde said to have been the dau. of Benjamin HYDE b. ca 1795 Lincoln Co NC.İandİher mother is listed as Elizabeth Leatherwood. Children listed: (I have read the Macon Co NC Census, the Hopkins, Hunt Co., TX census.)aebp; The saidİmother, Susannah Hyde is not named among the children of Benjamin & Elizabeth (Leatherwood) HYDE.  1. William R. ELDER Dec 1814 m. (1) Melitta Hedgecocke 2. Benjamin Hyde ELDER Nov 27, 1817 m. Nancy Alvira Beck Sep 16, 1839 Haywood Co NC. 3. M. Eliza ELDER, Apr 12, 1822, b.  TN. mar. Eli Martin DeHart. 4. John Lee ELDER Oct 23, 1828 (22 in 1850, Macon Co NCİcensus) do not know whom he married. 5. Elizabeth Telitha ELDER March 28, 1825, census says GA., mar. Minter Hedgecoke.  6. Sarah Elvira ELDER b. ca 1830 according to the 1850 Macon Co NC census, mar.John C.İTabor in Macon Co.NC, Dec 22m 1849. 7.Margaret Minerva ELDER Feb 26, 1834 Macon Co NC.. 8. David Fuller ELDER June 30, 1836, Macon Co., NC.. 9. S. Catherine founds as Catherine L. Aug 5, 1839, Macon Co., NC.. 10. James Lafaette ELDER Feb 3, 1842, Macon Co., NC. I left one out, Rachel Narcissa ELDER Aug 11, 1831, Wm. Beck May 25, 1849 in Macon Co NC.There is considerable more information on David ELDER. aebp

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Fw: David Elder

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:15:30 -0700

                                        İİİ
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:elderbrooks@msn.com>Ann Poe
To: <mailto:elder-news@intrepid.net>Elder Email Group
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 9:10 PM
Subject: David Elder

ELDER, David-Do any of you have information on David with sources?  David ELDER has been confused with the TN. Samuel ELDER family.  Daivd was born in Lincoln Co, NC after the 1790 NC Census.  On the 1790 is listed a William ELDERS with a wife and young daughter.  These Elder's used the name ELDERS.  I do not know why unless they were distinguishing themselves from others named ELDER.  McClung HistoricalİSociety in Knoxville, TN.İAmong the loose papers is a article byİRay S. Worth, Dallas, 1936 from "Southern Historical Research Magazine".  Attached to this article is a list of David Elder, his wife and children which a lady who lives in LA left.   The article is written without sources, it is more guess work than research and if printed today has no genealogical use.  Many new researchers are looking for this David ELDER and seem to believe it. Iİhad contact from three of David's descendants and theyİhave considerable proof to show this article is not accurate.  Margaret ELDER is mentioned as "probably the sister of David".  This ELDER family married into the Hedgecoke family.  David's wife was Susannah Hyde said to have been the dau. of Benjamin HYDE b. ca 1795 Lincoln Co NC.İandİher mother is listed as Elizabeth Leatherwood. Children listed: (I have read the Macon Co NC Census, the Hopkins, Hunt Co., TX census.)aebp; The saidİmother, Susannah Hyde is not named among the children of Benjamin & Elizabeth (Leatherwood) HYDE.  1. William R. ELDER Dec 1814 m. (1) Melitta Hedgecocke 2. Benjamin Hyde ELDER Nov 27, 1817 m. Nancy Alvira Beck Sep 16, 1839 Haywood Co NC. 3. M. Eliza ELDER, Apr 12, 1822, b.  TN. mar. Eli Martin DeHart. 4. John Lee ELDER Oct 23, 1828 (22 in 1850, Macon Co NCİcensus) do not know whom he married. 5. Elizabeth Telitha ELDER March 28, 1825, census says GA., mar. Minter Hedgecoke.  6. Sarah Elvira ELDER b. ca 1830 according to the 1850 Macon Co NC census, mar.John C.İTabor in Macon Co.NC, Dec 22m 1849. 7.Margaret Minerva ELDER Feb 26, 1834 Macon Co NC.. 8. David Fuller ELDER June 30, 1836, Macon Co., NC.. 9. S. Catherine founds as Catherine L. Aug 5, 1839, Macon Co., NC.. 10. James Lafaette ELDER Feb 3, 1842, Macon Co., NC. I left one out, Rachel Narcissa ELDER Aug 11, 1831, Wm. Beck May 25, 1849 in Macon Co NC.There is considerable more information on David ELDER. aebp  I have a new PC and a new "easy keyboard" please excuse my blunders. Ann

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER, David

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:31:08 -0700

1850 U S Census Macon County NC, June, 1988 Roll No M432.636  Sept 17, 1850 TENNESSEE VALLEY (pages are not numbered.  Line 20, 523/533 David ELDER and family. David ELDER 56 M Clergyman Baptist born Lincoln Co NC, Susannah ELDER 55 F born Lincoln Co NC, Margaret M. 17 F, Macon Co NC, David F. 14 M born Macon Co NC. Catharine 11, born Macon Co., NC. James L. 8 born Macon Co NC. Mary L. Toney 12 Tenn. (Mary L. Toney-have no idea who she was)aebp

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Georgia Elders

From: Dan Elder <dan.elder@fbcvidalia.org>
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:39:26 -0400

Hi everyone.  I normally just listen, but I have a discovery that some of the Southern portion of our clan may be interested in.

I found one of two Elder family graveyards in middle Georgia and finally got to visit the Elder covered bridge near Watkinsville.

The newer graveyard is located in Oconee County on Georgia route 15 just south of Watkinsville (which is below Athens).  It contains 5 generations of Elders, is well maintained by Walter Elder, and is readily visible from the highway.  A few Elders still live nearby.

An older graveyard is located a few miles away containing the graves of the earliest Elder settlers, including David one of the decendents of Peter of the Virginia clan.  David's headstone bears the date of 1760.

The Elder bridge is a beautiful covered bridge that spans a small stream in a particularly picturesque setting.  It is the equal of any New England covered bridge you ever saw on a post card.  The US Geological Survey map of the area even identifies the area as Elder, GA, although I didn't see any commercial structures.

Lee, I understand you have spoken with these folks and have captured their story.

I have GPS coordinates for the second, newer graveyard if anyone is interested.  I hope to visit the older, overgrown graveyard when it cools off and the local rattlesnakes go away.

Walter Elder says he would be happy to receive phone calls from relatives who would like further info.  There is no list of those buried in the newer graveyard, but it looks to contain about 30 graves.  I can forward his number to those who are interested.

I hope someone can use this.  My only regret is this isn't my branch.  I'm still looking for the PA to Grayson County KY connection (see my story on the web page).

Hope everyone stays well.  Stay tuned. . . 		:-)

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Georgia Elders

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:16:13 -0700

Dan,
How very thoughtful of you to share this information and the story of the
covered bridge.  Perhaps next trip to GA I can get my husband to so some
"looking around".  I have to smile about the rattlesnakes, the majority of
my Elder family are buried in Dumplin Valley cemetery, Jefferson Co TN.  My
Mother would never go with me unless it snowed and if it snowed you could
not get there, her reason was rattlesnakes and copperheads!
Thank you,
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Elder <dan.elder@fbcvidalia.org>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 4:39 PM
Subject: [Elder-News]: Georgia Elders


> Hi everyone.  I normally just listen, but I have a discovery that some of
the Southern portion of our clan may be interested in.
>
> I found one of two Elder family graveyards in middle Georgia and finally
got to visit the Elder covered bridge near Watkinsville.
>
> The newer graveyard is located in Oconee County on Georgia route 15 just
south of Watkinsville (which is below Athens).  It contains 5 generations of
Elders, is well maintained by Walter Elder, and is readily visible from the
highway.  A few Elders still live nearby.
>
> An older graveyard is located a few miles away containing the graves of
the earliest Elder settlers, including David one of the decendents of Peter
of the Virginia clan.  David's headstone bears the date of 1760.
>
> The Elder bridge is a beautiful covered bridge that spans a small stream
in a particularly picturesque setting.  It is the equal of any New England
covered bridge you ever saw on a post card.  The US Geological Survey map of
the area even identifies the area as Elder, GA, although I didn't see any
commercial structures.
>
> Lee, I understand you have spoken with these folks and have captured their
story.
>
> I have GPS coordinates for the second, newer graveyard if anyone is
interested.  I hope to visit the older, overgrown graveyard when it cools
off and the local rattlesnakes go away.
>
> Walter Elder says he would be happy to receive phone calls from relatives
who would like further info.  There is no list of those buried in the newer
graveyard, but it looks to contain about 30 graves.  I can forward his
number to those who are interested.
>
> I hope someone can use this.  My only regret is this isn't my branch.  I'm
still looking for the PA to Grayson County KY connection (see my story on
the web page).
>
> Hope everyone stays well.  Stay tuned. . . :-)
>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: David Elder went to TX

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:47:48 -0700

ELDER, David:  I am sure some of the descendants of David Elder read the Elder News, I get enough mail direct and this would be the best place to present this information.  Lee what do you know about this David Elder?  Do you know of any of his descendants?
 
This is the David ELDER which Ray S.Worth confused with the William Elder who married Rebecca Cates 1803 Jefferson Co., TN.  ONLY ONE William ELDER is found. Virginia Knight Nelson, Lois Elder Lanier, Mary Lindsey Brosveen and others have searched for a second William Elder.  Our William ELDER d. 1823, left a will and named his older children, James, Samuel, Charles, Hugh Martin.  William also named a Rebecca LAWRENCE and he left her more than his wife Rebecca (Cates) ELDER.  William was the son of Samuel and Hannah ( ? ) ELDER.  William and his brothers and one sister Esther wife of Michael "Widner" are named in Samuel Elder's will which was first proven in Sevier Co., TN.  William ELDER was active in the Dumplin Valley Baptist Church until 1823, he was also a deacon.  His siblings were also memebers and mention in the minutes many times including Esther (Elder) WIDNER.
 
Why is it so hard to understand that David ELDER was not the son of Samuel or William, Samuel's son?  The reason I spent so much time on David Elder, to prove he was not the son of William or William's father Samuel.
 
I pose questions which seem to have no answers?  Who was Rebecca Lawrence? Named in the will of William Elder, 1823.  Was she a young widowed daughter? Was she the child of James & Mary (Cates) Lawrence (they died on or before 1818).  William and Rebecca had one other child, Hannah ELDER and possibly other "younger children" as stated in William's will.  Ann Elder-Brooks Poe

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Subject: [Elder-News]: NC Records

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:03:59 -0700

ELDER: STATE RECORDS OF NORTH CAROLINA, Index to North Carolina Census-1798 by Clark.  Page 64 - these are not complete, I usually was being asked to leave the library so they could close.
ELDER, Andrew p.320            ELDER, James, p.947    ELDER, John, p.945
ELDER, Wm. p.718*İİİİİİİİİİİİİİİELDERS, Mary p. 718*
*The contact I haveİwith the very serious researchers of David Elder have expressed that Mary ELDERSİmay have been the wife of the above Wm. ELDER (both on p.718.) This Wm. ELDER seems to be the same Wm. born in Lincoln Co., NC., had a wife and young daughter.I believe is the same William ELDERİwho was a Rev War soldier (also listed in these books).  The "young daughter"İmay have been Margaret ELDER? aebpİİİİİİİ

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Subject: [Elder-News]: NC RECORDS

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:49:16 -0700

ELDER, Matthew:  COLONIAL RECORDS OF NC, P. 148
P.527 - 19TH August, 1777.  David DRYDEN'S estate settled by Samuel  LYLE-1773, March 2. paid John McCOLLUM, Jr.; legacies paid August 27th to James DRYDEN, Elliner DRYDEN, Thomas DRYDEN, Nathan DRYDEN, Wm. DRYDEN, Dorothy DRYDEN, David DRYDEN; 1772 September 10th, received >from Thomas Leckey; October 31st, Matthew ELDER; 1776, August 27th, Dominick Moran. These may be abstract if individuals.  No intention to associate the above Matthew ELDER with the DRYDEN'S.
 
STATE RECORDS First Federal Census, 1790--Continued, p. 329, Burke Co, 6th Company: ELDER, Matthew..Free White males of sixteen years and upward including head of families. TWO (2) -Free White Males under sixteen.One (!) Free white female including heads of families. Andrew Elder sixteen years or upward, 2 free white males under sixteen and one free female.
 
ELDER, George: March 1764 (B) page 485-Lewis & Robinson vs Pearis & Co.--To Mr. David ROBINSON & CO., debtor: 1762, November 9, to 15,113 beef @ 28/per hundred, P. C. pnds.211,11,7.  Contra: 1762, November 9, by George ELDER'S pay as manager at the slaughter house, 6 days, at 5/; by William BILLS, a butcher, 6 days, at 3/9 per day; by William MARSHEL, assistant butcher, at 1/3 per day; by Stephen ALLINGER assistant butcher, at 1/3 perday; by a corporal and four privates at /6 per day, six days; by cash at HOIT'S; by cash at Fort Pitt; by cash paid John FLEMING'S expenses; by cash paid Thomas SMALL'S expenses; by cash advanced at Staunton.  Capt. William T THOMSON, pay the bearer hereof, Mr. Charles LEWIS the sum of one hundred and thirty-eight pounds, Pennsylvania money, which we stand indebted to him, and place the same to the account of your humble servant. (Signed) Robert Pearis.  Test. John STEWART
 
William ELDEAR, army pay, 17, 280.*
Samuel ELDER exempted from tax. 13. 842, 845, 936.
ELDE________ recommends /SMITH. 3.81.
Thomas ELDER, claims proved, 8. 517.
* I have a copy of this service and this was not our "TN" ELDER/ELDEAR. aebp

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Subject: [Elder-News]: NC ELDER'S

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:58:28 -0700

STATE RECORDS NORTH CAROLINA  First Federal Census 1790--Continued p. 945-Randolph County.
John ELDER 1 free white male sixteen years and upwards. Including heads of household. Four (4) free white males under sixteen years.  Two (2) free white females including heads of households.
 
There is a George Hamon and Cutlif Hamon, Matthew Hamon.  Hamonds/Hammonds are associated with other ELDER family lines. aebp

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER'S Lincoln Co NC.

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:18:17 -0700

ELDER: Lincoln Co NC. STATE RECORDS OF NORTH CAROLINA  P.718, First Federal Census, 1790--Continued.
 
LINCOLN COUNTY, NC.
 
Wn, ELDER 1 white male 16 years or upward Two (2) free white females including heads of families.  This is the Wm. Elder born in Lincoln Co NC and I do believe he was the William ELDER who was the Rev War soldier and the father of David Elder and the female daughter above (or so some of us think she was his daughter)aebp
 
Mary ELDERS ___İ1 free white males under sixteen years of age. One (1) free white females including heads of household.
 
THE STATE RECORDS OF NORTH CAROLINA  p.1054, 10th Regiment.
 
ELDER, Wm., pt. COMPANIES Carter's Dates of Commission and enlistment, 1 May 1781-Periods of service: 12 mos. Occurrences: Time out 1 Octo, '82.
 
This would indicate if it was the same man he did not marry Rebecca Cates (1803) for 22 years from the time he enlisted.  Rebecca Cates was very young; 42 years before he died in 1823 and probably 18 to 20 when he enlisted!  The Tenn. William Elder appears to have been a much younger man with brother andİa sister near his age.  Good night, Ann Elder-Brooks Poe

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Georgia Elders/Illinois Elders

From: Lelder213@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:27:54 EDT

Hi everyone,
Hearing about the Georgia Elders reminded me about a little cemetery we ran 
across near Kinmundy, Ill.  We were looking for an old cemetery that may have 
had Crutchfields buried there.  We stopped and asked some folks if they knew 
of an old cemetery around there and they asked if we were looking for the 
Elder Cemetery.  Well, we weren't, but since we were 'Elders' we decided to 
investigate.  It was quite a large cemetery, but the only Elders we found 
were as follows.  Hope this helps someone out there.
Rachel Byler Elder 1775-1876 age 101; Thomas Elder died 10-1-1873 or 75 (not 
sure) aged 81y ?m18d; Christaina dau of Thomas and Sarah Elder died Dec.11, 
1815 3yr8m14ds; and Martha Elder Bouseman 1820-1897 age 77.  These looked 
like they were the oldest graves in that cemetery.
Linda

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Misc. David Elder

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:36:48 -0700

ELDER, David - Born Lincoln Co NC.  Other sources attempted to locate David ELDER, Fort Worth Public Library, Fort Worth TX 76102, Tel 817-970-7705 (this was 1986 it may have changed)ap.  Aug. 24, 1986. "We have no one on file working on the ELDER or HEDGECOKE families".  "I checked the A.I.S Fische (1790-1819) and found a William ELDER in Surry Co., NC.  The 1850 Texas Census index and fouhd no William ELDER, or any HEDGECOKE.  There is no ELDER listed in the REPUBLIC OF TEXAS POLL LIST OF 1846". It is signed and dated by two very nice librarians.  Rule that area out. aebp
 
ELDER, David - July 18, 1988-TENNESSEE STATE LIBRARY & ARCIVES, ATTN: Mrs. Nadine Schklar, Library Assistaant. I will make this short.  Two years ago I sent for Grant 24567 page 74 Sevier County, TN. Roll No. 82, Book 25; Grant No. 24566 page 710 Sevier County Tenn. Roll No. 82, Book No. 82. No # shown on back of the copy you sent, but it is Grant 24567 & Grant 24566 which the archives did send.  Worth (copy enclosed) claims"field notes" eixist.FROM: Mrs. S. "It would appear from your letter that you already have the certificates of survey for E. TN. grants as numbered above.  WE HAVE NO OTHER NOTES ON ANY GRANTS. The only descritpion should be the certificate of survey.  We will place the material you sent in our vertical files. Thank you, NS"   NO FIELD NOTES EXISTED AS RAY WORTH STATED. aebp.

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER, David

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:01:11 -0700

ELDER, David-I hope I am not getting on everyone's nerves, I have a lot of email on David ELDER, I asked these people to please join the Elder News. July 27, 1991 -
I contacted the Cherokee Historical Association:Re: a Will ELDER  and other Cherokees in "SEQUATCHIE," By J. Leonard Raulston and James W. Livingood, Chapter 5, p.56, 4th printing December, 1980. University of Tennessee Press. This was not "my" William ELDER son of Samuel Elder the dates were wrong.  I do no know who this "WILL ELDER" was. aebp  I have the two Grants which I did mentioned, no David ELDER.  October 27, 1986-Shreve Memorial Library, Shreveport, LA., Genealogy/Louisiana Collection. The lady who placed the article by Ray S. Worth along with the FGS in McClung Collection, Knoxville, TN. was from LA.  I reached her once and she only wrote that "there must have been two William Elder's, names of "my William Elder" "not mine".  I tried to get her to correspond to help resolve this, she would not reply.  Although she moved, one of the libraries gave me the address and she was "still researching" according to the Shreve Memorial Library. All these libraries, archives have been super.  I felt the lady who put this material at McClung in Knoxville could have given more than the answer "must have been two William Elder's".  Only one William ELDER.İaebp

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER, David

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:34:04 -0700

ELDER, David - I read the whole 1850 Macon Co NC census.İ"Benjamin Hyde Jr." and wife Cynthia had eleven children living at home then.  Minter Hedgecock and wife Tilithia (ELDER)ap had four children living at home and a young man living with them, Thomas H. PAUL..  This is the census when Telithia gives her place of birth as GA. and Minter Hedgecoke/Hedgecock gives Rutherford Co NC.  Virginia Knight Nelson in her book, FAMILIES NAMED ELDER IN EAST TENNESSEE, 1986,İVirginia addresses "DAVID ELDER 1794 - aft. 1855)" page 109. Vriginia says little more.  The following may help to make peace or bring calm.  "David Elder (b. ca 1794, Lincoln Co., NC.) was a pioneer Baptist preacher in Western North Carolina, East Tennessee and Eastern Texas.(Southern Historical Research magazine, Vol. 1, Nov. 1936) I have never found David anywhere in E. Tenn. preaching.  I have found "his first church" at the foot of the Smoky Mountains not in them but on the Carolina side., his first church, 1934.aebp.  He was perhaps the son of William ELDER who is listed on page 115 of the 1790 census for Lincoln County, Morgan District, North Carolina.  David was probably a descendant of one of the ELDER'S mentioned in records of old Tryon (later Lincoln) County, North Carolina, in the 1770's. See page 111 ( I will copy this page and snail mail it to those whose ancestor was David ELDER. Virginia has the same information on the John Lee Elder born August 14, 1822.  David ELDER "father named William ELDER has never been found on a tax list, deeds, county court minutes etc. I have the book about the church in which David Elder was the first "Preacher".  He was not there long, but it a lovely little church, no longer in use but well cared for.İI want to give some of that information but not tonight.  I hope that David ELDER'S descendants find some help in these postings.  I get so much mail concerning them, which I just do not have the time to answer each one.  We also have a "fixed attitude that the William ELDER who died 1823 was the William ELDER who is said to have died 1818 in or near the town of Dandridge.  That is unfortunate the article was ever printed,İEveryone have a great weekend, aebp

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Misc. David Elder

From: Rlaneb1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:49:26 EDT

Hello, 
 The following information is from the Internet site for Illinois land 
transactions. Many Elder family moved from NC to Illinois around 1835. Many 
of them were ministers. One of my ancestors was a William Elder. He had (3) 
wives I'm told. One of them was Mary Stinson. One of William and Mary Stinson 
Elder's son was named Elam. Many of the descendants moved on to Wisconsin. I 
hope this helps someone.

R.Bangsund
rlaneb1@aol.com


                Gopher directory at uicvm1.cc.uic.edu
                                ELDER ALFRED R              June 28, 1831     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER BENJAMIN              Feb. 15, 1854     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER DAVID A               March 31, 1871    
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER DAVID D               Nov. 23, 1835     
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER DAVID D               Nov. 23, 1835     
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER DIDAMA                June 13, 1845     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER DIDAMA                Jan. 28, 1845     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER ELEANOR               June 11, 1836     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER ELENOR                July 25, 1835     
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER ELLANOR               July 13, 1835     
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER ELLANOR               July 15, 1835     
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER ELLANOR               April 29, 1835    
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER FILSEN                June 30, 1868     
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER FILSEN                June 25, 1868     
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER FILSON                Nov. 19, 1870     
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER GEORGE                Dec. 31, 1853     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER GEORGE                Dec. 31, 1853     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER GEORGE                Dec. 31, 1853     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER HUGH M                Nov. 13, 1832     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER HUGH M                Oct. 1, 1832      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER HUGH M                Dec. 9, 1836      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER HUGH M                Sept. 6, 1836     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER IRWIN                 Sept. 22, 1863    
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER ISAAC R               Aug. 3, 1853      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 June 12, 1835     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 March 30, 1853    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 May 24, 1831      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 Oct. 6, 1848      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 Nov. 13, 1848     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 Nov. 24, 1849     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 Aug. 10, 1835     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 Sept. 2, 1850     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 April 20, 1836    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 July 23, 1833     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 Dec. 7, 1833      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 Dec. 13, 1841     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 March 30, 1844    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 May 10, 1841      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 May 6, 1841       
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 Dec. 9, 1852      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 July 1, 1839      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES                 Feb. 18, 1839     
School       (SC)
                                ELDER JAMES                 Aug. 22, 1861     
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER JAMES                 Sept. 21, 1861    
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER JAMES A               April 12, 1875    
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER JAMES D               Aug. 14, 1849     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES D               Nov. 27, 1837     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES D               July 27, 1841     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JAMES M               June 7, 1836      
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER JARVUS                Oct. 16, 1834     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOHN                  June 2, 1845      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOHN                  Feb. 19, 1836     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOHN                  April 26, 1852    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOHN                  March 8, 1836     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOHN                  Nov. 2, 1835      
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER JOHN                  Nov. 2, 1835      
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER JOHN                  Oct. 1, 1833      
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER JOHN                  Oct. 1, 1832      
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER JOHN                  Oct. 1, 1833      
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER JOHN                  Oct. 1, 1832      
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER JOHN                  Nov. 20, 1854     
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER JOHN                  Jan. 1, 1832      
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER JOHN                  June 2, 1845      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOHN B                Nov. 20, 1850     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOHN B                Aug. 27, 1851     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOHN B                Jan. 4, 1853      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOHN B                Jan. 4, 1853      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOHN B                Nov. 18, 1862     
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER JOHN B                Jan. 20, 1863     
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER JOHN B                April 30, 1870    
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER JOHN L                Oct. 20, 1852     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOHN L                Sept. 7, 1852     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOSEPH                Sept. 7, 1852     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOSEPH                Sept. 7, 1852     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER JOSEPH                Jan. 5, 1842      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER MARGARET              June 11, 1836     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER MARGARET              Oct. 5, 1836      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER MATHEW                Dec. 2, 1826      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER NANCY                 July 26, 1837     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER ROBERT                Aug. 21, 1847     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER ROBERT                Aug. 21, 1847     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER ROBERT                April 25, 1839    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER ROBERT                Nov. 16, 1841     
Canal        (CN)
                                ELDER ROBERT                Nov. 16, 1841     
Canal        (CN)
                                ELDER ROBERT                Nov. 16, 1841     
Canal        (CN)
                                ELDER ROBERT                Nov. 16, 1841     
Canal        (CN)
                                ELDER ROBERT B              Jan. 25, 1853     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER ROBERT B              Jan. 17, 1853     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER ROBERT B              Jan. 25, 1853     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER ROBERT W              Dec. 10, 1852     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER ROBERT W              Dec. 10, 1852     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER ROBERT W              Oct. 20, 1852     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER ROBERT W              Oct. 20, 1852     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 20, 1833     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                Jan. 12, 1839     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                Aug. 10, 1835     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                July 20, 1836     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                March 26, 1833    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                March 26, 1833    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                July 14, 1835     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                Oct. 10, 1834     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                July 14, 1835     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                Sept. 8, 1835     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                June 4, 1836      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 11, 1837     
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                March 2, 1830     
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                March 2, 1830     
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                March 2, 1830     
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                July 27, 1829     
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 27, 1839     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 27, 1839     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 27, 1839     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 13, 1836     
School       (SC)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 13, 1836     
School       (SC)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                March 2, 1830     
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER SAMUEL                July 14, 1829     
Mineral      (SL)
                                ELDER SAMUEL C              Sept. 13, 1839    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL C              Sept. 13, 1839    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SAMUEL C              Sept. 13, 1839    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SIMON W               Sept. 20, 1852    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SIMON W               Jan. 6, 1844      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SIMON W               Jan. 12, 1853     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SIMON W               Jan. 12, 1853     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER SUSANNAH              Nov. 24, 1837     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER THOMAS                Nov. 18, 1842     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER THOMAS                May 30, 1857      
School       (SC)
                                ELDER THOMAS                May 30, 1857      
School       (SC)
                                ELDER TURNER                April 8, 1839     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WESLEY                Sept. 2, 1850     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILEY                 Sept. 8, 1847     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM               April 20, 1836    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM               Feb. 2, 1837      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM               Feb. 14, 1844     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM               Feb. 1, 1851      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM               Feb. 1, 1851      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM               Feb. 2, 1837      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM               April 3, 1854     
Wetlands     (SW)
                                ELDER WILLIAM               March 29, 1854    
Wetlands     (SW)
                                ELDER WILLIAM               March 27, 1854    
Wetlands     (SW)
                                ELDER WILLIAM B             Feb. 23, 1850     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM G             May 6, 1841       
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM G             May 6, 1841       
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM G             April 15, 1850    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             Jan. 5, 1853      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             Jan. 4, 1853      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             Jan. 15, 1853     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             Jan. 7, 1853      
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM M             Jan. 15, 1853     
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIAM W             April 29, 1871    
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER WILLIAM W             June 30, 1870     
Railroad     (RR)
                                ELDER WILLIS                March 12, 1853    
Federal sale (FD)
                                ELDER WILLIS                March 12, 1853    
Federal sale (FD)

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Misc. David Elder

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:19:24 -0700

Hi R. Bangsbund,

Some of the people listed here are the sons of William & Rececca (Cates)
ELDER). The children who went to IL. from Jefferson and Sevier Counties were
William's children.  Unless some of Robert's went.  If I want to see these
documents what would the procedure be.  I have a new paper article somewhere
about what you just listed but not nearly as long.  I know that these Elder
"boys" and it appears the wife of James Elder had land also.

There is one David in our group, he was the son of Samuel & Pheobe
(Clinkenbeard) ELDER (Samuel was son of Samuel & Hannah ELDER  nd the uncle
to the Daivd Elder who married first I think it was Sangammon.  His first
wife died and he eventually is found in Moultrie Co IL and does marry a
second time.  I have that information, it is the explaining that is so
confusing.

I would have to examine the the David Elder's to know if they were ours.
David is not a Elder name for us. We did have at least one.  Didama Elder
was Didama French Elder wife of James Elder son of William Elder.  I think
Eleanor must be a Penn. Elder? George not ours but oh boy Hugh M. (Martin)
Elder is William ELDERS son.  I would be willing to say that the James Elder
was the son of William Elder and husband of Didama French.  They lived in
Sullivan, Moultrie Co, IL. I do not know about these with the initials. I
wonder about some of these Johh Elder's, who was the son of Samuel & Hannah
Elder.  I was under the impression John did not leave TN., but we have found
very little information on him. Margaret Elder was married to one of William
Elders sons. Samuel Elder did have land from the gov't; Samuel Elder died
1841 at age 41 or 42.  Most the these Elder's died young.

Somewhere I have information on Mary Stinson, for some reason I thought that
family had been resolved.  Mary Stinson married on of the PA. ELDER'S?  Mary
had a sister?  From my tired brain.  I seem to have the name Filson roaming
through my head?

You certainly did a lot of work and I am sure it will help some of us.  If
we all get moving maybe we will warm up again and get some more information
going.  Thank you, A. Poe
----- Original Message -----
From: <Rlaneb1@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>; <Rlaneb1@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Misc. David Elder


> Hello,
>  The following information is from the Internet site for Illinois land
> transactions. Many Elder family moved from NC to Illinois around 1835.
Many
> of them were ministers. One of my ancestors was a William Elder. He had
(3)
> wives I'm told. One of them was Mary Stinson. One of William and Mary
Stinson
> Elder's son was named Elam. Many of the descendants moved on to Wisconsin.
I
> hope this helps someone.
>
> R.Bangsund
> rlaneb1@aol.com
>
>
>                 Gopher directory at uicvm1.cc.uic.edu
>                                 ELDER ALFRED R              June 28, 1831
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER BENJAMIN              Feb. 15, 1854
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER DAVID A               March 31, 1871
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER DAVID D               Nov. 23, 1835
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER DAVID D               Nov. 23, 1835
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER DIDAMA                June 13, 1845
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER DIDAMA                Jan. 28, 1845
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER ELEANOR               June 11, 1836
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER ELENOR                July 25, 1835
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER ELLANOR               July 13, 1835
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER ELLANOR               July 15, 1835
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER ELLANOR               April 29, 1835
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER FILSEN                June 30, 1868
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER FILSEN                June 25, 1868
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER FILSON                Nov. 19, 1870
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER GEORGE                Dec. 31, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER GEORGE                Dec. 31, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER GEORGE                Dec. 31, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER HUGH M                Nov. 13, 1832
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER HUGH M                Oct. 1, 1832
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER HUGH M                Dec. 9, 1836
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER HUGH M                Sept. 6, 1836
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER IRWIN                 Sept. 22, 1863
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER ISAAC R               Aug. 3, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 June 12, 1835
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 March 30, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 May 24, 1831
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 Oct. 6, 1848
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 Nov. 13, 1848
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 Nov. 24, 1849
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 Aug. 10, 1835
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 Sept. 2, 1850
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 April 20, 1836
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 July 23, 1833
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 Dec. 7, 1833
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 Dec. 13, 1841
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 March 30, 1844
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 May 10, 1841
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 May 6, 1841
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 Dec. 9, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 July 1, 1839
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 Feb. 18, 1839
> School       (SC)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 Aug. 22, 1861
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER JAMES                 Sept. 21, 1861
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER JAMES A               April 12, 1875
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER JAMES D               Aug. 14, 1849
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES D               Nov. 27, 1837
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES D               July 27, 1841
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JAMES M               June 7, 1836
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER JARVUS                Oct. 16, 1834
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  June 2, 1845
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  Feb. 19, 1836
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  April 26, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  March 8, 1836
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  Nov. 2, 1835
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  Nov. 2, 1835
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  Oct. 1, 1833
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  Oct. 1, 1832
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  Oct. 1, 1833
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  Oct. 1, 1832
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  Nov. 20, 1854
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  Jan. 1, 1832
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER JOHN                  June 2, 1845
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOHN B                Nov. 20, 1850
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOHN B                Aug. 27, 1851
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOHN B                Jan. 4, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOHN B                Jan. 4, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOHN B                Nov. 18, 1862
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER JOHN B                Jan. 20, 1863
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER JOHN B                April 30, 1870
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER JOHN L                Oct. 20, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOHN L                Sept. 7, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOSEPH                Sept. 7, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOSEPH                Sept. 7, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER JOSEPH                Jan. 5, 1842
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER MARGARET              June 11, 1836
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER MARGARET              Oct. 5, 1836
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER MATHEW                Dec. 2, 1826
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER NANCY                 July 26, 1837
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT                Aug. 21, 1847
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT                Aug. 21, 1847
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT                April 25, 1839
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT                Nov. 16, 1841
> Canal        (CN)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT                Nov. 16, 1841
> Canal        (CN)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT                Nov. 16, 1841
> Canal        (CN)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT                Nov. 16, 1841
> Canal        (CN)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT B              Jan. 25, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT B              Jan. 17, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT B              Jan. 25, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT W              Dec. 10, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT W              Dec. 10, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT W              Oct. 20, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER ROBERT W              Oct. 20, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 20, 1833
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                Jan. 12, 1839
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                Aug. 10, 1835
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                July 20, 1836
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                March 26, 1833
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                March 26, 1833
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                July 14, 1835
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                Oct. 10, 1834
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                July 14, 1835
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                Sept. 8, 1835
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                June 4, 1836
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 11, 1837
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                March 2, 1830
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                March 2, 1830
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                March 2, 1830
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                July 27, 1829
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 27, 1839
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 27, 1839
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 27, 1839
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 13, 1836
> School       (SC)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                Feb. 13, 1836
> School       (SC)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                March 2, 1830
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL                July 14, 1829
> Mineral      (SL)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL C              Sept. 13, 1839
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL C              Sept. 13, 1839
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SAMUEL C              Sept. 13, 1839
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SIMON W               Sept. 20, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SIMON W               Jan. 6, 1844
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SIMON W               Jan. 12, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SIMON W               Jan. 12, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER SUSANNAH              Nov. 24, 1837
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER THOMAS                Nov. 18, 1842
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER THOMAS                May 30, 1857
> School       (SC)
>                                 ELDER THOMAS                May 30, 1857
> School       (SC)
>                                 ELDER TURNER                April 8, 1839
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WESLEY                Sept. 2, 1850
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILEY                 Sept. 8, 1847
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM               April 20, 1836
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM               Feb. 2, 1837
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM               Feb. 14, 1844
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM               Feb. 1, 1851
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM               Feb. 1, 1851
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM               Feb. 2, 1837
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM               April 3, 1854
> Wetlands     (SW)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM               March 29, 1854
> Wetlands     (SW)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM               March 27, 1854
> Wetlands     (SW)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM B             Feb. 23, 1850
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM G             May 6, 1841
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM G             May 6, 1841
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM G             April 15, 1850
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             May 27, 1852
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             Jan. 5, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             Jan. 4, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             Jan. 15, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             Jan. 7, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM M             Jan. 15, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM W             April 29, 1871
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER WILLIAM W             June 30, 1870
> Railroad     (RR)
>                                 ELDER WILLIS                March 12, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>                                 ELDER WILLIS                March 12, 1853
> Federal sale (FD)
>
>
>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder's from SC & NC

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:12:33 -0700

ELDER'S: Remember why this was started was due to the continuous "mix up" of the ELDERS from SC, NC & TN.  Someone had asked before to have the deeds posted and we are getting there.  "George Story's will, dated March 11, 1800, Spartanburg County, bequeathed "to my daughter Margaret Elder, negro girl Sall" (Brent H. Holcomb, Spartanburg County, South Carolina, Will Abstracts, 1787-1840 (1983),p.102)
 
"The ELDERS had heard of the hostility of the Indians, so they decided to remain for a while at the Campbell's Station settlement in west Knox County, where there was a fort for their protection.  A few miles away at Cavett's Station a number of settlers had been massacred by a Cherokee war party in the fall of 1793." VKN
 
"After a time the ELDERS in Knox County made plans to move on to Kentucky by way of the Tennessee River. "The boat which they built for the trip was small and crowded.  They would land at night and camp on shore.  At Muscle Shoals where the big power plant is built, the river makes a horseshoe bend.  As they ran the rapids the centrifugal force tended to throw the boat against the rock shore on the outer curve.  The men turned to bow of the boat toward midstream and rowed with all their might to keep off the rocks.  They descended the thirty miles rapids in thirty minutes.  The encyclopedia says the fall is 134 feet in 37 miles."*
 
NOTE: Although the Spartanburg County Elders named above may have been related to Peter and Ephraim Elder who were also in early Spartanburg County, South Carolina, nothing which showed a connection was found in extant records."VKN
 
"By 1800 the families of John and William ELDER were living in Livingston County, Kentucky.  John Elder perhaps died before 1800; the Livingston County, Kentucky tax list includes George, James, Mary, Robert and William Elder".VKN " Not the William Elder who resided in Jefferson Co TN.aebp.  Mary was perhaps the widow of John, and James and Robert are thought to have been sons of John.  James ELDER (1781-1847) is buried in Livingston Cemetery (now Caldwell County, Kentucky). VKN & aebp
__________________________________________________________________________________
"John's daughter Mary ELDER married a WHEELER.  She was thirteen years old when her parents left South Carolina."  Talitha (ELDER) Aaron, "Elder (no date about 1850) Her book is primarily about her ancestors Samuel ELDER (b.1790), Spartanburg Co., South Carolina) in 1808  in South Carolina and later migrated to Illinois, where he was the first county judge of Saline County.  Talitha (ELDER) Aaron (b. 1876 taught school in Eldorado, Illinois, for many years." vkn  Talitha (ELDER) Aaron had very few sources. aebp.
____________________________________________________________________________________
The 1810 census for Livingston County, Kentucky, includes Peggy ELDER, over 45, and her family and one slave.  Petty Elder may have been the widow of William ELDER and the daughter of George Story.  Two of William Elder's daughters were married in Knox County; Mary to George Mayes and Hannah to David Hill.  William Elder's youngest son, Samuel C., settled in Gallatin County, Illinois.  According to that county's census, Samuel C. ELDER was age 59 in 1850". most of the above contributed by vkn and little by aebp  Goodnight, Ann
 

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:52:07 -0700

I know some of these Elder's are not of interest to everyone but they may help someone that is already on the elder-news.  ELDER, JOHN W. 1853 - 1928 - John W. ELDER (b. Aug 2, 1853, Trenton, Gibson Co.; d. May 12, 1928, Chattanooga, (Hamilton Co.) was the son of Henry L. and Harriet (Houston) ELDER of Trenton, Tennessee.  John W. was probably a first cousin of Leander Melville ELDER.  In 1876, John W. ELDER, an attorney, came to Chattanooga and for many years was engaged in the real estate business.  He was a steward in the Methodist Church. Married Rachel Isabella McMillen on May 18, 1881 (d. Nov. 22, 1931). No children. From Virginia K. Nelson's work.
 
ELDER, Joseph - who lived in Sullivan, the Blount County, Tennessee, was perhaps the Joseph Elder who married Elizabeth Stoark (Stark?)....I think her name was Elizabeth STOARCH it could have been Stark? they were married Aug 6, 1785 by Thomas Woolsey(VIRGINIA COLONIAL ABSTRACT VOL. 34 WASHINGTON COUNTY REGISTER 1782İ- 1820, Abstracted by Beverley Fleet, 1985.)(aebp)  Whether Joseph was related to the Matthew ELDER family of Washington County is not known.İ
 
From the State of Tennessee, Joseph ELDER received two Sullivan County land grants. No. 1573 for 100 acres in 1810 and No. 2062 for 100 acres in 1811.  November 1812 Joseph ELDER of Blount County sold the land to William Thompson of Sullivan County (Deed Bk.6:273). [NOTE: All of the early Sullivan County records except the deed books were destroyed during the Civil War.]VKNİ These grants may be obtained from Tenn. State Library & Archives. aebp
 
Recorded in Blount County Court minutes on March 31 1810 is the suit of William Snider against Joseph ELDER; the defendant was ordered to pay the costs and the plaintiff relinquished any further claim.  Perhaps a daughter of Joseph ELDER was Susan ELDER who was licensed to Marry Jacob SNIDER on January 25, 1816 in Blount County.  It is interesting to note that Andrew ELDER which will be covered later also married a Snider. Andrew Elder was also from VA lived in Sullivan Co., TN. before he settled in Grainger Co TN and married a Snider. aebp
 

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: Kayfleming@aol.com
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:14:50 EDT

IU'd sure like to see more in the ELDER news about the family of Joseph Elder 
and Elizabeth STOARK like appeared yesterday.  I knew there was a time they 
were in Tennesse but not where and when.  Mention was made of Susan ELDER 
licensed to marry Jacob SNIDER in 1816 (Blount county, Tn) and Andrew ELDER 
also marrying a SNIDER.  Were they  not brother and sister?
   Kay

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:38:25 -0700date, the well does not mention anyone but be "most beloved Elizabeth". I

    Kay, I have the two grants which I have not found to date. The Elder's
in East TN, or better said, the Samuel Elder and Hannah _____________ are
"our" Elder's.  They spread out, to Meigs Co., TN. our Andrew went to
Madison Co., because of the Gov't. land, sold it and moved to Limestone Co
AL where he died (young) he married Elizabeth Burleston.  Jacob went to KY
which we wonder about as we think there is some connection between the
Matthew Elder family and the Elder family "sitting in" Jefferson & Sevier
Co's.  Kay we have an Andrew ELDER who finally settled in Grainger Co., TN.,
his Rev war application is almost identical to that of the Andrew Elder son
of Matthew Elder.  Both having lived the same places.  After the Rev. Andrew
went home and then to Sullivan Co., and then to Grainger Co., TN. where he
married a Snider.  Some of us on the Samuel & Hannah Elder line believe the
Andrew in Grainger Co and the Andrew in KY  are mixed up. I do not think the
Andrew Elder in KY is the Andrew son of Matthew Elder (note ages).  Some of
us do believe that the Andrew in Grainger Co., was the son of  Matthew who
died in Washington Co VA.  Do you know about what age your Joseph Elder was?
I doubt that Andrew had a child (who was not already grown and married.
That is a very good lead to check on.Andrew was well up in years when he
came to Grainger Co and I think he died 1833, I do  have his will and actual
date, the well does not mention anyone but be "most beloved Elizabeth".  I
do think she was a second wife and Andrew was married before the Rev war, so
many years passed we do not know who his children were. Could Joseph have
been a son of Andrew Elder? We do know the names of Matthew Elder's
children, I have found Matthew and Andrew both owning land prior to the Rev
War, which leads me to believe that Andrew of Grainger was the eldest son of
Matthew.  He could have been a brother but the age difference would have
been immense.  If I find more will let you know.  I have decided to use the
Elder-News and not as much personal email.  I get a lot of mail and
something's can be answered swiftly here, such as David Elder.  Ann Poe

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To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER


> IU'd sure like to see more in the ELDER news about the family of Joseph
Elder
> and Elizabeth STOARK like appeared yesterday.  I knew there was a time
they
> were in Tennesse but not where and when.  Mention was made of Susan ELDER
> licensed to marry Jacob SNIDER in 1816 (Blount county, Tn) and Andrew
ELDER
> also marrying a SNIDER.  Were they  not brother and sister?
>    Kay
>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:39:28 -0700

ELDER, William ca. 1784 - 1860 - "William Elder (b. ca. 1784, N.C.) came to Tennessee by 1814.  He had married Martha MOORE in 1810 in Randolph County, NC.  In the year of1812 William ELDER enlisted in 1814 and served in Capt. David William's Company of Tennessee Militia.  William ELDER, who was in Overton County, Tennessee, by 1830, died in 1869 in Overton County, where his widow was residing in 1871. (Reference: Pension application No. WO 4028, WC 3053, National Archives){Note:  This is the only War  of 1812 pension application found in the National Archives for anyone of the ELDER name from Tennessee.  In 1830 Overton County was considered to be in East Tennessee; however, it is now a part of Middle Tennessee.) Virginia Knight Nelson by aebp.
 
ELDER, Jacob before 1830? This work is by VKN unless otherwise initialed.  Jacob Elder may be confused with Jacob ELDER some of Samuel ELDER.  For that reason notes on Jacob ELLER of Jefferson County, Tennessee, and his family are included.  Jacob Eller first appears in the Jefferson County tax records in 1825.  He was listed as "no poll", which indicates that he was then fifty years of age or older.  Jacob is not in the 1830 Tennessee census index.; he may have died before that time. VKN---Perhaps it was the son of the above Jacob ELLER but a family of that name is found on the 1850 Jefferson Co., Tennessee census.aebp  Jacob ELDER son of Samuel and Hannah ELDER was believed to have married an Elizabeth Winterbowers, Elizabeth Winterbowers married Jacob ELLER.  I was in Dandridge, TN. and spent hours going through the old bonds and I found Jacob ELLER to Elizabeth Winterbowers.  This Jacob ELLER must have been close to the same age as our Jacob ELDER.aebp---For further information on the name ELLER Mr. Robert W. Ramsey wrote CAROLINA CRADLE Settlement of the Northwest Carolina Frontier, 1747-1762.  Ramsey writes about the different settlers, which country etc.  The book is still available.  The name ELLER was German and usually pronounced as "Ohler", there was also a Jacob, Michael, Johann, Peter.  This book covers much more than the name ELLER.  It is helped with so many different families in in the same place as well as other areas.Ann Poe

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Andrew ELDER 1748-1834

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:14:48 -0700

ELDER, Andrew (Vrginia Knight Nelson has already compiled and abstracted much of this information, it would be much to long to try and handle on email. aebp
Andrew ELDER was born in 1748 in Chester County, Pennsylvania, and died May 30, 1834 in Grainger County, Tennessee. In his Revolutionary War pension application (No. R-3279, National Archives), Andrew said that he enlisted in 1776 in Botetourt County, Virginia, where he lived in the forks of the James River.  After the Revolution he moved to Washington Co., Virginia, then to Sullivan County, Tennessee, before settling in Grainger County.  In 1810 he owned 165 acres of land in Grainger County.  His will, dated August 28, `824, recorded November 4, 1834, gave to his wife Elizabeth, all his property including his slaves.  Witnesses to the will were Henry Hipshear, William Hayes and J. B, Bowen (Grainger Co., Loose Wills).
 
Andrew married Elizabeth Snider (or Snyder) b. ca. 1758, PA., on May 22, 1806, Grainger County. Elizabeth died after November 8, 1852 when she applied for a pension as the widow of a Revolutionary War soldier.  She was then a resident of Thorn Hill. Whether Andrew's marriage to Elizabeth was his first is not known; it appears they had no children.
 
Andrew was probably the son of Matthew Elder whose will, dated April 29, 1783, was probated in 1783 in Washington County, Virginia (Will Bk.1:70).  Matthew gave to his wife (not named) and his children a "piece of a plantation in Rockbridge" County, Virginia, and "the plantation I now live on," also a "Negroe boy named Jack" and a "Negroe child Pompey."
 
Matthew Elder's will names sons, Andrew, Robert, and James and daughters Agnes Robinson, Martha Bowls, Rebecka Elder, Sarah Elder, Jane Collier, Mary Snodgrass (Mary married William Snodgrass who served in the Tennessee House of Representatives, 1803-1805, from Sullivan County), and Elizabeth Robinson.  Matthew Elder evidently also had a son Matthew who died in the Amrican Revolution.  In Elizabeth Elder's pension application in 1852 she said that Andrew, her husband, had a brother Matthew who died while serving in the army and was buried at Basking Ridge , New Jersey about thirty miles from New York.  To be continued..Andrew Elder filed for his Rev. War pension prior to his death and it was denied and he did mention his brother Matthew who was killed.  Elizabeth filed after Matthew's death. aebp

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Subject: [Elder-News]: correction

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:17:47 -0700

 
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:elderbrooks@msn.com>Ann Poe
To: <mailto:elder-news@intrepid.net>elder-news@intrepid.net
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:39 PM
Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER

ELDER, William ca. 1784 - 1860 - "William Elder (b. ca. 1784, N.C.) came to Tennessee by 1814.  He had married Martha MOORE in 1810 in Randolph County, NC.  In the year of 1812 William ELDER enlisted in 1814 and served in Capt. David William's Company of Tennessee Militia.  William ELDER, who was in Overton County, Tennessee, by 1830, died in 1869 in Overton County, where his widow was residing in 1871. (Reference: Pension application No. WO 4028, WC 3053, National Archives){Note:  This is the only War  of 1812 pension application found in the National Archives for anyone of the ELDER name from Tennessee.  In 1830 Overton County was considered to be in East Tennessee; however, it is now a part of Middle Tennessee.) Virginia Knight Nelson by aebp.
 
ELDER, Jacob before 1830? This work is by VKN unless otherwise initialed.  Jacob Eller may be confused with Jacob ELDER son of Samuel ELDER.  For that reason notes on Jacob ELLER of Jefferson County, Tennessee, and his family are included.  Jacob Eller first appears in the Jefferson County tax records in 1825.  He was listed as "no poll", which indicates that he was then fifty years of age or older.  Jacob is not in the 1830 Tennessee census index.; he may have died before that time. VKN---Perhaps it was the son of the above Jacob ELLER but a family of that name is found on the 1850 Jefferson Co., Tennessee census.aebp  Jacob ELDER son of Samuel and Hannah ELDER was believed to have married an Elizabeth Winterbowers, Elizabeth Winterbowers married Jacob ELLER.  I was in Dandridge, TN. and spent hours going through the old bonds and I found Jacob ELLER to Elizabeth Winterbowers.  This Jacob ELLER must have been close to the same age as our Jacob ELDER.aebp---For further information on the name ELLER Mr. Robert W. Ramsey wrote CAROLINA CRADLE Settlement of the Northwest Carolina Frontier, 1747-1762.  Ramsey writes about the different settlers, which country etc.  The book is still available.  The name ELLER was German and usually pronounced as "Ohler", there was also a Jacob, Michael, Johann, Peter.  This book covers much more than the name ELLER.  It is helped with so many different families in in the same place as well as other areas.Ann Poe

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Andrew ELDER 1748-1834

From: JJSlaton@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:02:31 EDT

Hi Ann,
This Andrew Elder of TN sure presents  a mystery as most of the Elder 
descendents I have been in contact with say that Mathew's [died 1783] son 
Andrew went to Madison Co KY and died there.  I have copy of his will and 
record of his children and some descendents - all claiming that the KY Andrew 
is the son of Washington Co Va Mathew and brother to Robert and James who 
went from Washington co Va to lincoln Co KY.

This definitely needs some additional definitive research.  I corresponded 
with Virginia Hill some years ago and told her that the Andrew in her book 
[i.e. TN ndrew] was not the son of Mathew & Mary - now I wonder???????

I had hoped to go to KY for some research this coming week but will not be 
able to. Will plan to do so in near future. My oldest son lives in Lexington 
which is in county next to Madison County.  It's just a matter of finding 
time. I have gone back to teaching part time at a Sylvan Learning Center 
[Tues & Thurs evenings] so have to determine when I can get there when the 
court house is open. 

Hopefully these two Andrews of approximate age and migration paths from Pa to 
VA can be sorted out.

Talk to you later.
Joyce

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: Kayfleming@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:43:17 EDT

Ann,
  The Joseph Elder I have has dates 1749-1836 and his son Andrew was born 
supposedly in 1799 so he wouldn't be the one who served in the Rev. War.
  Kay

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: FernDoyle@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:53:16 EDT

I ordered a copy of the patent of the Rush County purchase  of Joseph Elder 
from GLO.  He is listed in the List of Original Land Owners.  

Certificate 5623
The United States of America
To all to whom these presents shall come, Greeting:
    Whereas  Joseph Elder of Rush County, Indiana has deposited in the 
General Land Office of the United States, a certificate of the Register of 
the Land Office at Indianapolis whereby it appears that full payment as been 
made by the said Joseph Elder according to the provisions of the Act of 
Congress of the 24th of April, 1820, entitled ìAn act making further 
provision for the sale of the Public Landsî, for the East half of the South 
East quarter of Section Seventeen in Township Thirteen North of range Nine 
East in the District of Lands offered for Sale at Indianopolis Indiana, 
containing Eighty ëAcres according to the official plat of the survey of the 
said Lands, returned to the General Land Office by the Surveyor General, 
which said tract has been purchased by the said Joseph Elder
Now Know Ye, That the United States of America, in consideration of the 
promises, and conformity with the several acts of Congress, in such case made 
and provided, have Given and Granted, and, by these presents do give and 
grant, unto the said Joseph Elder and to his heirs the said tract above 
described: To Have and to Hold the same, together with all the rights, 
privileges, immunities, and appurtances, of whatsoever nature, thereto 
belonging, unto the said Joseph Elder and his heirs and assigns, forever
                In testimony whereof, I, Andrew Jackson President of the 
United States of America, have caused these letters to be made Patent, and 
the seal of the General Land Office to be hereunto affixed.
                Given under my hand, at the City of Washington, the 
fourth day of April in the year of our Lord, one thousand eight hundred and 
twenty nine, and of the Independence of the United States  the fifty third.
        By the President, A. J.
        G. G. Commissioner of the General land Office
         
I also found the following on a film of Tennessee Land Records which I 
ordered at my local Family History Center.

                        Deed of Warranty
#273
Joseph Elder
to 
William Thompson
Date Nov. 10th 1812
Consideration: A valuable consideration
Amt of Land: Amt not stated
Location: Sullivan Co. Tennessee
Discription: A certain tract or parcel of land * acres be the same more or 
less said land lying and being in the aforesaid county of sullivan and on the 
waters of Reedy Creek along the line formerly John Thompsons and Pendletonís 
old Patent line.
Witnesses: John Sinclair, Amos Sinclair
Proved State of Tennessee, Sullivan Co. at February session 1813, the 
execution of the within deed was in open court proved by the oath of John 
Sinclair and Amos Sinclair, witnesses.
                        Test: Mattw Rhea C.S.C.

A member of the East Tennessee List sent me the following:

Reedy Creek rises northeast of Kingsport, flows into
Holston River near where I-181 crosses the Holston.
(Some of headwaters may be in VA.)

    Fern Doyle

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: Rlaneb1@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:51:39 EDT

Hello,

I am wondering if any other Elder lines are connected to the Freemasons or 
Masons. It seems one of my lines may have been. Thanks.

R.Bangsund
rlaneb1@aol.com

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:18:48 -0700

Fern, thank you, every bit of information helps someone close a "file", that
was interesting.
Ann
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To: <Kayfleming@aol.com>; <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER


> I ordered a copy of the patent of the Rush County purchase  of Joseph
Elder
> from GLO.  He is listed in the List of Original Land Owners.
>

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Andrew ELDER 1748-1834

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:36:44 -0700

    Hi all,

Joyce, Mary Lindsey Brosveen whose ancestors were Samuel & Hannah Elder
through their son Samuel who married Phoebe/Phebe Clinkenbeard.  I am not
sure how Mary is, I have not heard from her in a very long time?  Mary
traveled to these locations, spent several weeks each year at Salt Lake
City. "Ours" were not yet in Salt Lake City.  Mary and I both believe that
there was probably two men by the name of Matthew Elder!  We know when
Matthew died and when the Andrew of Grainger died, they could have been
brothers, I just do not know. Andrew was much older than the next sibling
which was your Robert Elder and Matthew is not listed in his father's will?
With all this "marvel of marvels" in front of us why can't we locate him?
Another clue is why did Jacob Elder son of Samuel & Hannah Elder move first
to Pulaski Co and then to Lincoln Co KY, where Robert, his wife, sister and
brother James were living.  I almost found something a few years ago.  Allan
in KY said he knew the connection and would get back to me.  At that time he
was doing some work for a lady who did not want the information shared.
Allan replied that he must have been mistaken! The age of Andrew in KY does
not seen to fit in.  I have both applications one that Andrew Elder
submitted and the one that his wife Elizabeth submitted.
Talk to you later, Ann.....................Would all you Elder's watching
have any information on this subject?  Thank you. aebp
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From: <JJSlaton@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Andrew ELDER 1748-1834


> Hi Ann,
> This Andrew Elder of TN sure presents  a mystery as most of the Elder
> descendents I have been in contact with say that Mathew's [died 1783] son
> Andrew went to Madison Co KY and died there.  I have copy of his will and
> record of his children and some descendents - all claiming that the KY
Andrew
> is the son of Washington Co Va Mathew and brother to Robert and James who
> went from Washington co Va to lincoln Co KY.
>
> This definitely needs some additional definitive research.  I corresponded
> with Virginia Hill some years ago and told her that the Andrew in her book
> [i.e. TN ndrew] was not the son of Mathew & Mary - now I wonder???????
>
> I had hoped to go to KY for some research this coming week but will not be
> able to. Will plan to do so in near future. My oldest son lives in
Lexington
> which is in county next to Madison County.  It's just a matter of finding
> time. I have gone back to teaching part time at a Sylvan Learning Center
> [Tues & Thurs evenings] so have to determine when I can get there when the
> court house is open.
>
> Hopefully these two Andrews of approximate age and migration paths from Pa
to
> VA can be sorted out.
>
> Talk to you later.
> Joyce
>
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Subject: [Elder-News]: Continuatuin if Andrew Ekder and it is short.

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:20:19 -0700

ELDER, Andrew - 1748-1834 -Robert Elder, son of Matthew who died in 1783. Robert was born in 1760 in York County, PA.  In 1796 he moved to Lincoln County, Kentucky where he died in 1839.  While living in Rockbridge County, Virginia, Robert ELDER served in the American Revolution; he was in the Battle of Kings Mountain in 1780 (pension application No. S-12865, National Archives).  Robert Elder was married about 1785 to Rebecca Robinson (b. Oct. 21, 1762, VA.;d.April 25, 1839 in KY).  Their children were Matthew*, Andrew, James, Mary, Robert (d. April 1, 1851); Married Jane ______).İRebecca, William, and Jane. VJN,  I do not recall Matthew being named in his fathers will?  I will have to check that again.  Matthew is said by Andrew Elder of Grainger Co., TN. Matthew his brother was killed during the Rev and buried in Baskin Ridge,NJ..aebp
 
James Elder, son of Matthew who died in 1783, married Sarah Rush on Dec. 5, 1797 Washington Co., VA.  VKN  I would have to check but I am almost sure James married (2) Sarah Rush. aebp
 

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Subject: RE: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "Elder, Darrell L." <ELDERD@rjrt.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 08:33:37 -0400

As a Freemason/Mason myself, I also would be interested in that info.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Rlaneb1@aol.com [SMTP:Rlaneb1@aol.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:52 PM
> To:	elder-news@intrepid.net
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> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am wondering if any other Elder lines are connected to the Freemasons or 
> Masons. It seems one of my lines may have been. Thanks.
> 
> R.Bangsund
> rlaneb1@aol.com

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "J. B. Hitt, II ." <jbhitt@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:32:55 -0400

I have two great uncle Elders who were members of Fortitude Lodge # 47 in
LaGrange Ky.  While my name is not Elder, I am the direct descendent of J.
B. Elder b c 1849 in Clinton Co. Ky and I am a member of many organizations
of Freemasons.  I have not yet found J. B. Elder's membership, but only
because I haven't looked.  It seems highly likely he belonged to the same
Lodge that his sons belonged to.  Let me know what else you would like to
know.  JB
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From: Rlaneb1@aol.com <Rlaneb1@aol.com>
To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER


>Hello,
>
>I am wondering if any other Elder lines are connected to the Freemasons or
>Masons. It seems one of my lines may have been. Thanks.
>
>R.Bangsund
>rlaneb1@aol.com
>

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Subject: RE: [Elder-News]: Elder's from SC & NC

From: Dan Elder <dan.elder@fbcvidalia.org>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:55:26 -0400

Any Janes?  Any Janes??  I think Jane was the widow matriarch of the Elder family in Warren County in 1798.  I'm trying to link a husband to her.

Ann, your story here is beginning to roughly follow a very vague family story about the Grayson County Elders at one time being wealthy land owners in VA (although Thomas is listed as PA birth in 1850 Grayson County census) and that somehow they came through Cades Cove TN on their way to KY.  I'm wondering if there's a standard migration route here that Elder kin took here to get to TN and southern KY.  Many of the names you list closely parallel those repeated in most of my Elder ancestors.  We didn't have any Davids or Ephriams (after 1798, at least) that characterizes the VA crowd, but we did have plenty of Williams, Roberts, Johns and Thomas's.

My story on our web page may trigger something in your memory or research.  What are your thoughts?

						:-)

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From: 	Ann Poe[SMTP:elderbrooks@msn.com]
Sent: 	Monday, August 30, 1999 1:12 AM
To: 	elder-news@intrepid.net
Subject: 	[Elder-News]: Elder's from SC & NC

<<File: ATT00009.html>>
ELDER'S: Remember why this was started was due to the continuous "mix up" of the ELDERS from SC, NC & TN.  Someone had asked before to have the deeds posted and we are getting there.  "George Story's will, dated March 11, 1800, Spartanburg County, bequeathed "to my daughter Margaret Elder, negro girl Sall" (Brent H. Holcomb, Spartanburg County, South Carolina, Will Abstracts, 1787-1840 (1983),p.102)

"The ELDERS had heard of the hostility of the Indians, so they decided to remain for a while at the Campbell's Station settlement in west Knox County, where there was a fort for their protection.  A few miles away at Cavett's Station a number of settlers had been massacred by a Cherokee war party in the fall of 1793." VKN

"After a time the ELDERS in Knox County made plans to move on to Kentucky by way of the Tennessee River. "The boat which they built for the trip was small and crowded.  They would land at night and camp on shore.  At Muscle Shoals where the big power plant is built, the river makes a horseshoe bend.  As they ran the rapids the centrifugal force tended to throw the boat against the rock shore on the outer curve.  The men turned to bow of the boat toward midstream and rowed with all their might to keep off the rocks.  They descended the thirty miles rapids in thirty minutes.  The encyclopedia says the fall is 134 feet in 37 miles."*

NOTE: Although the Spartanburg County Elders named above may have been related to Peter and Ephraim Elder who were also in early Spartanburg County, South Carolina, nothing which showed a connection was found in extant records."VKN

"By 1800 the families of John and William ELDER were living in Livingston County, Kentucky.  John Elder perhaps died before 1800; the Livingston County, Kentucky tax list includes George, James, Mary, Robert and William Elder".VKN  " Not the William Elder who resided in Jefferson Co TN.aebp.  Mary was perhaps the widow of John, and James and Robert are thought to have been sons of John.  James ELDER (1781-1847) is buried in Livingston Cemetery (now Caldwell County, Kentucky). VKN & aebp
__________________________________________________________________________________
"John's daughter Mary ELDER married a WHEELER.  She was thirteen years old when her parents left South Carolina."  Talitha (ELDER) Aaron, "Elder (no date about 1850) Her book is primarily about her ancestors Samuel ELDER (b.1790), Spartanburg Co., South Carolina) in 1808  in South Carolina and later migrated to Illinois, where he was the first county judge of Saline County.  Talitha (ELDER) Aaron (b. 1876 taught school in Eldorado, Illinois, for many years." vkn  Talitha (ELDER) Aaron had very few sources. aebp.
____________________________________________________________________________________
The 1810 census for Livingston County, Kentucky, includes Peggy ELDER, over 45, and her family and one slave.  Petty Elder may have been the widow of William ELDER and the daughter of George Story.  Two of William Elder's daughters were married in Knox County; Mary to George Mayes and Hannah to David Hill.  William Elder's youngest son, Samuel C., settled in Gallatin County, Illinois.  According to that county's census, Samuel C. ELDER was age 59 in 1850". most of the above contributed by vkn and little by aebp  Goodnight, Ann

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Subject: RE: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: Dan Elder <dan.elder@fbcvidalia.org>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:03:04 -0400

Ann, this story is another close hit on the Grayson County KY branch.  The Elder-Anderson-Woosley cemetery at Caneyville KY (In Grayson County) is chock full of WOOSLEYs.  I know there is a two letter transposition between the Woosleys in the cemetery and the Woolsey minister you mention.  Still, where in VA did this Woolsey live?  Was this name a common name in that area before 1800?  Is either of these spellings common in PA before 1800?

The more I sift for clues, the more I find that maybe these families knew each other before they arrived in KY.  Perhaps I'm finally getting close to a lead.			:-)
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From: 	Ann Poe[SMTP:elderbrooks@msn.com]
Sent: 	Tuesday, August 31, 1999 12:52 AM
To: 	elder-news@intrepid.net
Subject: 	[Elder-News]: ELDER

<<File: ATT00010.html>>
I know some of these Elder's are not of interest to everyone but they may help someone that is already on the elder-news.  ELDER, JOHN W. 1853 - 1928 - John W. ELDER (b. Aug 2, 1853, Trenton, Gibson Co.; d. May 12, 1928, Chattanooga, (Hamilton Co.) was the son of Henry L. and Harriet (Houston) ELDER of Trenton, Tennessee.  John W. was probably a first cousin of Leander Melville ELDER.  In 1876, John W. ELDER, an attorney, came to Chattanooga and for many years was engaged in the real estate business.  He was a steward in the Methodist Church. Married Rachel Isabella McMillen on May 18, 1881 (d. Nov. 22, 1931). No children. From Virginia K. Nelson's work.

ELDER, Joseph - who lived in Sullivan, the Blount County, Tennessee, was perhaps the Joseph Elder who married Elizabeth Stoark (Stark?)....I think her name was Elizabeth STOARCH it could have been Stark? they were married Aug 6, 1785 by Thomas Woolsey(VIRGINIA COLONIAL ABSTRACT VOL. 34 WASHINGTON COUNTY REGISTER 1782 - 1820, Abstracted by Beverley Fleet, 1985.)(aebp)  Whether Joseph was related to the Matthew ELDER family of Washington County is not known.  

>From the State of Tennessee, Joseph ELDER received two Sullivan County land grants. No. 1573 for 100 acres in 1810 and No. 2062 for 100 acres in 1811.  November 1812 Joseph ELDER of Blount County sold the land to William Thompson of Sullivan County (Deed Bk.6:273). [NOTE: All of the early Sullivan County records except the deed books were destroyed during the Civil War.]VKN  These grants may be obtained from Tenn. State Library & Archives. aebp

Recorded in Blount County Court minutes on March 31 1810 is the suit of William Snider against Joseph ELDER; the defendant was ordered to pay the costs and the plaintiff relinquished any further claim  Perhaps a daughter of Joseph ELDER was Susan ELDER who was licensed to Marry Jacob SNIDER on January 25, 1816 in Blount County.  It is interesting to note that Andrew ELDER which will be covered later also married a Snider. Andrew Elder was also from VA lived in Sullivan Co., TN. before he settled in Grainger Co TN and married a Snider. aebp

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: Lelder213@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:30:09 EDT

Does anyone have information on Thomas and Mary Elder from PA.  Thomas born 
1794 and Hannah 1796 KY.  Thomas's mother might be Mary.  Found them listed 
on Effingham Co., IL 1850 Census.  Believe children to be Dumah (not Daniel 
as it looks on census) Lucinda, and Jemima.  Have finally gotten past Dumah, 
but am stuck again.
Thanks,
Linda Elder

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER'S

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:32:15 -0700

ELDER, we need to find them all and get them back together?
I found the following a few years ago when we made a trip to Washington Co., VA.  Some of us working on "our" Elder's in TN. were so sure something was to be found.  A gentleman who started researching the Elder's long before most of us were born planted the seed.İİ
 
This is a typed copy of a Bible and no description is given, but this is available through the Washington County Historical Society, Abindgon, Washington Co., Virginia.  I know some of these Elder's, some could belong to each of us.
 
DEATHS
 
Samuel McPherson - September 7, 1850 - aged 81 years - in KY.
Mary McPhersonİ----- July 25, 1806 - aged 76 years - in KY.
Andrew Elder ----------- November 9, 1807 - aged 70 years - in KY
Margaret Elder --------- March 20, 1814 - - - - - - -  in KY
 
Dorothea C. VENABLE --- February 26, 1835 - aged 52 years - in KY
Matthew Elder - - - - - September 11, 1835 - aged 66 years - in KY.
Helen Francis Baker  February 26m 1846 - aged 11 mos. 11 d. - in ILL.
(Find out where in IL.?ap)
Matthew B. Elder - - - October 29, 1848 aged 31 years six months 11 days in IL.
Thomas D. Baker - - - November 2, 1850 - killed by a runaway horse in ILL.
(There was a Townsend Baker in Moultrie Co IL., somewhere along the line he married an ELDER, I do not have that information nearby; just a "thought").
Elizabeth Baker - - May 6, 1853 (widow of Matthew Elder).
Ann Bennett - - - -  December 25, 1855 at Springfield, IL.
James H. Venable  Nov 4, 1854 at Potoni, WIsconsin.
Andrew W. Elder -  March 6, 1872 aged 76 years, Williamsville, ILL.
Dorothy E. Bennett March 11, 1842, Springfield, ILL. (dau. of Joseph W. Bennett)
Jane Bennett - - - - - November 2, 1842, Springfield, ILL. (dau. of Joseph  W. Bennett)
Joseph W, Bennett  August 18, 1876, Springfield, ILL.
Alfred R. Elder - -  -  Oregon
Martha Rose Elder - Oregon
Hannah Eliza Redding Elder, Williamsville, ILL. (Does anyone know who she was or the dates?)aebp
Samuel  McPherson Elder, Killed by Indians while a prisoner, War of 1812. The date of death is January 22, 1813, at the battle of the River Raisin (in Mich.)
 
Martha Elder - - - - December 18, 1914 in KY.{             }
Harriett Elder - - - December 21 1814 in KY. {  "Twins"İ}
 
MARRIAGES
 
Matthew Elder and Elizabeth McPherson - - - - - - Aug. 6, 1793
J. H. Venable and Dorohea C. Elder - - - - - - - - - -May 31, 1827
Andrew W. Elder and Hannah Eliz. Redding - - - - January 15, 1828
Alfred R. Elder and Martha Ross - - - - - - - - - - - - January 15, 1828 ( I noticed the same dates of marriage, if a typing error this one is not mine.) ap
John Conover and Elanor Elder, July 8, 1828 (License date, Morgan County, IL, County Clerk at Jacksonville in that county date of License is July 9, 1928).
Thomas D. Baker and Cecilia H. Elder - - - - - - - - March 26, 1844
(at one quarter miles from Springfield, ILL. at 7 PM.)
Joseph Walker Bennett and Elizabeth Margaret Elder, April 1, 1854, Morgan County, ILL.
Joseph Blair Bennett and Margaret Ellen Mills, May 14, 1885.
Samuel McPherson and Mary --------------------------------
Andrew Elder and Margaret -----------------------------------
(note:  Marriage of Sanford Watson and Maria Jane Elder is of record in Morgan County, Illinois, under date of March 19, 1839).  Also Joseph W. Bennett and Elizabeth Margaret Elder, April 1, 1834. A transcript from county records in thr Illinois Historical Library at Springfield, ILL..gives on January 15, 1828 the marriages of Andrew Elder and Eliza Reding; Andrew Elder and Martha Ross; these two couples were married by Mathew Elder, M.G. the said Mathew Elder being the father of the groom).Morgan County, ILL.
 
BIRTHS
 
James H. Venable, 1801, Virginia
Samuel McPherson, 1749 - (tradition says in Scotland) Mary McPherson, 1730
Andrew Elder and Margaret (his wife), 1737.  (Both born same year?)ap
Matthew Elder, may 22, 1775; (his wife) Elizabeth McPherson, Oct. 6, 1778.
(Children of Matthew and Elizabeth Elder)
 
Samuel M. Elder, b. July 2, 1794, Andrew Wilson Elder, Jan. 6, 1796 (note: some published records for Dr. Andrew W. (could be "N") Elder report is birth July 6, 1798; Eleanor Elder, June 28, 1800; Dorratyea C. Elder, Sept, 26m 1808; Alfred R. Elder, Aug. 16, 1806; Maria Jane Elder, Mary 24, 1809 (note: Oregon descendants if Mariah Jane Elder Watson have the date if birth May 24, 1810); Elizabeth Margaret Elder, Feb. 20, 1812; Lexington, KY; Matthew Blair Elder, April 5, 1817; Harriot and Martha Elder (twins) Dec. 9, 1814; Cecilia Huntington Elder, Jan. 7, 1821.
Thomas D. Baker, b. Feb. 4, 1816, London, England (married Cecila H. Elder).
Selima Jane Venable, May 28, 1829
Samuel McPherson Elder, Oct. 16, 1829
Chas. Henry Conover and Mary Elizabeth Conover - twins - born /April 2, 1829
Mary Elizabeth Elder, April 9, 1829
Chas. Warfield Elder, Nov. 8, 1830
Helen Francis Baker, March 15, 1845
Joseph Walker Bennett, Nov. 6, 1802, Gallatin County, KY,
Thomas Brooks Bennett, Feb.10, 1835
Dorothy E. Bennett, Sept 5, 1838
Jane Bennett, Aug. 28, 1841
Eliza M. Bennett, Aug. 11, 1845
Ann Bennett, Jan 24, 1861, near Montreal Canada.
*******************************
"The foregoing recors of births, deaths and marriages, were among the papers of Joseph Blair Bennett who died in Springfield, Illinois, Oct. 27, 1930.  The information was reported by his daughter, Miss Margaret E. Bennett who resided with her mother at 716 West Edwards Street, Springfield, Illinois."
 
"Joseph Blair Bennett, b. January 24, 1855, at Mechanicsburg, Illinois, was the son of Joseph Walker Bennett and his wife Elizabeth Margaret ELDER.  She was born Feb. 20.,1812, Lexington, KY., the child of Matthew Elder and Elizabeth McPherson,  Matthew Elder was born, May 22, 1773 (in Virginia according to the family tradition).  Matthew Elder was the son of Andrew and Margaret Elder, both of whom died in Kentucky.  Matthew Elder left Kentucky, where he had lived in Lexington, for Morgan County, Illinois.  According to the sketch of Dr. Andrew Wilson Elder, pages209-217, Vol. I HISTORICAL SKETCHES, by J. N. Gridley (1907), the Matthew Elder family moved from Kentucky to Morgan County, Illinois in the spring of 1824.  Miss Margaret E, Bennett if Springfield, Illinois, is the daughter of the late Joseph Blair Bennett; and he was the son of the late Joseph Walker Bennett and Elizabeth Margaret ELDER; And Elizabeth Margaret was the daughter of Matthew Elder and Elizabeth McPherson and Matthew Elder was the son of Andrew and Margaret Elder.
 
Note:İ This is a  carbon of a preliminary copy I made, and am sending it along so you can either keep as reference or hand to your client.İ This arrangement is a bit different, so is not a replica of the certified record but contains the same information.  Then you send certified record to DAR they will keep that so as I had this copy I am gld to send it along for your use."'
 
I found this in the ELDER papers at the Washington County Historical Society, Abingdon, Washington Co., Virginia,  a few years ago.  I also found a worksheet etc.  a lady was seeking help to find an ancestor to join the DAR!İ (I would like to see this family put together and wish we had more details or someone who descends from this family.  Some of these IL. Elder's could belong to a number of us us.İWe know from our own families how many went to IL. Any help?  NOTE:  Andrew, Matthew and Margaret?  Ann Poe

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:01:14 -0700

Dan & everyone, I printed all I know of these families, I may have more.  I
have never run the line and I most certainly would like to see it done.  I
know nothing about the WOOSLEY'S other than the Rev. Woolsey was in Abingdon
VA. I have more information on Leander if you want it.  The more exposure
these Elder's have the more likely we are to resolve our own families.  So
many of the Elder's were in TN. certainly they were not all my ancestors. So
many went to OH., KY, IL (most of my ancestor's children went to IL.), and
other areas.  A large number of Elder's were in MO. and not all were of the
"TN Elder's"

What particular family are you working on?  I gather from your address your
in GA? I hope many of us will work this out of the List. aebp
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Elder <dan.elder@fbcvidalia.org>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Elder-News]: ELDER


> Ann, this story is another close hit on the Grayson County KY branch.  The
Elder-Anderson-Woosley cemetery at Caneyville KY (In Grayson County) is
chock full of WOOSLEYs.  I know there is a two letter transposition between
the Woosleys in the cemetery and the Woolsey minister you mention.  Still,
where in VA did this Woolsey live?  Was this name a common name in that area
before 1800?  Is either of these spellings common in PA before 1800?
>
> The more I sift for clues, the more I find that maybe these families knew
each other before they arrived in KY.  Perhaps I'm finally getting close to
a lead. :-)
> ----------
> From: Ann Poe[SMTP:elderbrooks@msn.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 12:52 AM
> To: elder-news@intrepid.net
> Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER
>
> <<File: ATT00010.html>>
> I know some of these Elder's are not of interest to everyone but they may
help someone that is already on the elder-news.  ELDER, JOHN W. 1853 -
1928 - John W. ELDER (b. Aug 2, 1853, Trenton, Gibson Co.; d. May 12, 1928,
Chattanooga, (Hamilton Co.) was the son of Henry L. and Harriet (Houston)
ELDER of Trenton, Tennessee.  John W. was probably a first cousin of Leander
Melville ELDER.  In 1876, John W. ELDER, an attorney, came to Chattanooga
and for many years was engaged in the real estate business.  He was a
steward in the Methodist Church. Married Rachel Isabella McMillen on May 18,
1881 (d. Nov. 22, 1931). No children. From Virginia K. Nelson's work.
>
> ELDER, Joseph - who lived in Sullivan, the Blount County, Tennessee, was
perhaps the Joseph Elder who married Elizabeth Stoark (Stark?)....I think
her name was Elizabeth STOARCH it could have been Stark? they were married
Aug 6, 1785 by Thomas Woolsey(VIRGINIA COLONIAL ABSTRACT VOL. 34 WASHINGTON
COUNTY REGISTER 1782 - 1820, Abstracted by Beverley Fleet, 1985.)(aebp)
Whether Joseph was related to the Matthew ELDER family of Washington County
is not known.
>
> From the State of Tennessee, Joseph ELDER received two Sullivan County
land grants. No. 1573 for 100 acres in 1810 and No. 2062 for 100 acres in
1811.  November 1812 Joseph ELDER of Blount County sold the land to William
Thompson of Sullivan County (Deed Bk.6:273). [NOTE: All of the early
Sullivan County records except the deed books were destroyed during the
Civil War.]VKN  These grants may be obtained from Tenn. State Library &
Archives. aebp
>
> Recorded in Blount County Court minutes on March 31 1810 is the suit of
William Snider against Joseph ELDER; the defendant was ordered to pay the
costs and the plaintiff relinquished any further claim  Perhaps a daughter
of Joseph ELDER was Susan ELDER who was licensed to Marry Jacob SNIDER on
January 25, 1816 in Blount County.  It is interesting to note that Andrew
ELDER which will be covered later also married a Snider. Andrew Elder was
also from VA lived in Sullivan Co., TN. before he settled in Grainger Co TN
and married a Snider. aebp
>
>
>
>

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's from SC & NC

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:09:21 -0700

Dan, and all,

If we can get more to post it certainly would help.  I have a lot of
material I have found "here and there" I know it must have some meaning to
one of you Elder's.I think we need to go over some of our information.
Ann Poe
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Elder <dan.elder@fbcvidalia.org>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: [Elder-News]: Elder's from SC & NC


> Any Janes?  Any Janes??  I think Jane was the widow matriarch of the Elder
family in Warren County in 1798.  I'm trying to link a husband to her.
>
> Ann, your story here is beginning to roughly follow a very vague family
story about the Grayson County Elders at one time being wealthy land owners
in VA (although Thomas is listed as PA birth in 1850 Grayson County census)
and that somehow they came through Cades Cove TN on their way to KY.  I'm
wondering if there's a standard migration route here that Elder kin took
here to get to TN and southern KY.  Many of the names you list closely
parallel those repeated in most of my Elder ancestors.  We didn't have any
Davids or Ephriams (after 1798, at least) that characterizes the VA crowd,
but we did have plenty of Williams, Roberts, Johns and Thomas's.
>
> My story on our web page may trigger something in your memory or research.
What are your thoughts?
>
> :-)
>
> ----------
> From: Ann Poe[SMTP:elderbrooks@msn.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 1999 1:12 AM
> To: elder-news@intrepid.net
> Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder's from SC & NC
>
> <<File: ATT00009.html>>
> ELDER'S: Remember why this was started was due to the continuous "mix up"
of the ELDERS from SC, NC & TN.  Someone had asked before to have the deeds
posted and we are getting there.  "George Story's will, dated March 11,
1800, Spartanburg County, bequeathed "to my daughter Margaret Elder, negro
girl Sall" (Brent H. Holcomb, Spartanburg County, South Carolina, Will
Abstracts, 1787-1840 (1983),p.102)
>
> "The ELDERS had heard of the hostility of the Indians, so they decided to
remain for a while at the Campbell's Station settlement in west Knox County,
where there was a fort for their protection.  A few miles away at Cavett's
Station a number of settlers had been massacred by a Cherokee war party in
the fall of 1793." VKN
>
> "After a time the ELDERS in Knox County made plans to move on to Kentucky
by way of the Tennessee River. "The boat which they built for the trip was
small and crowded.  They would land at night and camp on shore.  At Muscle
Shoals where the big power plant is built, the river makes a horseshoe bend.
As they ran the rapids the centrifugal force tended to throw the boat
against the rock shore on the outer curve.  The men turned to bow of the
boat toward midstream and rowed with all their might to keep off the rocks.
They descended the thirty miles rapids in thirty minutes.  The encyclopedia
says the fall is 134 feet in 37 miles."*
>
> NOTE: Although the Spartanburg County Elders named above may have been
related to Peter and Ephraim Elder who were also in early Spartanburg
County, South Carolina, nothing which showed a connection was found in
extant records."VKN
>
> "By 1800 the families of John and William ELDER were living in Livingston
County, Kentucky.  John Elder perhaps died before 1800; the Livingston
County, Kentucky tax list includes George, James, Mary, Robert and William
Elder".VKN  " Not the William Elder who resided in Jefferson Co TN.aebp.
Mary was perhaps the widow of John, and James and Robert are thought to have
been sons of John.  James ELDER (1781-1847) is buried in Livingston Cemetery
(now Caldwell County, Kentucky). VKN & aebp
>
____________________________________________________________________________
______
> "John's daughter Mary ELDER married a WHEELER.  She was thirteen years old
when her parents left South Carolina."  Talitha (ELDER) Aaron, "Elder (no
date about 1850) Her book is primarily about her ancestors Samuel ELDER
(b.1790), Spartanburg Co., South Carolina) in 1808  in South Carolina and
later migrated to Illinois, where he was the first county judge of Saline
County.  Talitha (ELDER) Aaron (b. 1876 taught school in Eldorado, Illinois,
for many years." vkn  Talitha (ELDER) Aaron had very few sources. aebp.
>
____________________________________________________________________________
________
> The 1810 census for Livingston County, Kentucky, includes Peggy ELDER,
over 45, and her family and one slave.  Peggy Elder may have been the widow
of William ELDER and the daughter of George Story.  Two of William Elder's
daughters were married in Knox County; Mary to George Mayes and Hannah to
David Hill.  William Elder's youngest son, Samuel C., settled in Gallatin
County, Illinois.  According to that county's census, Samuel C. ELDER was
age 59 in 1850". most of the above contributed by vkn and little by aebp
Goodnight, Ann
>
>
>
>

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:13:00 -0700

I am getting ready to make myself look stupid again.  What is this with the
Masons and Freemasons?  I know a couple of generations back I find most were
Masons?  I thought it was an organization.  Although around the late 1700's
and early 1800's many of the primitive Baptist churches were strongly
against it. aebp
----- Original Message -----
From: Elder, Darrell L. <ELDERD@rjrt.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 5:33 AM
Subject: RE: [Elder-News]: ELDER


> As a Freemason/Mason myself, I also would be interested in that info.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rlaneb1@aol.com [SMTP:Rlaneb1@aol.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:52 PM
> > To: elder-news@intrepid.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am wondering if any other Elder lines are connected to the Freemasons
or
> > Masons. It seems one of my lines may have been. Thanks.
> >
> > R.Bangsund
> > rlaneb1@aol.com
>

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDERSubject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>From: <Lelder213@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:15:24 -0700

    I will check over the weekend to see what I have.  I know people on here
are very familiar with the PA Elder's.  Ann P.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Lelder213@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER


> Does anyone have information on Thomas and Mary Elder from PA.  Thomas
born
> 1794 and Hannah 1796 KY.  Thomas's mother might be Mary.  Found them
listed
> on Effingham Co., IL 1850 Census.  Believe children to be Dumah (not
Daniel
> as it looks on census) Lucinda, and Jemima.  Have finally gotten past
Dumah,
> but am stuck again.
> Thanks,
> Linda Elder
>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: SSDI information

From: Steve&Betty Snow <snow2@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:21:49 -0400


<http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi>


If you access the Social Security Death index through rootsweb you have the
chance to post additions and corrections to what is listed in the index.
You also can view what others have posted.

A suggestion -- if you know someone's maiden name, indicate it on a
post-em.  This also gives you a chance to correct errors in index listings
for close family members and indicate your name and contact information for
others who come across your post-ems.  I also added specific information as
to where people's homes were and where they died and were buried.

Rootsweb has come through again with a fantastic research tool.

Betty Snow
snow2@erols.com

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "J. B. Hitt, II ." <jbhitt@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:08:25 -0400

Ann, it is an organization (a men's fraternity) and its first notice in this
country was in military lodges before 1730.  Before political correctness
became so important, many of our founding fathers and government officials
were members.  In later years, it has become a popular target for
fundamentalist churches of all kinds.  Lodge records seldom provide anything
useful to genealogy researchers.  I responded in hopes that the
correspondents would have more questions to be answered by someone who is a
long time active member.  I'd rather talk about the Spartansburg Elders who
came across Tn. about 1796 and landed near Princeton Ky.  These are the
Elders who travelled with the Story's (I think) and married into the Dickey
family.  You and I have discussed this several years ago.  I don't know much
more now than I did then.   JB
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Poe <elderbrooks@msn.com>
To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER


>I am getting ready to make myself look stupid again.  What is this with the
>Masons and Freemasons?  I know a couple of generations back I find most
were
>Masons?  I thought it was an organization.  Although around the late 1700's
>and early 1800's many of the primitive Baptist churches were strongly
>against it. aebp
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Elder, Darrell L. <ELDERD@rjrt.com>
>To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
>Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 5:33 AM
>Subject: RE: [Elder-News]: ELDER
>
>
>> As a Freemason/Mason myself, I also would be interested in that info.
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Rlaneb1@aol.com [SMTP:Rlaneb1@aol.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:52 PM
>> > To: elder-news@intrepid.net
>> > Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I am wondering if any other Elder lines are connected to the Freemasons
>or
>> > Masons. It seems one of my lines may have been. Thanks.
>> >
>> > R.Bangsund
>> > rlaneb1@aol.com
>>
>
>

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:10:37 -0700

J. B. ELDER >>>
Thank you for the information, it is as I thought on the Masons.

I will share any information I have and I do want it shared.  If even one of
us has worked long and hard and wants to keep their information "private" I
don't understand the point of it.  We spend our time, money, energy etc and
we do not want to say, "I have finally found etc and want to share this, I
feel so good about it". That is my opinion only.

I thought that the Story's and Dickey's and finally been resolved?  We are
not doing a lot on our News List are we.  I really would like to see people
post what information they have.  I know some of the information I have is
not helpful to be and I do not connect all of it, but someone will be able
to. The small piece of information may be the link one of us needs. Someone
out there has information on these people I bet, can we all help a little.
J. B. I think that SC and KY hold a lot of information we have yet to
uncover.  I think I wrote to you about another list concerning my
grandmother's family, she was a Weaver and Long.  I've run the Long's it was
so easy I went into shock.  I know Weaver's, but I am stuck on which one was
my great grandmother's grandfather?  Yes they are German, I did talk to you
about that part?

I am (along with others) still trying to find the wife of Samuel ELDER who
d. 1811 Sevier Co TN.  Hannah ______ ELDER.  Also the proven parentage of
Samuel ELDER. I really think we are at a standstill with Samuel ELDER.  The
Matthew ELDER who died in Washington Co VA. but was not born in VA. must be
someway related.  I think I have found the second Andrew Elder which is the
lost thread.  Even if it should be we cannot prove it, when the Samuel ELDER
who died in Grainger County, NC. if he was the father of our Elder's did not
name anyone but his "beloved Elizabeth", I feel certain she was a second
wife. The Andrew in Grainger Co. lived longer than his son if Samuel was his
son and some of his (if they were) grandchildren.  J.B. one thing really
continues to "nag" at me, I do remember my grandfather mentioning something
about "that old farm in Grainger Co" and other things about Grainger Co. yet
my grandfather was born in Jefferson and much to young for Andrew.  My
grandfather was not old enough to have "lost it" and I was a little girl I
know that Grainger County TN meant something?

So how do we find our lost ELDER'S?  We keep posting to this board, we keep
sharing the smallest tid bit of information?  Anyone have some ideas?  J.B.
I meant to answer your letter before, I was just snowed at the time.
Everyone have a great HOLIDAY.  Ann P
----- Original Message -----
From: J. B. Hitt, II . <jbhitt@worldnet.att.net>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER


.  I'd rather talk about the Spartansburg Elders who
> came across Tn. about 1796 and landed near Princeton Ky.  These are the
> Elders who travelled with the Story's (I think) and married into the
Dickey
> family.  You and I have discussed this several years ago.  I don't know
much
> more now than I did then.   JB
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ann Poe <elderbrooks@msn.com>
> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net>
> Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: SSDI information

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:19:42 -0700

    Steve & Betty,

Thank you, my father is not listed and he died when we were children. One
thing, the Freedom of Information Act denies he existed, three times???? He
was with the Manhattan Project in Oak Ridge Tenn., I've been told by a few
people of "rank" that is it not unusual.  My father died very young, he
lived only six months after we the doctors found out what it was.  I will
try this and I sincerely thank you, Ann P.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve&Betty Snow <snow2@erols.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 7:21 AM
Subject: [Elder-News]: SSDI information


>
>
> <http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi>
>
>
> If you access the Social Security Death index through rootsweb you have
the
> chance to post additions and corrections to what is listed in the index.
> You also can view what others have posted.
>
> A suggestion -- if you know someone's maiden name, indicate it on a
> post-em.  This also gives you a chance to correct errors in index listings
> for close family members and indicate your name and contact information
for
> others who come across your post-ems.  I also added specific information
as
> to where people's homes were and where they died and were buried.
>
> Rootsweb has come through again with a fantastic research tool.
>
> Betty Snow
> snow2@erols.com
>
>
>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Moultrie Co., IL Elder's

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:42:43 -0700

ELDER - MOULTRIE COUNTY MARRIAGES, 1843 - 1860, VOLUME I, Published by the Moultrie County Historical & Genealogical Society, Sullivan, IL.
 
Townsend BAKER - Elizabeth ELDER by William David,JP  30 June1858
Lewis J. BERRY - Rebecca ELDER by R. B. Ewing, MG 24 Sept 1843
(Rebecca ELDER was the daughter of James & Didama (French) ELDER they migrated to Shelby and then Sullivan, Moultrie Co., IL. - Rebecca died young and is buried Greenhill Cemetery, Sullivan, Moultrie Co., IL.:  James ELDER her father was the first born child of William & Rebecca (Cates) ELDER they resided in Jefferson Co., TN.  Rebecca Elder moved to Sullivan before 1860 she is living with her daughter and son-in-law, Hannah (ELDER) and Hiram Travillion (many spellings to this name). 1860 Moultrie Co IL Census shows Rebecca Elder living with her daughter. Hannah is also a sister of James ELDER.
 
Rufus Cates - Jane Elder by Elijah Bridwell, JP 23 July 1860.
 
Davis, Charles - Margaret A. ELDER by Wm. H. Martin- 25 Dec, 1851.
Euphratus, ELDER - Didamo* Wamack by E. D. Cleveland - 25 Dec, 1853.
John ELDER - Jane N. Martin by James ELDER - 16 March 1850.
William ELDER - Louisa Ewing by Amos Prentice - 12 April 1846 (William son of James & Didama (FRENCH) ELDER.
Cair (Carr) FRENCH - Nancy ELDER by James ELDER - 23 July 1848.
Thomas Y. LEWIS - Cordelia D.ELDER by A. L. Kellar, MG - 22 June 1858
James C. MARTIN - Chilnissa ELDER by A. H. Edwards - 25 Dec. 1855.
Madison WALKER - Mary Ann ELDER by Amos Prentice - 7 Feb. 1849.
 
Volume I Moultrie County Historical & Genealogical Society, Sullivan, Illinois.
 
*Probably Didama. aebp
 
I have more but having pulled this stuff out again I will have to dig for the marriages. Ann Poe

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER'S

From: JJSlaton@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:06:02 EDT

Hello Ann & All,

<<<This is a typed copy of a Bible and no description is given, but this is 
available through the Washington County Historical Society, Abindgon, 
Washington Co., Virginia.  I know some of these Elder's, some could belong to 
each of us......>>>

I have more information on this Mathew Elder family who md. Elizabeth 
McPherson.  I have notes from several descendents of the Andrew Elder [md 
Margaret Collier] who lived in Madison Co KY , will dated 16 Apr 1804, died 9 
Nov 1807; obituary in Lexington Ky Gazette [found in "KY OBITS"]; will 
probated 2 May 1808.

According to information I have had for some years the above Andrew was the 
son of Mathew Elder of Washington Co VA [died 1783]. He was probably born in 
York Co PA as that is where his brother Robert  [my ancestor] reports he was 
born in 1760 in his Rev War pension application.  I have an ? date of ca 1747 
for Andrew from a descendent [Ralph Milsap] who is now deceased.  I 
corresponded with Ralph in the late 80s & early 90s. He had many family 
records, had traveled to pertinent places in the Elder migration path and 
seemed to have been a fairly careful researcher.  He made an attempt to 
connect the above Mathew Elder to the Paxtang Pa lines of Robert and Eleanor 
Elder but was never able to do so. 

Andrew Elder & Margaret Collier [d/o John Collier & Cecily [Hall ?] - John's 
will dated 27 Oct 1760 prd. 20 Aug 1765 Augusta Co VA] - children:
1.  Andrew W.[Wilson] Elder d. between 10 Aug 1827 & 3 Dec 1827 in Madison Co 
KY;
md. Lucinda Mills & had dau Lucinda Mills Elder b 1825 Pulaski Co KY.

2..John Elder d. Apr 1814 Lexington, Fayette Co KY, wife Ann __.

3.  Mathew Elder b 22 may 1773 Rockbridge Co VA, d. 11 Sep 1839 Morgan Co IL; 
md Elizabeth A. McPherson 6 Aug 1793 Washington Co Va [Obit KY Observer - 12 
Oct 1839] --Mathew & Elizabeth had 11 children; one was Dorothea Christian 
Elder b 20 Sep 1803 , d 26 Feb 1835 , md 31 May 1827 madison Co Ky James 
Henry Venable.  I have data on all other children of Mathew & Elizabeth for 
those interested.

4. Cecelia "Sealy" Elder md Simon Hudson in Madison Co KY -no other info

5. Alexander Elder d. ca 1866 IN, md 1. 1 or 11 May 1809 Madison Co KY Rosy 
McCord; md. 2. Anny McCord 4 Jun 1815 - I have data on descendents of this 
line.

6.  Nancy Elder md. 23 Jan 1800 Issac McHenry - no other info.

7.  David Elder b 22 Feb 1781 Rockbridge or wWashington Co VA, d. 31 Oct 1848 
Madison Co KY; md Judith terrell - no other ino.

8. Elizabeth Elder md [William ?] McCord --- There sre several marriages 
between Elders and McCords found in "McCord Family 1719-1939" by Wm. Oscar 
McCord that traces the family of David McCord & Ann Shipley from Va to Ky  
and on. 

I will be glad to share further information on this Elder family with sources 
with anyone interested.

I still have some holes in my data and thank you for the information in this 
post I am responding to.
Later,
Joyce J. Slaton

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Continuatuin if Andrew Ekder and it is short.

From: JJSlaton@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:56:59 EDT

Hi Ann & All,
Re this post of 9/2/99:
<<ELDER, Andrew - 1748-1834 -Robert Elder, son of Matthew who died in 1783. 
Robert was born in 1760 in York County, PA.  In 1796 he moved to Lincoln 
County, Kentucky where he died in 1839.  While living in Rockbridge County, 
Virginia, Robert ELDER served in the American Revolution; he was in the 
Battle of Kings Mountain in 1780 (pension application No. S-12865, National 
Archives).  Robert Elder was married about 1785 to Rebecca Robinson (b. Oct. 
21, 1762, VA.;d.April 25, 1839 in KY).  Their children were Matthew*, Andrew, 
James, Mary, Robert (d. April 1, 1851); Married Jane ______). Rebecca, 
William, and Jane. VJN,  I do not recall Matthew being named in his fathers 
will?  I will have to check that again.  Matthew is said by Andrew Elder of 
Grainger Co., TN. Matthew his brother was killed during the Rev and buried in 
Baskin Ridge,NJ..aebp

James Elder, son of Matthew who died in 1783, married Sarah Rush on Dec. 5, 
1797 Washington Co., VA.  VKN  I would have to check but I am almost sure 
James married (2) Sarah Rush. aebp>>>

James Elder b ca 1763 probably York Co Pa, d Lincoln Co KY, md 1. Margaret 
Riley 12 Sep 1789 Rockbridge Co Va - one daughter Margaret b 20 Apr 1793 
Lincoln Co KY,  d. 5 Mar 1858 Pike Co IN; md 3 Dec 1816 William E. McCormack.
James md. 2. Sarah Rusk[h] 5 Dec 1797 Washington Co Va and had five children:
Andrew 1801-1870;  Mathew 1802-after 1850 md Rebecca Jamison;  Sarah 
1804-1892, md Jesse Carter 1824 Lincoln Co KY;  James b ca 1806-10;  Robert 
S. b ca 1812 d 1857 possibly Meade Co KY.

Mathew Elder who died 1783 Washington Co Va did not name a son Mathew in his 
will - it is unlikely that he did not name a son Mathew as this name has been 
used in each generation of descendents that I have record of down to at least 
the late 1800s, including my grgrgrandfather Mathew Robinson McCormack who 
was the son of Daniel McCormack and Rebecca Elder , d/o Robert Elder & 
Rebecca Robinson.

In my research of irish records I found a Mathew Elder born 1703 to Andrew 
Elder and Anne Ripley of Templemore, Londonderry Co Ireland.  Other children 
are consistent with names that have continued in my Elder line.  No proof 
that this is my Mathew who died 1783 but what may be a very warm clue.  A 
cousin went to Templemore and copied Elder records of Derry Cathedral and 
tried to find further record of the Mathew born and christened 1803 but with 
no luck. So it is possible that the 1803 Mathew migrated in the 1740s when so 
many Ulster Scots came from Ireland to Pa.  Based on the order of mention in 
Mathew's 1783 will, I have the children's birth order as follows:  [no proof 
!]
Andrew 1745-48 , md Margaret Collier, to Madison co KY;  
Agnes, md before 1783 [wm] Robinson;  
Martha md before 1783 __ Bowls/Boals;  
Jane md before 1783 John Collier;  
Robert b 1760, md 1783 Rebecca Robinson;  
Mary b 22 jan 1761, md Wm Snodgrass & went to Sullivan co TN;  
James ca 1763 md 1789 Margaret Riley, md 1797 Sarah Rusk[h];  
Elizabeth md 1779 James Robinson; 
Rebecca died unmarried  1839 at age 77 Lincoln Co Ky;  
Sarah, md 1785 James Jamison; 
 & Mathew ?? placed probably after Andrew ?? - supposition only!

Hope this information helps someone.
Joyce J. Slaton

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Subject: [Elder-News]: James Bailey Elder, Clay Co. Missouri

From: Patrick and Tami Elder <patrick@icon.net>
Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 13:28:16 -0500


Hi all,

My great, great grandfather was James Bailey Elder from Clay Co. Missouri.  I
can't find his father and family beyond that.  Any help???

Patrick Elder

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER'S

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:14:31 -0700

    Joyce, this looks like the one I posted and I think I sent you a copy?
Problem we have is no identification on either of these records.

We need help from the rest of the list.  You are the only one I know (I
think) whose ancestor was Matthew Elder?  It is the same Bible record with
interjections by someone else.

I think we need to face the fact we had two men named Andrew Elder?  As far
as Matthew and Robert go they appear to be in good order, well Matthew could
use a little help. Where are all the other descendants?

I am leaning toward the possibility that Matthew was the immigrant ancestor?

I  have more so will cut here,

Ann P.
----- Original Message -----
From: <JJSlaton@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER'S


> Hello Ann & All,
>
> <<<This is a typed copy of a Bible and no description is given, but this
is
> available through the Washington County Historical Society, Abindgon,
> Washington Co., Virginia.  I know some of these Elder's, some could belong
to
> each of us......>>>
>
> I have more information on this Mathew Elder family who md. Elizabeth
> McPherson.  I have notes from several descendents of the Andrew Elder [md
> Margaret Collier] who lived in Madison Co KY , will dated 16 Apr 1804,
died 9
> Nov 1807; obituary in Lexington Ky Gazette [found in "KY OBITS"]; will
> probated 2 May 1808.
>
> According to information I have had for some years the above Andrew was
the
> son of Mathew Elder of Washington Co VA [died 1783]. He was probably born
in
> York Co PA as that is where his brother Robert  [my ancestor] reports he
was
> born in 1760 in his Rev War pension application.  I have an ? date of ca
1747
> for Andrew from a descendent [Ralph Milsap] who is now deceased.  I
> corresponded with Ralph in the late 80s & early 90s. He had many family
> records, had traveled to pertinent places in the Elder migration path and
> seemed to have been a fairly careful researcher.  He made an attempt to
> connect the above Mathew Elder to the Paxtang Pa lines of Robert and
Eleanor
> Elder but was never able to do so.
>
> Andrew Elder & Margaret Collier [d/o John Collier & Cecily [Hall ?] -
John's
> will dated 27 Oct 1760 prd. 20 Aug 1765 Augusta Co VA] - children:
> 1.  Andrew W.[Wilson] Elder d. between 10 Aug 1827 & 3 Dec 1827 in Madison
Co
> KY;
> md. Lucinda Mills & had dau Lucinda Mills Elder b 1825 Pulaski Co KY.
>
> 2..John Elder d. Apr 1814 Lexington, Fayette Co KY, wife Ann __.
>
> 3.  Mathew Elder b 22 may 1773 Rockbridge Co VA, d. 11 Sep 1839 Morgan Co
IL;
> md Elizabeth A. McPherson 6 Aug 1793 Washington Co Va [Obit KY Observer -
12
> Oct 1839] --Mathew & Elizabeth had 11 children; one was Dorothea Christian
> Elder b 20 Sep 1803 , d 26 Feb 1835 , md 31 May 1827 madison Co Ky James
> Henry Venable.  I have data on all other children of Mathew & Elizabeth
for
> those interested.
>
> 4. Cecelia "Sealy" Elder md Simon Hudson in Madison Co KY -no other info
>
> 5. Alexander Elder d. ca 1866 IN, md 1. 1 or 11 May 1809 Madison Co KY
Rosy
> McCord; md. 2. Anny McCord 4 Jun 1815 - I have data on descendents of this
> line.
>
> 6.  Nancy Elder md. 23 Jan 1800 Issac McHenry - no other info.
>
> 7.  David Elder b 22 Feb 1781 Rockbridge or wWashington Co VA, d. 31 Oct
1848
> Madison Co KY; md Judith terrell - no other ino.
>
> 8. Elizabeth Elder md [William ?] McCord --- There sre several marriages
> between Elders and McCords found in "McCord Family 1719-1939" by Wm. Oscar
> McCord that traces the family of David McCord & Ann Shipley from Va to Ky
> and on.
>
> I will be glad to share further information on this Elder family with
sources
> with anyone interested.
>
> I still have some holes in my data and thank you for the information in
this
> post I am responding to.
> Later,
> Joyce J. Slaton
>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 23:02:16 -0700

ELDER, Matthew - We must have two by the same name.  We also have two with almost identical Rev War service.  Father's of the same name but an age difference.  The Matthew ELDER found on the applications of Andrew ELDER who moved to Grainger Co TN. was born ca 1748 in Chester Co PA. These two applications just "cannot be" but they are?İ
 
My interest in Andrew ELDER who died in Grainger County, TN. is the knowledge to know.İPerhaps all of us have a tendency to want to leave something's alone.
 
CAPT. JAMES FULKERSONS PRECINCT OF 1782İ
This includes all the territory in Washington County as in 1777, including the counties of Russell, Smyth, Lee, Scott, Buchanan, Wish and Dickenson. Compiled by Mrs. Margaret R. Davis >from the record in the Archives of Virginia State Library, Richmond Virginia.
 
MAJOR DYSART'S PRECINCT OF 1782
    (Numbers following names mean number of slaves owned)
 
Major Dysart's Precinct of 1782-continued from last issue
 
AndrewİKINCANNON        Matthew ELDER        Andrew ELDER,         David SNODGRASS
 
___________________________________________________________________________________
(Andrew ELDER page 47 - purchased 188a on Feb. 13, 1770 from William Thompson & Mary his wife, 188a on Buffalo Creek, a fork of the James). (Collier's and Andrew ELDER neighbors). aebp
 
1772, Jan 17, Alexander COLLIER John COLLIER 13a Buffalo Creek.
 
"Page 1048-part 2- Washington County Minutes of the County Court Oct. 19, 1779 - Ordered that Andrew KINCANNON, Jones SMITH, David BEATIE and John COILER or any three of them being first Sworn Appraise the Estate of Robert Buchanan Deceased and make return to the next Court. P.1345, Part 2 Brief of Deeds - Washington County Record of Deeds No. 1 Page 70.  April 29, 1783 - Matthew ELDER.İ His estate to his children, ANDREW, AGNESS ELDER, MARTHA BOWLS, JANE COLLIER, MARY SNODGRASS, REBECCA ELDER & ROBERT & JAMES.
Executors: Robert ELDER, and his wife, whose name is not stated.  Witness: Andrew
KINCANNON, John GRAHAM, Elizabeth KINCANNON."
 
From MAUD HORN'S ATCHLEY FAMILY HISTORY, Second Edition by Dr. Paul L. Atchley and Mary Ann Morris Thompson, Knoxville, Tennessee, 1965.
Chapter VIİİ
REFERENCES AND SKETCHES
 
"Reproduced herewith are some notes which the author (in this case, Mrs. Maud Horn) made in searches of public records and reference books, and which may be of value to the reader:
 
No. 440, Thomas ATCHLEY this day enters as occupant enterer ****N. E. 1/4 Sec 13, Fractional Township 2, Range 3 west meridian, County of Rhea (Meigs County created there from, 1836), Hiawassee District Beginning at the NE corner of said quarter *** etc. 21st of July 1824, Grant No. 1008, issued 9th July, 1828 (on file at Athens, McMinn County, Tenn. courthouse)"
---------------------------------
CONSTITUTION OF CHURCH AT DECATUR, TENN. FORMED 1827 - The Friday before the 4th Saturday of September, 1827, the government of the Pisgah Baptist Church of Christ met after divine worship and proceeded to business:
1st.  invited brethren of ours forth in order to sit with us.
2nd.İopened our doors for the reception of members.
3rd.  called for reference.
4th.  Agreeable to a petition sent to the Pisgah Baptist Church of Christ, came forward Daniel BRIGGS and Phillip SCOBER as presbytery and set apart the following members as a church to keep house for the Lord, towit:
 
Miles   VERNON.................Absolum COLEMAN.........................Augustine BREEDWELL
Daniel  CATE*.................... Robert ELDER**.............................. James LILLARD
William ZEGLAR................ Chapman SWART........................... Thomas MORELAND
John DUKE
Ann VERNON (nee ATCHLEY b. 1787).......Elizabeth FUNCANNON....Polly LILLARD
Clora COLEMAN.............Ava CATE**.........Nancy BREEDWELL.....Nancy COLEMAN
Ann KINCANNON
So dismissed in order"
*Daniel CATE husband of Ava Elder Cate and son of John Jr. and May CATE
**Robert ELDER son of Samuel & Hannah ELDER, father of Ava Elder Cate, husband of (1) Sarah Moore. aebpİ "Ava CATE was daughter of Robert ELDER,wife of Daniel CATE.  Andrew and Elizabeth Kincannon were witnesses to will of Matthew ELDER. Botetourt County, VA., 1783 (Annals of Southwest Virginia, 1769-1800, by Hon. Lewis P. Summers)."
 
The above Robert ELDER is the only son of Samuel and Hannah ELDER to live long enough for the 1850 and 1860 census.  Robert gives place of birth as Virginia.aebp
 
Mrs.Horn found numerous deeds,among them is one that give place of birth once more:"No. 2134, page 257. Robert ELDER enters as gen. enterer this day NW qr Sec. 4. Fr. Twn. R. Range 3 W. of meridian, County of Rhea, Hiawassee Dist. Beg. at NW corner said q4., ect. 160 acres 26 Nov 1825. I assign the within cert. copy to grant No. 2994 issued. (John ELDER, son of Robert ELDER. Robert P.MAYES, relative of EUBANK family, all from Virginia."
TITHABLES IN WASHINGTON COUNTY, VIRGINIA, IN 1782, AtİHistorical Society Of Washington County, Virginia. Publications Series II, No. 9, July 1971, published inİSeries II, No. 7 and No.8
(Numbers following names mean number of slaves owned

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: RElder1922@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:49:57 EDT

Archiebald W. Elder was a Mason. He was a Past Master of his lodge. In 1936 
in Atlantic City N.J. he was made a 33rd Degree Mason.

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Subject: Fw: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:48:24 -0700

Please see below:
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:elderbrooks@msn.com>Ann Poe
To: <mailto:elder-news@intrepid.net>elder-news@intrepid.net
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 11:02 PM
Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER

ELDER, Matthew - We must have two by the same name.  We also have two with almost identical Rev War service.İ
 
Father's of the same name but an age difference.  The Matthew ELDER found on the applications of
*Father's of the same name but an age difference.  I wanted it clearly the age difference is between the two Andrew Elder's.
Thanks, Ann
 İİ
Andrew ELDER who moved to Grainger Co TN. was born ca 1748 in Chester Co PA. These two applications just "cannot be" but they are?İ
 
My interest in Andrew ELDER who died in Grainger County, TN. is the knowledge to know.İPerhaps all of us have a tendency to want to leave something's alone.
 
CAPT. JAMES FULKERSONS PRECINCT OF 1782İ
This includes all the territory in Washington County as in 1777, including the counties of Russell, Smyth, Lee, Scott, Buchanan, Wish and Dickenson. Compiled by Mrs. Margaret R. Davis >from the record in the Archives of Virginia State Library, Richmond Virginia.
 
MAJOR DYSART'S PRECINCT OF 1782
    (Numbers following names mean number of slaves owned)
 
Major Dysart's Precinct of 1782-continued from last issue
 
AndrewİKINCANNON        Matthew ELDER        Andrew ELDER,         David SNODGRASS
 
___________________________________________________________________________________
(Andrew ELDER page 47 - purchased 188a on Feb. 13, 1770 from William Thompson & Mary his wife, 188a on Buffalo Creek, a fork of the James). (Collier's and Andrew ELDER neighbors). aebp
 
1772, Jan 17, Alexander COLLIER John COLLIER 13a Buffalo Creek.
 
"Page 1048-part 2- Washington County Minutes of the County Court Oct. 19, 1779 - Ordered that Andrew KINCANNON, Jones SMITH, David BEATIE and John COILER or any three of them being first Sworn Appraise the Estate of Robert Buchanan Deceased and make return to the next Court. P.1345, Part 2 Brief of Deeds - Washington County Record of Deeds No. 1 Page 70.  April 29, 1783 - Matthew ELDER.İ His estate to his children, ANDREW, AGNESS ELDER, MARTHA BOWLS, JANE COLLIER, MARY SNODGRASS, REBECCA ELDER & ROBERT & JAMES.
Executors: Robert ELDER, and his wife, whose name is not stated.  Witness: Andrew
KINCANNON, John GRAHAM, Elizabeth KINCANNON."
 
From MAUD HORN'S ATCHLEY FAMILY HISTORY, Second Edition by Dr. Paul L. Atchley and Mary Ann Morris Thompson, Knoxville, Tennessee, 1965.
Chapter VIİİ
REFERENCES AND SKETCHES
 
"Reproduced herewith are some notes which the author (in this case, Mrs. Maud Horn) made in searches of public records and reference books, and which may be of value to the reader:
 
No. 440, Thomas ATCHLEY this day enters as occupant enterer ****N. E. 1/4 Sec 13, Fractional Township 2, Range 3 west meridian, County of Rhea (Meigs County created there from, 1836), Hiawassee District Beginning at the NE corner of said quarter *** etc. 21st of July 1824, Grant No. 1008, issued 9th July, 1828 (on file at Athens, McMinn County, Tenn. courthouse)"
---------------------------------
CONSTITUTION OF CHURCH AT DECATUR, TENN. FORMED 1827 - The Friday before the 4th Saturday of September, 1827, the government of the Pisgah Baptist Church of Christ met after divine worship and proceeded to business:
1st.  invited brethren of ours forth in order to sit with us.
2nd.İopened our doors for the reception of members.
3rd.  called for reference.
4th.  Agreeable to a petition sent to the Pisgah Baptist Church of Christ, came forward Daniel BRIGGS and Phillip SCOBER as presbytery and set apart the following members as a church to keep house for the Lord, towit:
 
Miles   VERNON.................Absolum COLEMAN.........................Augustine BREEDWELL
Daniel  CATE*.................... Robert ELDER**.............................. James LILLARD
William ZEGLAR................ Chapman SWART........................... Thomas MORELAND
John DUKE
Ann VERNON (nee ATCHLEY b. 1787).......Elizabeth FUNCANNON....Polly LILLARD
Clora COLEMAN.............Ava CATE**.........Nancy BREEDWELL.....Nancy COLEMAN
Ann KINCANNON
So dismissed in order"
*Daniel CATE husband of Ava Elder Cate and son of John Jr. and May CATE
**Robert ELDER son of Samuel & Hannah ELDER, father of Ava Elder Cate, husband of (1) Sarah Moore. aebpİ "Ava CATE was daughter of Robert ELDER,wife of Daniel CATE.  Andrew and Elizabeth Kincannon were witnesses to will of Matthew ELDER. Botetourt County, VA., 1783 (Annals of Southwest Virginia, 1769-1800, by Hon. Lewis P. Summers)."
 
The above Robert ELDER is the only son of Samuel and Hannah ELDER to live long enough for the 1850 and 1860 census.  Robert gives place of birth as Virginia.aebp
 
Mrs.Horn found numerous deeds,among them is one that give place of birth once more:"No. 2134, page 257. Robert ELDER enters as gen. enterer this day NW qr Sec. 4. Fr. Twn. R. Range 3 W. of meridian, County of Rhea, Hiawassee Dist. Beg. at NW corner said q4., ect. 160 acres 26 Nov 1825. I assign the within cert. copy to grant No. 2994 issued. (John ELDER, son of Robert ELDER. Robert P.MAYES, relative of EUBANK family, all from Virginia."
TITHABLES IN WASHINGTON COUNTY, VIRGINIA, IN 1782, AtİHistorical Society Of Washington County, Virginia. Publications Series II, No. 9, July 1971, published inİSeries II, No. 7 and No.8
(Numbers following names mean number of slaves owned

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: Joseph Reese <joseph.reese@snet.net>
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 20:16:01 -0400

RElder1922@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Archiebald W. Elder was a Mason. He was a Past Master of his lodge. In 1936
> in Atlantic City N.J. he was made a 33rd Degree Mason.
Do you know of a Joseph Elder who died in Atlantic City in 1988 at aprox
age 65 would appreciate any info Thanks Joseph F. Reese

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Samuel Elder 1787-1846 son of Samuel & Hannah Elder

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:46:44 -0700

SAMUEL ELDER son of  SAMUEL AND HANNAH (?) ELDER 

ELDER, Samuel son of Samuel & Hannah ELDER ‚ 1787 - 1846

Dan you have expressed interest in the fact that some of these ELDER'S may have gone to Kym some were born in KY.  Samuel ELDER the son Samuel & Hannah (?) ELDER. Brothers: Andrew, Robert, William, Jacob, John and daughter Esther (ELDER) WIDNER (wife of Michael) (as sp. in Samuel's will) ap.  "HISTORY OF THE EARLY SETTLERS SANGAMON COUNTY, ILLINOIS. "CENTENNIAL RECORD."  BY JOHN CARROLL POWER ASSISTED BY HIS WIFE, MRS. S. A. POWER". Page 282 - "ELDER, SAMUEL, born June 22, 1787, in North Carolina, or Sevier Co., Tenn. (There is a second source on Samuel's place of birth "Sevier Co". (NOTE: Tennessee was still a part of NC. aebp. We have the sources  the Samuel ELDER family was in what would become Tennessee  as prior to Tennessee becoming a state.  ELDER, SAMUEL, born June 22, 1787, in North Carolina or Sevier County, Tenn.  Phebe Clinkenbeard was born Dec. 26, 1798, in Sevier Co., Tenn.  They were married March 30, 1813 in that county, and had three children there.  They moved to Bourbon Co., KY. Where one child was born, thence to Scott Co., Ind., where they had five children.  After seven years residence there, they returned to Bourbon Co., KY. where they had seven children, and the family moved to Sangamon Co., ILL., arriving Nov 27, 1834, in what is now Rochester township, where they had four children.  Of their twenty children, five died in infancy.

Lavina, b. Feb. 12, 1815, in Tennessee, m. Sangamon Co., to William Clinkenbeard. (See his name the author indicates in this book)ap 

Harrison, b. Feb. 29, 1816, in Sevier Co.,unty, ILL. (Obvious error). aebp to Jonathan Constant.

p. 283

James, b. Oct 24, 1821 in Scott Co., Ind. m. in Sangamon Co., ILL. to Harriet Walker.  They had seven children.  Hiram d. as an infant.  Sarah J. d. Sept. 14, 1859, age fourteen., and William W. the fifth child, d., aged three years.  Lydia E. b. Oct. 5, 1849 was m. Feb.23, 1871, to Joseph F. Ellington,  b. Oct. 17, 1843, in Bath Co., KY.  They have one child James A, and reside one mile north of Buffalo.  Mary L., b. Nov. 19, 1852, married Frances J., b. Sept 16, 1859, and Harriet A. b. July 4, 1867, reside with their parents, two miles north of Buffalo Sangamon Co., ILL.

Rachel, b. Dec. 8, 1822, in Indiana, died in Sangamon Co. Nov., 1835.

Sarah, b. March 4, 1825, in Scott Co., Ind. was married in Sangamon Co., to Jotham S. Rogers.  They had two children in Springfield.  Hanson G. d. aged eight years.İ Mary L., b. July 14, 1850, was married in Springfield, May 29, 1873 to John Hunter, b. March 31, 1841, in Philadelphia.İ They reside in Washington, D.C., Jotham S. Rogers d. in Springfield in 1851, and his widow m. Isaac Lindsay.  They have five children and reside near Sullivan, Moultrie Co., ILL.

Jonathan, b. July 24, 1826, in Bourbon Co., KY. was m. in Sangamon Co., to Josephine Flagg.  They had one child, Iva who was m. in Springfield, ILL. To Leonard Gardner and have two children.İ Mrs. Josephine Elder died, and he married Sarah Wolvern.İ They have five children, and reside near Sullivan, Moultrie county, ILL.

Mercy, born Jan. 7, 1829, in Bourbon county, KY. was married in Sangamon county to Isaac Lindsay. Isaac, b. March 12, 1830, in Bourbon Co.. KY., married Nov. 3, 1853 to Harriet Lanning, in Springfield.  She was born March 6, 1835, in Auglaize Co., OH. They have three living children, Charles A. Edward B. and Isaac N., and live one and a half miles northeast of Lanesville, Sangamon Co., ILL. İConitnued  aebp

 

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Part II - Samuel Elder 1787-1846 Son of Samuel & Hannah Elder

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:03:00 -0700

 

Part II Samuel Elder 1787-1846 son of Samuel and Hannah Elderİ

Samuel S., b. May 5, 1831, in Bourbon Co., KY, was m. in Springfield, Dec. 17, 1851 to Sarah A. SHIVES, b. July 4, 1833, in Pennsylvania.  They had two children, Augusta J. m. Dec. 17, 1875, to Lewis Allen CONSTANT.  They live in Springfield.  William G. died in his third year.  S. S. ELDER has been for many years and is now engaged in the tin ware and stove business, resides in Springfield.

 

Elizabeth F. b. May 30, 1832 in Kentucky, was married in Sangamon Co. in 1850 to Ethan P. MAY. Born June 12, 1829.  They had thirteen children; two died young. Mary E. born March 15, 1851, married George Enlow, and lives in Rochester, ILL. George W.,Sarah E,, Fannie A., Martha A., Charles, William D., Harriet J., Emma L., Samuel L., Augusta L. and Frederick T.  The family reside in Rochester, Sangamon Co., ILL.

Sanai Ann, b. June 16, 1833 in Kentucky, was married in Sangamon Co. to Franklin HOYT.  They had one child, James. E. and Mr. Hoyt died.  His widow married E. P. WALKER. They had two children, Samuel M. and Chester, who reside with their mother.İ Mr. Walker enlisted and died in the army.  His widow m. William HUNTER, who was born in Philadelphia.İ They have two children, Dora and Willie, who reside with their parents, in Jacksonville, ILL. 

Harriett, b. August 14, 1835, in Sangamon Co.  m. Jan 11, 1855 to Levie F. DYSON,  b. Nov. 1841, near Poolesville, Montgomery Co. MD.,  Mr. Dyson came to Springfield in Nov.,1841, and engaged in the stove and tinware business, which he continues to the present time.

David L., b. May 25, 1839, in Sangamon Co. was m. in Sullivan,Co. ILL., to Mary BERRY. They have two children, James and William, and reside in Springfield, Illinois.

(Mary Berry was the daughter of Rebecca Elder daughter of James & Didama (French) Elder,  Mary's mother Rebecca Elder married Lewis Berry, Rebecca died young.  Mary Berry married her father James Elder's uncle or her great-uncle.? Aebp

Hannah R., b. July 1, 1841, in Sangamon Co. was the twentieth child.  She was married Feb. 9, 1858 to George P. SIDENER, b. Dec. 5, 1833, in Bourbon  Co.,. KY.  They had seven children, two of whom died young.  Charles Lincoln, Ada A, Hanes Grant, Edward B, and Edward H. and resided north of Rochester, Sangamon Co., Illinois.

Samuel Elder died Oct. 21, 1846, and his widow resides with her daughter, Mrs. Dyson, in Springfield, Illinois.  He was about fifty nine years of age.

Opinion: I do think that some of these books dated prior to the 1900's have mis-information in them. aebp

Ann Elder-Brooks,İ2666 Derbyshire Road, Maitland, FL 32751, email - <mailto:elderbrooks@msn.com>elderbrooks@msn.com   

HELP: Does anyone the maiden name of Hannah Elder mother of Samuel? TY

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Second source of Samuel Elder son of Samuel & Hannah Ellder's birth

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:28:27 -0700

This is from Mary Brosveen sometime in the 1980's.  "Dear Ann:  In answer to your request:  PAST AND PRESENT OF THE CITY OF SPRINGFIELD 7 SANGAMON CO., ILL., Wallace 1909 Vol. II p1396
 
Under Frank A Lindsay. . . . Samuel Elder who was b. 22 June 1787 in North Carolina or Sevier Co., Tennessee.
 
Misc. Info of this family:
 
"Some of the Militia in the service of of NC, but Col. Campbell raised 400 men in Washington County Virginia (in the Battle of King's Mountain)....John Clinkenbeard (Samuel Elder married Phebe Clinkenbeard)ap belonged to Col. Christian's Company.
 
"Please Ann, Consider This:
 
The possibility that out Samuel Elder, Sr. (we used the Sr to avoid our own confusion between the father and son)aebp d 1809, was son of Andrew Elder, Sr. and a brother of the Andrew Elder, Jr. who died in Grainger County, Tennessee (papers enclosed).  This Andrew was born in Chester County, Pennsylvania  and was with his father Andrew Elder Sr. in Botetourt Co VA..In the Fork of the James at the same time that Mathew Elder of Washington Co. Virginia, was at the Fork of the James...Andrew Elder Jr. was b in Chester Co.,  PA. moved to Botetourt Co., Virginia, then to Grainger Co Tennessee.  THIS FAMILY SEEMS TOO CLOSE TO DISCOUNT IN OUR SEARCH...DO YOU AGREE?İİİSee enclosed petition.....
 
Here is my information on the two men who were possibly brothers..at least they moved thought the different states together:
 
Matthew Elder b. c 1722                                Andrew Elder, Sr.
d 1783 Washington Co VA mentioned            b c 1725-1730
selling plantation at forks of James                d.
River in will. Children: Andrew                                        I
Agnes, Martha, Jane, Mary,
Rebecca, Robert                            ----------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                 Andrew Elder, Jr.İİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİSamuel Elder, Sr.
James Robert execİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİİb, 1747 Chester Co PA       b c 1755 ???????
                                                 d. 1834 Grainger Co., TN.İİİd 1809 Sevier Co., TN."
Mary has crossed through theİ1843 and put 1834.
 
Andrew son of Matthew
b. 1737 in VA (think this may be an error andİ
should be PA..(MB)
d, 11-9-1807 Richmond, Madison Co. KY
Children: John b. 1770
Mathew b. 1773, Cicelia, Alex, Nancy, Eliz. & David.
 
Court of Botetourt CoİVirginia 9 August 1774İSurveys Ordered that Thomas Wheeler serve Mathew Elder, his master according to law......(he ran away several times) aebpİİ
Elder, Mathew 18 August 1781 400 acres Middle Fork of Holston.
 
Washington Co Wills 29 April 1783 Mathew Elder...Children:  Andrew, Agnes, Martha, Jane, Mary, Rebecca, Robert & James       Robert Exec.  Mentions sale of plantation at the Fork of the James.
 
Is it possible that we are hung up on the three brothers who went to Norfolk and the Georgia Elders.
 
We may instead, stem from the following part of the family:
Alexander Elder of Scotland
son
Robert b 1679 Scotland
d. 1748 Paxtang Co., PA (Originally Lancaster)'
sons
Rev. John educated in Scotland, b. 1706 Edinborough, d. 1814 /Dauphin (orig. Lancaster)
m. 2nd 1751
The famous FIGHTING PARSON
of the REVOLUTION.
 
son:
James
b. c 1712 Scotland
d. 1759 Franklin (orig. Lancaster)
m. 2nd 1759 ?
 
Both brothers left Scotland (and their father went with them) stopped in County Atrim, Ireland and came on to America.  Rev. John was ordained in this country circa 1730.
 
I have more material but think I may have you fully confused by now.  This family did work their was down through Botetourt to Washington , (VA) to Sullivan and Grainer of Tenn. & some went on into Kentucky."
Mary Elizabeth Lindsay (Brosveen) line:
 
Samuel Elder, Sr.
d. 1809 Sevier Co., Tenn.
 
Samuel Elder, Jr.b 1787 in Sevier Co Tenn. or North Carolina (so stated in County Hist.)
 
Sarah Elder (Lindsay) b. Illinois
 
William Edwin Lindsay b. Illinois
 
Isaac E. Lindsay b. Illinois
 
Mary Elizabeth Lindsay (Brosveen)
 
May 25, 1982 (prior to these letters).
 
Several years ago, as a result of so many requests for information on my various lines, (over 100 of them), I decided to into genealogy on a professional basis, but requests for my services have grown so fast that I am now only to your letter of Feb. 28, 1982  I sent in six new supplemental ancestors last June, and while they cashed my check----have not heard a word from them.  I am sorry to say that I spent considerable amount of time onİthe Elder line when again in Salt Lake City this years, but found nothing to really apply to our Sam Sr. (wife Hannah...............)except  a land purchase inthe 1790's (there are two)aebp I have found leads in various locations  but simple cannot connect yet.İ
 
The DAR Robert's were born in 1730, 1732, 1742k 1734, 1751 and 1760.
Mary Lindsay Brosveen"     (by Ann ELder-Brooks Poe).
 
I have not heard from Mary in two years, the last time she called I felt almost a despration to find this Elder line.  I have wondered about her health.  I really do not want to call, at least now.. aebp

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:38:25 -0700

Mr. Reese,

Your surname is found in every line of my family, I am an Elder, TN. my
grandfather ws James Reese Elder/also found through bad communication as
Reece.  This name has been passed through th family as of now three
generations.  Many of us name a child Reese, wheter gril or boy.  I s is
beautiful name.

Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Reese <joseph.reese@snet.net>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER


> RElder1922@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Archiebald W. Elder was a Mason. He was a Past Master of his lodge. In
1936
> > in Atlantic City N.J. he was made a 33rd Degree Mason.
> Do you know of a Joseph Elder who died in Atlantic City in 1988 at aprox
> age 65 would appreciate any info Thanks Joseph F. Reese
>

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Continuatuin if Andrew Ekder and it is short.

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:06:04 -0700

Hi Joyce and all, while I've had sometime but about to head back to work.
We either have two men by the name of Andrew with almost two identical Rev
war pesions applications.  Andrew of Grainger Co TN. states he had a brother
Mathew who was killed during the Rev. near Baskin Ridge and buried in same
area.  Mathew Elder who died 1783 does ot name a Mathew??  Someone surely
knows something to help.  No descendants? Thanks, Ann P.
----- Original Message -----
From: <JJSlaton@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Continuatuin if Andrew Ekder and it is short.


> Hi Ann & All,
> Re this post of 9/2/99:
> <<ELDER, Andrew - 1748-1834 -Robert Elder, son of Matthew who died in
1783.
> Robert was born in 1760 in York County, PA.  In 1796 he moved to Lincoln
> County, Kentucky where he died in 1839.  While living in Rockbridge
County,
> Virginia, Robert ELDER served in the American Revolution; he was in the
> Battle of Kings Mountain in 1780 (pension application No. S-12865,
National
> Archives).  Robert Elder was married about 1785 to Rebecca Robinson (b.
Oct.
> 21, 1762, VA.;d.April 25, 1839 in KY).  Their children were Matthew*,
Andrew,
> James, Mary, Robert (d. April 1, 1851); Married Jane ______). Rebecca,
> William, and Jane. VJN,  I do not recall Matthew being named in his
fathers
> will?  I will have to check that again.  Matthew is said by Andrew Elder
of
> Grainger Co., TN. Matthew his brother was killed during the Rev and buried
in
> Baskin Ridge,NJ..aebp
>
> James Elder, son of Matthew who died in 1783, married Sarah Rush on Dec.
5,
> 1797 Washington Co., VA.  VKN  I would have to check but I am almost sure
> James married (2) Sarah Rush. aebp>>>
>
> James Elder b ca 1763 probably York Co Pa, d Lincoln Co KY, md 1. Margaret
> Riley 12 Sep 1789 Rockbridge Co Va - one daughter Margaret b 20 Apr 1793
> Lincoln Co KY,  d. 5 Mar 1858 Pike Co IN; md 3 Dec 1816 William E.
McCormack.
> James md. 2. Sarah Rusk[h] 5 Dec 1797 Washington Co Va and had five
children:
> Andrew 1801-1870;  Mathew 1802-after 1850 md Rebecca Jamison;  Sarah
> 1804-1892, md Jesse Carter 1824 Lincoln Co KY;  James b ca 1806-10;
Robert
> S. b ca 1812 d 1857 possibly Meade Co KY.
>
> Mathew Elder who died 1783 Washington Co Va did not name a son Mathew in
his
> will - it is unlikely that he did not name a son Mathew as this name has
been
> used in each generation of descendents that I have record of down to at
least
> the late 1800s, including my grgrgrandfather Mathew Robinson McCormack who
> was the son of Daniel McCormack and Rebecca Elder , d/o Robert Elder &
> Rebecca Robinson.
>
> In my research of irish records I found a Mathew Elder born 1703 to Andrew
> Elder and Anne Ripley of Templemore, Londonderry Co Ireland.  Other
children
> are consistent with names that have continued in my Elder line.  No proof
> that this is my Mathew who died 1783 but what may be a very warm clue.  A
> cousin went to Templemore and copied Elder records of Derry Cathedral and
> tried to find further record of the Mathew born and christened 1803 but
with
> no luck. So it is possible that the 1803 Mathew migrated in the 1740s when
so
> many Ulster Scots came from Ireland to Pa.  Based on the order of mention
in
> Mathew's 1783 will, I have the children's birth order as follows:  [no
proof
> !]
> Andrew 1745-48 , md Margaret Collier, to Madison co KY;
> Agnes, md before 1783 [wm] Robinson;
> Martha md before 1783 __ Bowls/Boals;
> Jane md before 1783 John Collier;
> Robert b 1760, md 1783 Rebecca Robinson;
> Mary b 22 jan 1761, md Wm Snodgrass & went to Sullivan co TN;
> James ca 1763 md 1789 Margaret Riley, md 1797 Sarah Rusk[h];
> Elizabeth md 1779 James Robinson;
> Rebecca died unmarried  1839 at age 77 Lincoln Co Ky;
> Sarah, md 1785 James Jamison;
>  & Mathew ?? placed probably after Andrew ?? - supposition only!
>
> Hope this information helps someone.
> Joyce J. Slaton
>

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: RElder1922@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:29:21 EDT

SORRY! DO NOT KNOW HIM.

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Andrew Elder 1748-1834

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:40:55 -0700

 ELDER, ANDREW

"ANDREW ELDER 1748 ‚ 1834 GRAINGER COUNTY, TENNESSEE

A Tri-Annual Publication of The East Tennessee Historical Society

Volume 1, Number 2, August, 1985, Page 86.

ADDENDUM TO THE GRAINGER COUNTY, TENNESSEE TAX LIST FOR 1822

Capt. R. McGinnis's Company (p.9)İ

face=Arial>ANDREW ELDER

Born 1748, Charles (Chester) Co., Pa.; moved to Botetourt Co., Va., by 1776; after Revolution to Washington Co., Va,  then to Sullivan Co., Tenn; settled in Grainger Co., Tenn.  Died 30 May 1834. (Reference: Revolution War Pension Application R-3278)  Andrew Elder's will, dated 28 August 1824, recorded 4 November 1834. (Grainger County Loose Wills 

Andrew Elder married Elizabeth Snider (Snyder) 22 May 1806, Grainger Co.  She was living in 1850, age 92.

Andrew Elder was perhaps the son of Matthew Elder whose will, probated in Washington Co., Va., in 1783, names a son Andrew. (Washington Co.  Will Book 1, p. 70)

NOTE:  I have not yet found any descendants of Andrew Elder.   Mrs. Gordon  (Virginia K.) Nelson, 3520 Bluff Point Drive, Knoxville, TN. 37920."

Virginia Knight Nelson did the most accurate book we have, FAMILIES ENAMED ELDER IN EAST TENNESSEE, 1985.  More information has been found since then. aebp

 Mrs. Nelson book is dated 1986.  I have never found or heard for any of the descendants of Andrew Elder. That is well over thirteen years, longer when you add the amount of time we all did so much research.İI would think some descendant would be interested in Andrew Elder.

Mrs. Dudley Lee (Ann Elder) Poe, III, 2666 Derbyshire Road, Maitland, FL 32751.

September 6, 1999

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Subject: [Elder-News]: "Woody" & a lady I think "Joy"

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:49:44 -0700

Would you two please contact me, your working on David Elder son's John Lee Elder, today if possible, my address book did not make the "new move" so I am rebuilding it.
 
Thank you,
 
Ann Poe elderbrooks@msn.com

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER, David

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:32:19 -0700

ELDER, David 

1840 Sevier County Tennessee Census

David Elder and two of his sons. 

Page 165

William R. Elderäää.30001-100001..(son of David Elder born Lincoln Co NC, they were in Sevier a short time)aebp  David owned two large land grants.  This was sold (as a partnership) to the Epsom Salts Co.;location  Alum Cave or Bluffs, in the Smoky Mountains.) Information available on the above business) aebp

Page 166

Benjamin Elderääää00011-00001..(Benjamin Hyde Elder son of David Elder brother of the above William R. Elder)aebp

David Elderäääää.0000001-0ä..(David Elder father of the above Elder's; also found on the 1840 Macon Co NC census where the rest of his family was living at home;1850 Macon County NC Census is an excellent census to read you will be able to locate the place of birth of the majority of the people as well as the neighbors to these people.)  They do not appear to be related to any of the Elder's living in Jefferson or Sevier Counties, TN. aebp                                                                                                       

Conclusion: David was in Sevier County "on business". aebp

I  have the history of the Epsom Salt Co. which is more than I want to type. aebp

C: Jack Lee McGehee - 1/1999               

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: James Bailey Elder, Clay Co. Missouri

From: JJSlaton@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:39:27 EDT

Hello Patrick,

I may be able to help you  as some of my  Elder branches went from Ky to Mo - 
also from Ky to In to parts west.  When was your father born?  I will go 
through my material and see what I can find.  Bailey is a common  name in my 
McCormack-Elder line and there were lots of marriages between the McCormacks 
and Elders from Va to Ky to In to IL.

If you know the county where your father died, you should be able to find his 
death certificate with parents listed - also the funeral home that handled 
his burial should have records to help you.

will get back to you as soon as possible.
Joyce J. Slaton in Butler Co OH

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER'S

From: JJSlaton@aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:09:05 EDT

Hi Ann,

I am so intrigued by these obviously two Andrews and the similarities that I 
just have to devote some time to this. I am working agin but only part time. 
I live about 100 miles from Madison Co KY so plan to go to there and see what 
I can find to add more definitive data -- or confusion -- to our information. 

These Pa to Va Elder families must be related - the migration paths and name 
patterns are just too similar to be coincidental.  In my branch of the 
family, they always migrated in groups of multiple families.

Later, 
Joyce 

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Subject: [Elder-News]: James Bailey Elder

From: Lee Elder <elder@trailnet.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:04:41 -0500

Hi Joyce:
I have a James Bialey Elder who married Sarah Martha Sutton in my Elder
Directory.
They had two children, Bailey Jackson Elder, and James Leslie Elder
James Leslie Elder and Carrie Maude Webber had three children,
Theron Drew Elder, Ruby Maxine Elder, and James David Elder

Is this part of your family?
Lee M. Elder

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Subject: [Elder-News]: James Dickey Elder

From: "J. B. Hitt, II ." <jbhitt@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:20:35 -0400

Ann, I'm still stuck on James Dickey Elder b c 1815 who m Margaret Dodd c 1840.  I think James Dickey was born near Princeton Ky. and Margaret was b near Somerset or Danville Ky.  James Dickey was the son of George Elder who m Nancy Agnes Henry.  I'd love to know more about siblings, just where they lived, and when they left.  I'll happily share whatever I know about any of them.  I haven't figured out how to export fgs so I'll just mail them to anyone who is interested.  Thanks  J B Hitt.

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Subject: [Elder-News]: David Elder

From: Lee Elder <elder@trailnet.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:25:34 -0500

Hi Everyone:
I have a David Elder b. 10-14-1794 in Lincoln Co. NC.  d. 06-30-1856
Married to Susanna Hyde b. 04-12-1799 d. 07-10-1864
They had elevcen children, No 1. William R. Elder  No 2. Benjamin Hyde
Elder
I have over 1000 in this directory if anyone is interested, Let me know.

Lee M. Elder

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: James Bailey Elder

From: Patrick and Tami Elder <patrick@icon.net>
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:37:35 -0500

Hi Lee,

Yes, that is my family.  Theron Drew is my grandfather who died in is 90's
a few years ago and did a lot of geneology research.  He would have loved
this venue.  Can you lead me back on James Bailey Elder???

Thanks,

Patrick Elder

Lee Elder wrote:

> Hi Joyce:
> I have a James Bialey Elder who married Sarah Martha Sutton in my Elder
> Directory.
> They had two children, Bailey Jackson Elder, and James Leslie Elder
> James Leslie Elder and Carrie Maude Webber had three children,
> Theron Drew Elder, Ruby Maxine Elder, and James David Elder
>
> Is this part of your family?
> Lee M. Elder

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: James Bailey Elder, Clay Co. Missouri

From: Patrick and Tami Elder <patrick@icon.net>
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:57:01 -0500

Hi and thanks,

I will try to find some dates, I know he married a Sutton and had two children
named Bailey and James Leslie, who was my great grandfather.

Thanks,

Patrick Elder

JJSlaton@aol.com wrote:

> Hello Patrick,
>
> I may be able to help you  as some of my  Elder branches went from Ky to Mo -
> also from Ky to In to parts west.  When was your father born?  I will go
> through my material and see what I can find.  Bailey is a common  name in my
> McCormack-Elder line and there were lots of marriages between the McCormacks
> and Elders from Va to Ky to In to IL.
>
> If you know the county where your father died, you should be able to find his
> death certificate with parents listed - also the funeral home that handled
> his burial should have records to help you.
>
> will get back to you as soon as possible.
> Joyce J. Slaton in Butler Co OH

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER'S

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:31:32 -0700

Joyce,
I was just getting ready to write you, I hope all these wonderful ELDER'S
will decide to work on the Elder-News.  I am learning, we are all learning.
It is good to see so many of us "out and about".  I am worn out tonight, one
day back and "pow" it was and us going to be a very trying few weeks.  I
need to run a Robert Elder by you, I found one near yours or the area,  Most
of our Robert's have been Eastern Shore Robert's.  I wonder if this man
might be Matthew's brother?  I need more time to work this one up.

I plan to answer on the EN, it works well for all of us. I am so glad to see
you back.

Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: <JJSlaton@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER'S


> Hi Ann,
>
> I am so intrigued by these obviously two Andrews and the similarities that
I
> just have to devote some time to this. I am working agin but only part
time.
> I live about 100 miles from Madison Co KY so plan to go to there and see
what
> I can find to add more definitive data -- or confusion -- to our
information.
>
> These Pa to Va Elder families must be related - the migration paths and
name
> patterns are just too similar to be coincidental.  In my branch of the
> family, they always migrated in groups of multiple families.
>
> Later,
> Joyce
>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: James Baily Elder

From: Lee Elder <elder@trailnet.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 15:00:21 -0500

Hi Patrick::

Here is the family:
James Bailey Elder
m. Sarah Martha Sutton
  1. Bailey Jackson Elder
  2. James Leslie Elder
     m. Carrie Maude Webber
          1. Theron Drew Elder b. 1904
              m. Bretta Orenderff
                  1. James Theron Elder
          2. Ruby Maxine Elder  b. 1915
              m. John Horace Day
          3. James David Elder  b. 1918
              m. Virginia May Wall

These and more are all in my Elder Book.
Lee

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER, David

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:22:58 -0700

ELDER, David - This is from a history of a church called "Ocona Lufta Baptist Pioneer Church of the Smokies 1836-1939, Text by Florence Cope Bush. This church is not in use today but still exists and it a wonderful white church on a hill in the woods just outside of the Smokies. "Mt Zion Baptist Church supposedly occupied the same location as the present day Lufty Baptist Church.  It was organized before 1829 by Rev. Humphrey POSEY & Rev. Adam CORN. Some of the earliest settlers belonged to Mt. Zion. " "An organizational meeting was held June 6, 1836 in the home of Dr. John MINGES.  Those attending: Rev. Adam CORN & Rev David ELDER, Robert COLLINS, Elizabeth COLLINS, Ephraim MINGES, Sopha MINGES, John BECK, Jane BECK, John WATSON, Susannah WATSON, Jacob BECK, Nancy BECK, Samuel BECK, Cinthy BECK, Samuel CONNER, Elizabeth STILWELL and Masy MINGES.  Robert COLLINS and Ephraim MINGES as deacons".In 1880 a building committee consisting of: William  Alexander, J. H. Queen, H. J. Beck, W. H. Conner, M. Treadway and F. M. Barton. Some of the minutes have been transcribed.  "The Mt. Zion Church 1829--this church was built by Elders Humphry POSEY, & Adam CORN. Some of the older members BECKS, MINGUS,and CONNERS etc. Elder Samuel GIBSON was ordained in 1834 by David ELDER & Adam CORN.İ I am trying to convey the names only. Part I To Be Continued  Ann Poe

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:51:49 -0700

ELDER's HI...Joyce I read your post about having Elder's in MO.  We (TN) had
a considerable # who went to MO. and onward, many remained.  Some of the
Elder's in Moultrie Co, IL left IL and moved to MO, they were after 1850 the
IL ones.  Please watch for them, if you think you have a find.  Thanks, Ann
P.

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder Book

From: Lee Elder <elder@trailnet.com>
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:59:51 -0500

Hi Nancy:
All you ;lhave to do is send me $35.00 and I will send you a book
postpaid.
I will need your address in order to mail it to you.
My temporary mailing address is Lee M. Elder, 717 East White Mountain
Dr. #5,
Ruidoso, NM. 88345.

I live in San Angelo, Tx. but we come up here in May each year and stay
until October. I have books up here with me and can mail it from here.
Lee


Ether43@aol.com wrote:

> Lee,
> How does one go about getting an Elder Book?
> Nancy

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder Book

From: Ether43@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:28:56 EDT

Thanks Lee!
The check is in the mail
Nancy

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder Book

From: Lee Elder <elder@trailnet.com>
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 16:25:57 -0500

Hi
Thanks and I hope your address is on the envelope
Lee

Ether43@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks Lee!
> The check is in the mail
> Nancy

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Subject: [Elder-News]: James ELDER, Sr., of Armstrong & Clarion Cos. PA

From: Sharhuff@aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:41:06 EDT

Our plans are to publish the formal edition of James ELDER, Sr., about the 
summer of 2000.  Deadline for additional information is 1 Nov 1999, and may 
be sent to me at the below address.

Sharon A. Huffman--428 N. Volutsia Ave., Wichita KS 67214-4629
or e-mail:  sharhuff@aol.com.

Thanks!

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Robert ELDER, Back Creek, Frederick Co., VA.?

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:14:31 -0700

ELDER, Robert - Does anyone know ofİthe Robert Elder who was on Back Creek in Frederick Co., VA. (now Berkeley Co. WV.)? First thoughtİour Elder's might be related to the Robert Elder family found in Lancaster and Cumberland counties, PA. "I thought perhaps our Robert Elder might have come through Cumberland Co.İCumberland Co deeds does not show a Robert Elder until 1782. I now suspect that our Robert probably does not descend from this family, but did likely come through PA. and likely was related in some way.  Recall that we also have the Andrew and Matthew ELDER families to fit into the picture, both are also likely of Scots - Irish origin."
 
Then I thought this Robert ELDER was the Robert ELDER "who came from Virginia" to Tryon Co. NC. in 1770. Possibly the father of the Samuel Elder who is found in Greene Co. TN. and Sevier Co., TN. (Samuel Elder died in Sevier Co. TN.).  Robert ELDER was on Back Creek in 1749 & 1750 where he had a warrant for 100a. on the north side of Back Creek. This tract was granted to Robert ELDER March 5, 1749/50. (Northern Neck Patients, H:272. I found several more on Robert ELDER.  The last date (if he was still in Back Creek) 9 June 1769 - 6 Oct. 1770 153a. on W. side, North Mt. & E. side Back Creek; adj. His own 296 a. tract.  Wm Cochran, Robt Jackson's 276a & Jacob Snider's 82a.  (Abstracts of Virginia's NORTHERN NECK WARRANTS & SURVEYS 1653 - 1781, Vol. V, Compiled by Peggy Shomo Joyner (page 70 under "Surveys Not Acted On" (aebp). It would seem this Robert Elder may not be the same Robert found in Tryon Co., NC.   Robert probably came through PA. to Back Creek.  The David Elder found with Robert and Samuel (if this is the same Robert) could not be Robert's son and brother of Samuel Elder as the David Elder I know of was b. ca 1794 Lincoln Co NC as was a William Elder (this William is not to be confused with the William Elder, son of Samuel & Hannah ( ? ) ELDER.  Perhaps the above Robert ELDER is not the same man found in Tryon Co., NC. Any help would be appreciated.  Ann Poe

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Rev. David Elder

From: Watcher881@aol.com
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:33:45 EDT

Hello Elder cousins.

I think I have actually done it this time and I am on the Elder news.

My name is Rev Woody L McGehee (Jack McGehee).  I am the great great great 
grandson of Rev David Elder.  His son was John Lee Elder and John's Daughter 
was Carintha A Elder who married my great grandad James McGehee. 

Thank you for allowing me to be a part of the Elder News.

Jack

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Robert ELDER of Back Creek

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:15:40 -0700

Robert ELDER was married to Elizabeth, maiden name unknown.  Robert & Elizabeth ELDER both signed a deed by their mark. "From naming patterns, it certainly seems quite possible that Matthew ELDER was related to our line, and quite possibleİRobert Elder was a brother of Matthew Elder.  Mathew is thought to have been born ca. 1722, and died testate in 1783 in Washington Co., VA. leaving children Andrew, Agnes, Martha, Jane, Mary, Rebecca, Robert and James.  Washington Co. was created in 1776 >from Fincastle, in 1772 from Botetourt, in turn created from Augusta Co., NO EARLY ELDER Deeds were found in Augusta or Botetourt."  I hope some one knows these families, it certainly would help me, and others.aebp
 
"I note that Mathew Elder Sr of Washington Co VA. did not name a son Mathew ELDER in his will - which would fit with his having a son of this name who died in the Revolution." J. Butcher May 1989.İ The testimony of James Shields (testified for Andrew Elder who settled in Grainger Co TN.) aebp suggests a possible connection to Maryland, Presumably, Matthew Elder may have moved from Chester to York Co., Penn., then into Maryland.  I believe that these moved through Frederick Co., Maryland.  In particular, I note that the will of Alexander McKeen Jr. of Frederick Co., Maryland, dated 28 Feb. 1765 and proven 25 May 1765, was witnessed by Mathew ELDER, Andrew ELDER and William PURSLEY (Western Maryland Genealogist, 2:129. This is presumably the Matthew who died in Washington Co., VA., and the Andrew mentioned here was perhaps his son (then aged 17), or else his (hypothetical?) brother of the same name.İ Frederick Co Maryland is just across the Potomac from the Back Creek area of Virginia, where our Robert ELDER lived.İ Unfortunately, the Frederick County, Maryland deeds are not available to me here in abstract.  I note however that these Elder's do not seem to have been related to the William ELDER (Catholic) who left a will in Frederick Co., in 1773.İ
 
I did find that one James ELDER made a will in New Loudon twp., Chester Co. on 9 Jan. 1766, proven 18 June 1766.İ He appointed his brother Robert Elder executor, "if alive", otherwise John Fleming to be executor.İ James left bequests to his daughter Martha Elder, brother Robert Elder, John Scott and brother John Elder's children. Witnesses were James Elder, Thomas Scott and Elizabeth (+) Hamilton.İ This James was not the son of Robert (Jr.) of Lancaster Co., as the latter's son John died childless.İ I would guess that the brother Robert referred to in James' will was not our Robert, as the latter was not living particularly nearby.  However, this is possible, given the unusual "if alive clause".   Adjacent to Chester Co., Penn. and not far from New London is New Castle Co., Delaware.  There we find one Benjamin Elder, who made a will on 23 April 1749, proven 17 May 1749.  This appoints wife Mary and son John executors, also names son Alexander and daughters Hannah and Margaret ELDER."  I hope that one of you may know of Robert Elder?İ I hope that the information may help someone looking for any of the others.  I do have more.  I had a gentleman research the Elder's especially in NC and then the attempt to find the father of Samuel ELDER who died Sevier Co TN.İ If any of you know of the Robert Elder or any of these please let me know.  Thank you.  Ann Poe  <mailto:elderbrooks@msn.com>elderbrooks@msn.com
 
 

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Subject: RE: [Elder-News]: Rev. David Elder

From: Dan Elder <dan.elder@fbcvidalia.org>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:20:27 -0400

Good to have you aboard!  Feel free to contribute to the on-going dialog in the search for our common roots among the various Elder branches.

A good start is visiting the Elder web site at:

	www.intrepid.net/genealogy/elder/

Several of us are trying to connect branches in TN, KY, MO, NC, etc. to the founding families in PA, VA, and MD.  Hope you can help.

				Dan Elder	:-)

----------
From: 	Watcher881@aol.com[SMTP:Watcher881@aol.com]
Sent: 	Saturday, September 18, 1999 2:33 AM
To: 	elder-news@intrepid.net
Subject: 	[Elder-News]: Rev. David Elder

Hello Elder cousins.

I think I have actually done it this time and I am on the Elder news.

My name is Rev Woody L McGehee (Jack McGehee).  I am the great great great 
grandson of Rev David Elder.  His son was John Lee Elder and John's Daughter 
was Carintha A Elder who married my great grandad James McGehee. 

Thank you for allowing me to be a part of the Elder News.

Jack

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Subject: [Elder-News]: James Elder Sr

From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:32:25, -0500

Please give me more information about James Elder Sr of Armstrong
& Clarion Cos, Pa.  His dates b.d. would be helpful

My James Elder Sr is of Cumberland/Franklin Cos, Pa. b.1712 d. 1818

Mary Cole
   CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
   aft. Oct 1, 1999: marycole@Prodigy.net

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Rev. David ElderSubject: [Elder-News]: Rev. David Elder

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>From: <Watcher881@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:57:49 -0700

 Jack, I am so glad you finally did it.  Ann P.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Watcher881@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:33 PM
Subject: [Elder-News]: Rev. David Elder


> Hello Elder cousins.
>
> I think I have actually done it this time and I am on the Elder news.
>
> My name is Rev Woody L McGehee (Jack McGehee).  I am the great great great
> grandson of Rev David Elder.  His son was John Lee Elder and John's
Daughter
> was Carintha A Elder who married my great grandad James McGehee.
>
> Thank you for allowing me to be a part of the Elder News.
>
> Jack
>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Maryland Catholic Elder's & other notes

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:13:23 -0700

William ELDER The Immigrant - "Elizabeth FINCH, the dau of Guy and Rebecca FINCH, was b c 1687 in Calvert County, Maryland.  In 1705 Elizabeth married William ELDER, an immigrant from Lancashire, England. William and Elizabeth (Finch) Elder had two children: Mary FINCH m. Charles BEVAN and Elizabeth FINCH m (1) William ELDER (the immigrant from Lancashire, England). They had issue:  William ELDER b. 1705, d 1775 and Thomas ELDER b c 1709 m Hannah RHILEY." WILLIAM ELDER ANCESTORS AND DESCENDANTS, by Sister Mary Louise Donnelly, 1986. Sister Donnelly states: "My joy comes from sharing with you your illustrious ELDER family history" - I spoke with Sister Donnelly some years ago about these ELDER'S, she is a very warm and gracious lady, she was also moving to Texas and I've lost her address.  I know many of you on the Elder News are very familiar with this Maryland family.aebp
 
Robert ELDERİ was very close to the above area, "along Back Creek".İİI would like to pursue the Penn. area on this Robert Elder.İIt is not easy finding a reliable genealogist who is knowledgeable about this Robert ELDER and in Penn.
 
From: Sister Mary Louise Donnelly, "Dear Ann, I greatly enjoyed your letter.  There are TWO ELDER FAMILIES in Maryland the non-Catholic group since the Catholic group moved to FREDERICK CO., MD. AND THUS MADE MY RESEARCH RELATIVELY EASIER.İ Also the brother of the WILLIAM ELDER line I completed was not a Catholic - more correctly I should say his descendants were not Catholic.  I never followed that line either but believe they are part of the Ohio ELDER'S." We have many people on here that know these Maryland Elder's. aebp
 
This is continued from the last paragraph yesterday which started: "I did find one JAMES ELDER (last paragraph)aebp
 İİ
JOHN ELDER - I also found one other early ELDER family in Maryland.  A John ELDER married in Anne Arundel Co., Maryland
on 19 Oct. 1708 Mary MORRIS.  This would appear to be the same John ELDER who made a will in Anne Arundel Co. on 29 Dec 1740, proven 11 Mar. 1740/41, appointing sons Alexander, James and Charles Elder (100 acres each), and daughter Mary.  It is interesting to note that the given name Alexander reoccurs in the Spartanburg Co., SC. family - so perhaps the John ELDER family of Spartanburg was connected to one of these last two groups."
 
"In summary, Robert ELDER would appear to have lived in Frederick Co., VA. from 1759 to at least 1767.  This fits well with his appearance in Tryon Co., NC. in 1770. This would seem to show that he was old enough to have been the father of Samuel ELDER, to whom he deemed Land." (a Robert ELDER did sell to Samuel ELDER a tract or parcel of land, but there is nothing in the deed which indicates a relationship)aebp
 
Given naming patterns, it seems quite possible that our Robert was in some way related to Matthew ELDER (of Washington Co VA) and Andrew ELDER (of Grainger Co, Tenn.)İ The available information suggests that the itinerary for this branch of the family leads from Chester to York Co., Penn., then to Frederick County, Maryland and on to Virginia.  Quite possibly our Robert Elder will be found somewhere back along this route, prior to his appearance in Frederick Co., VA. ca 1749.  First priority for continued research should be to look further into the deeds and tax lists of Chester Co., Penn.(and all other counties mentioned)aebp." J. Butcher, 1989.İ Ann Poe
 
 
 
 

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Maryland Catholic Elder's & other notes

From: Tina Sohl <tinasohl@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:06:15 -0400

Hi Ann,
I am from the William Elder Catholic line of Maryland Elders. I
understand that William converted to Catholicism when he came over from
Lancashire, England.
Is there any truth to that? If so, do you know from what faith tradition
he was from?  Has anyone any information from his ancestors from
Lancashire? 
Also, it seems the line of Elders I' m from has a fondness for music and
fiddle playing. They love to whistle a lot too! They must be happy, haha!
An ear for harmonies as well. 
Thank you Ann, for all of your time and hard work. 

Tina Marie Sohl ( Elder )

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Rev. David Elder

From: Lee Elder <elder@trailnet.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:39:08 -0500

Hi Jack:
I have William Elder
Son David Elder
son John Lee Elder
Daughter Corintha Elder
Son Jim McGehee
Son Albert Lee McGehee
Son Woody Andrew McGehee  b. 07-01-1926  Is this you?
 I have family for most of these and their brothers & sisters.

Let me hear from you.  I would be glad to send you what I have in this
whole family.  Just send me your
Mailing address.
Lee M. Elder

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: William Elder, "the Catholic"

From: "Gary E. Myer" <gmyer@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:43:21 -0400


Tina Sohl wrote:
> 
> Hi Ann,
> I am from the William Elder Catholic line of Maryland Elders. I
> understand that William converted to Catholicism when he came over from
> Lancashire, England.
> Is there any truth to that? If so, do you know from what faith tradition
> he was from?  Has anyone any information from his ancestors from
> Lancashire?
> Also, it seems the line of Elders I' m from has a fondness for music and
> fiddle playing. They love to whistle a lot too! They must be happy, haha!
> An ear for harmonies as well.
> Thank you Ann, for all of your time and hard work.
> 
> Tina Marie Sohl ( Elder )
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Get the Internet just the way you want it.
> Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month!
> Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
Hi, Tina--
Here's my conjectures about the origins of William ELDER the Catholic,
son-in-law of Arnold LIVERS:

when I first became aware that I was descended from William Elder, back
about 1975, I found writings of genealogists who had preceded me who
maintained that this William Elder was in fact an immigrant and that he
was from Lancashire.  At about this same time, Sister Mary Louise
Donnelly was busy working on her first addition of the "William Elder"
book, and I in fact supplied some material which my
great-great-grandfather, Philip J. Cahill (1804-1884), had written about
the ELDER family (Philip's wife was Sophia Cecelia Elder).

Sister Mary Louise found through her tireless research (please refer to
the 1st and 2nd editions of her book) that William Elder the Catholic
was in fact NOT the immigrant but that he was preceded by at least one
generation:  William Elder who married Elizabeth Finch, daughter of Guy
Finch.  She also discovered that this William Elder and Elizabeth Finch
had at least two children, William Elder ['the Catholic'] and Thomas
Elder.

I found, after Sister Mary Louise published her book, that there is one
mention, about 1680, in the "Archives of Maryland" (published early
records of the colony of Maryland), of a "Thomas Elder" who is connected
to a Waughop/Wachope/Wauchop [etc.] individual in southern Maryland. 
There is no further mention of this "Thomas Elder".  However,
considering that the William Elder who married Elizabeth Finch had a son
he named Thomas . . . [yes, I know the arguments against making these
kinds of assumptions, but just go with me on building this hypothesis] .
. .

Let us now turn to what we know about the surname "ELDER" and this other
surname "Wauchope" [etc.]  Both of these occur in Scotland.  And
although Lancashire is in England, there IS a county in Scotland called
"Lanarkshire" (pretty close in pronunciation, and easy to garble in two
hundred years of oral transmission).

And there were many Scots refugees who found their way to the shores of
Maryland in the late 1600's--McCubbin, Beale, Magruder, to name only a
few.

Now, what if we looked in Scotland for the occurrence of "Thomas Elder"
and "Waughope" together in the late 1600's, perhaps in Lanarkshire . . .

Don't know if anyone has pursued this, and I haven't had time, but it
would be worth a shot!

--Gary (a great-great-great-great-grandson of William Elder, "the
Catholic")

-- 
Gary E. Myer
6272 Light Point Place
Columbia, MD 21045-4435
(voice) 410-381-1699 (email) gmyer@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us
Occupation:  Librarian.  Interests:  Promisekeepers, family, genealogy.

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: James ELDER, Sr., of Armstrong & Clarion Cos. PA

From: Lelder213@aol.com
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:46:45 EDT

Sharon,
Is this the James Elder Sr. that settled in Leoti, Kansas?
Linda Elder

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: James ELDER, Sr., of Armstrong & Clarion Cos. PA

From: Sharhuff@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:19:49 EDT

Linda,

The James ELDER, Sr., represented here was born in 1769, probably PA, died 15 
Feb 1837, in what is now Clarion Co. PA.  I don't believe I have any of his  
descendants listed in Leoti KS, although a number of them settled in the 
Butler Co. KS area before going on south and west.

Sharon Huffman

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: James Elder Sr

From: Sharhuff@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:25:42 EDT

Mary, 

Although there have been some rumors that our James ELDER, Sr., was in 
Franklin Co PA sometime before going Butler, Warren, Armstrong, and what is 
now Clarion Co. PA, we have never found anything to substantiate the claim.

He was born 17 Mar 1769, probably in PA, died 15 Feb 1837 in what is now 
Clarion Co. PA.  He m/1 Catherine BUCHANAN, b 1769, d 1813; m/2 Sarah "Sally" 
HAGAN, b ca 1795 PA.  Had 11 children by his 1/w and 7 by his 2/w.

I don't believe there is a connection to Franklin, but do not completely rule 
it out.

Sharon Huffman

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: JJSlaton@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:01:56 EDT

Hi Ann & All,

I have not done any research on the Elders who were in Mo as that branch was 
a sibley of one of my ancestors and I haven't gone much beyond my main line 
of the descendents of Robert Elder & Rebecca Robinson who came from 
Washington Co VA to Licoln Co KY ca 1799. Robert was the son of Mathew Elder 
who died 1783 in Was. Co VA.

I will have to look through my Elder data and see what references I have to 
MO Elders.

Just bought a newer computer and need to transfer genealohy files from old 
one so please be patient.   

Joyce J. Slaton in Butler Co OH

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: James ELDER, Sr., of Armstrong & Clarion Cos. PA

From: Lelder213@aol.com
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:00:57 EDT

Thanks Sharon for the Elder info.
Linda

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Subject: RE: [Elder-News]: James ELDER, Sr., of Armstrong & Clarion Cos. PA

From: Dan Elder <dan.elder@fbcvidalia.org>
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:10:16 -0400

Interesting.  I have STULL ancestors who were in Clarion Co. PA from 1839 (while it still was Vanango Co) to 1870's or so.  I don't think the Elders there were mine, unless someone can tell me how they got to southern KY by 1798.

Dan Elder	:-)

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From: 	Sharhuff@aol.com[SMTP:Sharhuff@aol.com]
Sent: 	Monday, September 20, 1999 12:19 AM
To: 	elder-news@intrepid.net
Subject: 	Re: [Elder-News]: James ELDER, Sr., of Armstrong & Clarion Cos. PA

Linda,

The James ELDER, Sr., represented here was born in 1769, probably PA, died 15 
Feb 1837, in what is now Clarion Co. PA.  I don't believe I have any of his  
descendants listed in Leoti KS, although a number of them settled in the 
Butler Co. KS area before going on south and west.

Sharon Huffman

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: Watcher881@aol.com
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 00:40:25 EDT

I would be interested in any ideas anyone might have as to how and hwere my 
family came to Texas from SC.  I dont know if  David actually came to Texas 
or not.

Jack

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Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder and Margaret Scott in PA

From: "Gary L. Messing" <glm2@psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:05:46 -0500

I'm looking for any additional information on this Elder family in Centre
Co and Clarion Co, PA.

>From "Commemorative Biographical Record of Central Pennsylvania Including
the Counties of Centre, Clearfield, Jefferson and Clarion..." Volume II by
J. H. Beers 1898.  Page 1280  - Under Adam J. Elder__ "Mr. Elder was born
July 5, 1854, in Clarion Twp, Clarion Co., PA, a son of William S. and Lucy
(Kifer) Elder, and a grandson of John and Margaret (Scott) Elder.  The last
named, who was a native of Ireland, was married in PA, and both she and her
husband died in Centre County.  Their children were Mathew, Samuel, John,
William, Robert, Martha, Margaret, and Catherine.  The sons all became
residents of Clarion County, where with one exception all died.  In
religious belief th grandparents were Methodists."  The article proceeds to
give the family of William S Elder and Lucy Kifer followed by the
information for Adam Elder.
	I would like to find out more about the children of John and
Margaret (Scott) Elder.  There is a John Elder in the census records as
follows:
1800 Franklin Co, PA  p. 939  31001-21110, 1820 Bald Eagle, Centre Co, PA p
278 and 1820 Bald Eagle, Centre Co, PA  p 460.  This may be the right
family.
	Does anyone recognize this family.  Or even know John's parents?????

Becky Messing

Becky Messing
814 W. Foster Ave
State College, PA  16801
(814) 234-0561
glm2@email.psu.edu

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:42:12 -0700

    Jack,

I am getting ready to return to work, the storms are not going the way they
are supposed to.  I have all the proof you will ever need that David Elder
went to TX and died in TX.  I have been trying to get this all in one
package.  David Elder wrote a letter from Peacock TX to the railroad asking
for a survey of his land.  I have a copy of that letter.  The U. S. Census
will show his widow and the rest of his family as David died abt. 1855.  I
found David in Lincoln Co NC then Macon Co NC and I also sent you the
article from the East Tenn Hist Society publication, Tenn. Ancestors which
tells the saga of David and others, the Epsom Salts Co., etc.

I don't think David was ever in SC??????

Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: <Watcher881@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.


> I would be interested in any ideas anyone might have as to how and hwere
my
> family came to Texas from SC.  I dont know if  David actually came to
Texas
> or not.
>
> Jack
>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Thomas Elder - NC, KY

From: Bertha Emmett <sigler@ivnet.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:07:25 -0500

I recently found the location of the Elder family Bible with the
following information.  I am still looking for the names of the parents
for Thomas Elder.  Does anyone have any information on any of the
following names?

Thomas Elder born Jan 23, 1821 in NC and died Mar. 28, ___?.  He married
Elisabeth Jones, born April 29, 1916 KY and died April 29, 1916 in Adair
Co., KY.

Their Issue:
Granville Elder; b Dec 22, 1847 and d June 18, 1935 in Taylor Co, KY
Zerrilda Elder, b Jan 28, 1849 KY; d April 12, 1938 Springfield, IL.
    mar John Milton Emmett- Dec 28, 1874 Creelsburg, KY
Uanna Elder; b Jan 18, 1850 KY; d 1927; mar (--------) PHILLIPS
William Elder; b April 3, 1851 KY; d Oct 8, 1879 KY
George Elder; b Jan 19, 1853 KY; further info. unknown
Louisa Elder; b July 23, 1854 KY; d Apr 15, 1933 place unknown
Nancy Elder; b Apr 29, 1856 KY; d Sept 4, 1929; mar (-----) BRYANT
Darenda Elder; b Jan 1, 1861 KY; further info unknown
Salome Elder; b May 10, 1869 KY; further info unknown
Aramatha Elder; b June 29, 1871 KY; further info. unknown

This family lived in Adair and Russell Counties, Kentucky

Thank you,
Bertha

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: Watcher881@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:48:17 EDT

I defer to your knowledge, I am very ignorant when it comes to the Elder 
Family.

Jack

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:06:39 -0700

    Jack and all, your not at all ignorant on the Elder's.  What did you do
with the information I mailed last January?  You know your ancestor David
Elder was born in Lincoln Co NC and you know who his children were.  Did you
save any of the material I posted here?

David Elder to John Lee Elder  (both went to TX and David died in TX.  I
guess your John Lee Elder did?) you know your own straight line down.  Let's
put it together.

Take care will be in touch,

Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: <Watcher881@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.


> I defer to your knowledge, I am very ignorant when it comes to the Elder
> Family.
>
> Jack
>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: from the Elder GenForum

From: "Gary L. Messing" <glm2@psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:47:32 -0500

The following was posted on the Elder GenForum by dmaring@bigfoot.com  11-29-98
There is so much information here that I thought it should be posted on the
Elder News Listing.  Hope it helps someone.  Becky


Several years ago, I was asked to do some census lookups on an Elder family
for an individual who was looking for George W Elder, brother of Thomas J
Elder.

Just about anything that is not from the census is from one or more of
those standard county histories that help so much. Lewis Publishing Co's
1887 Kosciusko
Co, Indiana history is the source for persons in that county. No doubt that
is where I got the fact that Thomas J was married to Cynthia Daniels who
was born in PA
2 April 1808.

As for George W Elder's line, Kaler and Maring's History of Whitley County,
Indiana (Indianapolis: B F Bowen & Co, 1907) has a write-up on Abraham Elder
pages 672-674. W. A. Goodspeed's Counties of Whitley and Noble, Indiana
(1882) has entries on Jacob R. and Abraham Elder. A few of the obituaries
of Whitley
Co, IN have been extracted for publication and are in DC at the DAR
library, some typewritten.

I regret that I no longer have whatever pages I copied or hand-written
notes made when I did the project in 1994, and I am not likely to get back
to Washington, DC
anytime soon. I never expected to look at this again. So, I'm afraid that
what follows may be disappointing. At worst these few notes may help
someone get started.

The original request (July 1994) included the following:

John Elder "came to America from Northern Ireland (Ulster) just before the
Revolutionary War. He served in the war on the side of the Colonies, then
after the war,
settled in Dauphin Co, PA. and married a Mary Wright. They had nine
children who grew up there then eventually married and went west-or vice
versa. One of
them, a George Washington Elder . . . died in Whitely County, Indiana in
1860. He was a twin to a Thomas Jefferson Elder."

The requestor also sent the transcription of the LW&T of William Wright of
Hanover Twp, Lancaster Co, PA, dated 31 Aug 1782 and proved 6 Nov 1782. He
made
bequests to his wife Margaret, son-in-law John Elder and Mary his wife.
Wife Margaret was left her bed and bed furniture; all her wearing apparel;
all the household
furniture except one case of drawers; two cows, two sheep, two heifers; and
the benefits of his part of the farm and horses and farm utensils, with the
half of the
buildings, with my two boys William and Moses Dickey, the grain in the barn
for the use of the family, so long as she remains a widow. He left to his
daughter
Margaret "all my part of the Plantation at her mother's deceas or marage."
Finally, he left some personal estate to "my litel garl Mary Coner".
Executors were wife
Margaret and trusty friend James McMillan. Witnesses: Tim L. Green, Thos
McMillan, and Jas McMillan Jr. Timothy Green Esquire and Thomas McMillan
were
proving witnesses on 6 Nov 1782 before John Huble, Regr.

To John and Mary Elder her left the sum of 50 pounds, half to be paid two
years after Wright's death and half five years after. Further, "the Benefit
of the House he
has in the meadow & field beyond the House & Firewood for the Term of ten
years after my deceas if he chooses to live there, but I don't alow him to
sell his Right
to any stranger this for their full shear out of my Real & Personal Estate."

Lancaster Co, PA tax lists survive for scattered years. The tax list for
1771 does not show William Wright in Hanover. He is listed in 1772, 1773,
and 1779. He is
not on the 1782 list, but Jno Elder appears as an "inmate" which describes
someone with an independent household living on someone else's land.

Hanover Township, Lancaster Co, PA went into the formation of Dauphin Co,
PA in 1785 when it was formally divided into East Hanover and West Hanover.
In
1813, East Hanover and a little of West Hanover went into the formation of
Lebanon Co, PA. If John Elder did continue to occupy the house in the
meadow on the
Wright farm, he would have been in Dauphin Co after the change in 1785.

I did not do much with this because this area of investigation needs much
work by someone who has the time and resources to go through original
county (Lancaster,
Dauphin, and maybe Lebanon) and PA state records.

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson Elder are not named in William H
Egle's chapter on Elders in Pennsylvania Genealogies.

Based on the information I have at present, this is the best I can do. I
don't think I have anything else to add. Good luck with your search!

*****

SENECA CO, OHIO:

In 1820, Seneca County, Ohio had not been formed. It was still Indian land.
The Elders had to have been elsewhere before that. Perhaps still in PA;
perhaps
elsewhere in OH.

Applications to purchase land in Adams Twp, Seneca Co, OH (Township 3 N.
Range 16 E.) were as follows:

1824, March William Elder. Section 23.
1829, Sept Samuel Elder. Section 29.
1830, Nov Thomas J. Elder. Section 27.
1831, Feb George W. Elder. Section 27.

The 1830 census of Seneca Co, Ohio shows the following:

Hopewell Twp:
Page 142 George W. Elder 20001--00001

Adams Twp:
Page 165, line 16 Thomas J Elder 10001 --20001
Page 166, line 01 Samuel Elder 1000001--00002
Page 166, line 06 William Elder 100001 --10001

Also on page 166 is Samuel Hardsock who is probably the Samuel Hartsough, a
brother-in-law of George W. Elder who preceded the Elders to Whitley Co, IN.

George W and Thomas J were in their 20s as were their spouses. George had
two boys under age 5. Thomas had one boy and two girls under 5. [Later
we'll see that
George's boys were Jacob R and John, while Thomas's boy was named William.]
William Elder was in his 30s. Samuel Elder was in his 40s.

The 1840 census of Seneca Co, Ohio shows the following:

Adams Twp:
Page 132, line 06 T. J. Elder 011001 --211001
Page 132, line 20 Samuel Elder 01100001--120001

For T J, this can be read to mean:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx :M : F
30-39 [1800--1810] : 1 : 1
20-29 [1810--1820] : 0 : 0
15-19 [1820--1825] : 0 : 0
10-14 [1825--1830] : 1 : 1
05-09 [1830--1835] : 1 : 1
00-04 [1835--1840] : 0 : 2

****************************************************

THOMAS JEFFERSON ELDER:

Here is a little about George Washington Elder's brother, Thomas J Elder.
They were not twins. Thomas Jefferson Elder who lived in Clay Twp,
Kosciusko Co,
Indiana, one county west of Whitley Co where George W lived. He was born in
the first decade of the 1800s in PA or OH; died 20 Feb 1855. He was married
to
Cynthia Daniels who was born in PA 2 April 1808. (His widow married 2nd
Charles Hill in 1856.) Their first son, William Elder, was born 4 Feb 1826
in Seneca
Co, OH. Other children were born in Ohio between 1830 and ca 1841. Samuel
D. Elder was the first of their children born in Clay Township, Kosciusko
Co, IN.

Children known from census records:
William Feb 1826, OH
George ca 1835, OH
Sarah ca 1834, OH
Elizabeth ca 1836, OH
Jane ca 1840, OH
Amanda ca 1842, OH
Samuel ca 1844 IN
Leah ca 1846 , IN
Marquis DeL. ca 1849, IN

The Kosciusko County, Indiana census records for 1850 enumerate him in Clay
Twp, Page 382, #134 (7 Oct 1850) as Thos J Elder, 37, OH, Farmer, value of
estate: 1000; and Cynthia, 42, PA.

In 1860, Cynthia Hill was in Kosciusko Co, Clay Twp, Oneida PO. Jane,
Amanda, Samuel, Leah, and Marquis DeL. Elder were at home with her. William
and
George had their own households in the same township nearby. Cynthia
resumed use of "Elder" as her surname, for Cynthia Elder 72 is in Clay Twp,
Kosciusko Co
in 1880; self and both parents born PA. She married Charles Hill in 1856
who was deceased by 1860, and her children were all Elders, so it probably
made more
sense to be known as "Elder" than "Hill".

******************************************************

GEORGE WASHINGTON ELDER:

In 1838, George Washington Elder moved to Whitley County, IN. He was among
the earliest settlers of Troy Twp. Etna and Troy have been merged since
then to
form Etna-Troy Twp. Troy was the one on the south.

George Washington Elder was born ca 1801, in Ohio if this is correct, which
it may not be. PA makes more sense. He married Sarah Rine, sister of Joel
Rine, who
preceded the Elders to Troy Twp in 1837. Joel Rine lived one mile east of
George Washington Elder. Sarah Rine's mother Elizabeth Rine was the first
white person
to die in Troy Twp. Five children were born in OH through ca 1835. The
sixth was born in Indiana ca 1840. Altogether they had ten children, of
whom eight
survived to maturity. Names known are: Jacob R., John, Joel, Abraham,
Samuel, Mary, George, and Eliza.

After his death, his family was listed in Troy Township, Whitley Co on the
1860 census. Four children are at home with Sarah. John has married and
begun a
family. Unfortunately, most of us use the printed index to census records
put out by AISI for northern Indiana 1860, but they forgot to index Whitley
County! So I
have not accounted for Jacob and Joel.

Sarah (Rine) Elder was born ca 1805 in PA. In 1870, Sarah (65, PA) resided
with Jacob's household in Troy Twp, Whitley Co, IN. She died 14 Feb 1874 at
age
69y-5m-8d.

As of 1907, only two children of George W. and Sarah (Rine) Elder were
living: Samuel and Abraham.

* Jacob R. Elder was born 14 Feb 1827 in Seneca Co, OH. A biographical
sketch says his parents were "natives of Pennsylvania" and that his father
died in 1859 at
the age of 57. Jacob was the oldest child. He married Leah Coyle. He was
the father of a son Marion R. and two daughters, Candace and Nora. His
household is
listed again in 1880 census in Troy Twp.

* John Elder was on the 1860 census in Troy Twp (30, OH), but moved to near
Columbus, Salamanca Twp, Cherokee Co, Kansas where he died 7 Dec 1891. I did
find in Salamanca Twp, Cherokee Co, KS John Elder (40, OH) in 1870 and John
Elder (50, OH) in 1880. He says both parents were born in PA. He had wife
Mary
[June 1836, OH] and eight children: five born through Aug 1866 in IN, and
three born as early as Aug 1870 in KS. Mary, his widow, was in Columbus, KS
in
1900 with four children, including a married daughter.

* Abraham Elder was born 11 August 1834 in Seneca Co, OH. He married 19 Nov
1855 Mary Ann Harpster [1837, OH]. Abraham Elder and his father-in-law
Henry Harpster each acquired a part of the original Joel Rine tract in Troy
Twp. Thus he could say that he came to own the land where he had first gone
to school.
After retirement in 1895, he lived in Columbia City, Whitley Co. They lived
on Elm Street in 1900. He died in July 1919 (obit of the 17th says it was
the previous
Monday). Son Henry died in childhood. His son, Delbert S. [March 1869]
married Electa Winona Noble [July 1871] and they had three children --
Ralph E., Esther
M., and Ted H. -- between 1891 and 1897. Delbert managed the farm that
Henry Harpster had acquired from the Rine land. The 1870 census of Troy Twp
shows
Abram and Mary with Delbert (age 1) residing with Mary's parents. Kaler and
Maring's History of Whitley County, Indiana (Indianapolis: B F Bowen & Co,
1907)
has Abraham Elder pages 672-674.

* Samuel Elder, according to one account, left IN around the late 1870s and
moved eventually to Perry Co, Arkansas where he was said to be living ca
1907.
However, I did not find him on the 1880 or 1900 census Soundex index of AR.
In 1870, though, one Samuel G. Elder [33, OH] is listed next to John Elder
in
Salamanca Twp, Cherokee Co, KS. Samuel Elder (43, OH) was in Salamanca Twp,
Cherokee Co, KS near John Elder again in 1880. That entry lists both parents
born Ireland (which doesn't make any sense at all). In 1870, he has wife
Almira [20. OH] and two children: Edith M. [2, IN] and Delbert S. [March
1870]. In 1880,
his wife's name (difficult to read) looks like Elenora (31, OH); also there
were Edith age 12 born IN, and Delbert [10] and Zilla [7] born KS.


*********************************************

UNKNOWN:

Also in Kosciusko Co, IN in 1850 were some other Elders. I haven't figured
out whether there was a relationship or, if so, what it might have been.
For the record,
at Wayne Twp #109/109 (8 May 1850) were John Elder (39, PA) and Cath (27,
OH) and children. This John Elder was born in Bedford Co, PA on 8 April
1811.
He moved ca 1829 to Richland Co, OH. His wife was Catherine Poorman. They
lived about 2.5 miles east of Warsaw, IN. John died 4 March 1887 in Wayne
Twp.
Children were Margaret, Elizabeth, William, Robert, Catherine, Sarah,
George, Mary, Sophie, Samuel, and Isabel. Source: Lewis Publ. Co 1887
Kosciusko Co
history pages 556, 613.

In 1860, in Troy Twp, Whitley Co, In there was one Samuel Elder (70, PA)
and Anna (54, PA) and Sara (21, OH) and Synthia (18, OH). Also one George
Cox
(21, IN) resided with them. In 1870, Samuel Elder (80, PA) and Anna (63,
PA) are still there, but Cynthia (27, OH) is in the adjoining household
with William
Elder (40, OH) and unreadable name female Elder (39, OH) who is an invalid.

There is also one other Samuel Elder who appears to have been born in
Pennsylvania ca 1811-15. Three children were born in Ohio through ca 1842.
The fourth was
born in Indiana ca 1846. Samuel moved to Whitley Co, IN at a later time
than George -- in the 1840s. The 1850 census of Whitley Co, IN does not
name townships.
In 1860, Samuel was in Thorn Creek township while George's family was in
adjacent Troy Twp. He is of an age to be a younger brother of George and
Thomas,
and he did name his oldest son John, but I have seen nothing to prove a
connection. He may be related, but maybe not.

(August 30, 1850)
#300/308, page 473
Samuel Elder, 35, PA; Mary A., 31, VA; John, 14, OH; George W., 10, ";
Jane, 8, "; Sarah, 4, IN; Emily, 2, "; Milton W., 3/12, "

(8 August 1860)
#1812/1817 Page 255 Thorn Creek Twp, Whitley Co
Samuel Elder, 49, PA, Farmer; Mary A., 41, VA; John, 23, OH; George, 20, ";
Jane, 18, IN; Sarah, 14, " ; Milton, 10, "; Anna, 8, "; Franklin, 6, ";
Joel, 4, "; also
Elizabeth, 20, OH, Domestic.


****** The End *****

Becky Messing
814 W. Foster Ave
State College, PA  16801
(814) 234-0561
glm2@email.psu.edu

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder GenForum

From: Volchek <dragonlair@spacey.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:17:46 -0400

Elder Genforum:

 http://genforum.genealogy.com/elder/

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder GenForum

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:01:20 -0700

I think I have been missing something?  Where is the Elder GenForum, please?  Thank you, Ann

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: from the Elder GenForum

From: Schnellco@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:42:17 EDT

RE:  Becky Messing's posting, 9/24/99

I am researching the Samuel Elder listed in this posting who lived in Troy 
Twp., IN in 1860 and 1870.  This is, I'm quite certain, the same Samuel Elder 
who lived in Adams Twp., Seneca County, OH in 1830 and 1840.  His and his 
family's ages match the later IN census fairly well.  I have a copy of his 
will written 22 Apr 1880 and proved 23 July 1881 in Whitley County, IN.

Samuel's children were:
William C. Elder, b. abt 1830
Amanda E. Elder, b. bet. 1830 and 1835, d. 1862, m. Silas Goodrich Nov. 1856
Jane Elder, b. bet 1830 and 1835, m. Levi Hewit
Sarah Elder, b. 23 Jul 1838, Seneca Co. OH, d. 13 Dec 1921, Ft. Wayne, IN, 
   m. Lester Noble 13 Oct 1861
Cynthia A. Elder, b. Sep 1843, OH, d. 1922, Ft. Wayne, IN

According to Sarah Elder Noble's death certificate, her mother (and 
presumably Samuel's wife) was Anna Cameron.

Census records indicate that Samuel was born about 1790, and his wife, Anna 
Cameron, was much younger, born about 1807, both in PA.  I am sure that 
Samuel is related to George Washington Elder and Thomas Jefferson Elder 
because they migrated close to the same time from PA to Seneca County, OH, 
then to Whitley County, IN.  Samuel purchased his land in Troy Twp in 1852.  
Also, there are several given names that occur regurlarly in all these 
families.  However, I am unable to make the connection, nor am I able to gain 
any info on Samuel's or Anna Cameron's ancestry.  Can anyone help?

Gary Schnell, Eaton, Colorado

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: Watcher881@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:48:16 EDT

In a message dated 9/22/99 8:11:56 PM Central Daylight Time, 
elderbrooks@msn.com writes:

<<     Jack and all, your not at all ignorant on the Elder's.  What did you do
 with the information I mailed last January?  You know your ancestor David
 Elder was born in Lincoln Co NC and you know who his children were.  Did you
 save any of the material I posted here?
 
 David Elder to John Lee Elder  (both went to TX and David died in TX.  I
 guess your John Lee Elder did?) you know your own straight line down.  Let's
 put it together.
 
 Take care will be in touch,
 
 Ann >>

I have the info you sent me but I cant put my hands on it.  My filing system 
is non existent.  I do konw some about my current Elder family but not much 
compared to what I konw about the other parts of my family

Jack

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:38:11 -0700

    Jack,

Everyone I've talked to that does any research has a "mess of papers" but
you do need to use some sort of genealogy software, where you can also keep
notes.  Or establish what is the best way for you.  I know it is not
laughable to you, but I did grin, there are several nice genealogy software
programs that do not cost much and they are very good.  I have tried
several, PAF is good, and not expensive at all.  I would check to see if
they have a new version which is Y2K ready.  I am still using FTM and now
the 7.0 ver is ready and the upgrade is under twenty dollars not including
postage and tax.  I have not had time to call them from work, nothing has
been said about Y2K and I need to find out now.

Why don't you just use a FGS and write them in, David Elder m. Susannah Hyde
and the dates, on the back put your sources, you have to have them.  You
have received a lot of good information on this family.  When you write it
down you see things you have missed.  I look un-organized, and at times I
am.  When I cannot find something, I simply stop and get it together.  You
have relatives in TX, you have friends doing research on your line.  I was
informed that many of the David Elder line still believe that William &
Rebecca (Cates) Elder were David's parents, Rebecca would have been about
ten years of age.  Rebecca's age is on her cemetery monument.  I caught
something this weekend by Worth that Daniel Cate of Meigs County and his
wife started the Cate family, which is not true.  I have that book
"Tennessee Cousins" I just cannot stand it. Daniel Cate was the son of John
Cate Jr.who resided in Jefferson Co, TN. was a justice of the county court
his wife was Mary Counts/Coons/Koontz and she was born in VA as her siblings
were, her father and mother were in what was called Greene NC but when TN
became a state that part of Greene suddenly became Jefferson Co., TN.  John
Jr and Mary are my ancestors also, their dau. Alzira was the youngest child
and brother of Daniel Cate who married Avy Elder dau. of Robert Elder
(brother of Wm).  They moved to Rhea and part of it became Meigs Co TN.
both Daniel, Avy and Alzira were born in Jefferson Co., TN.  records to
support this are available.  One being the will of John Cate Jr.

Long day and so busy,

Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: <Watcher881@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.


> In a message dated 9/22/99 8:11:56 PM Central Daylight Time,
> elderbrooks@msn.com writes:
>
> <<     Jack and all, your not at all ignorant on the Elder's.  What did
you do
>  with the information I mailed last January?  You know your ancestor David
>  Elder was born in Lincoln Co NC and you know who his children were.  Did
you
>  save any of the material I posted here?
>
>  David Elder to John Lee Elder  (both went to TX and David died in TX.  I
>  guess your John Lee Elder did?) you know your own straight line down.
Let's
>  put it together.
>
>  Take care will be in touch,
>
>  Ann >>
>
> I have the info you sent me but I cant put my hands on it.  My filing
system
> is non existent.  I do konw some about my current Elder family but not
much
> compared to what I konw about the other parts of my family
>
> Jack
>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Emmitsburg Maryland Elders

From: LEW1991@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:59:41 EDT

The front page of the Frederick News Post (Maryland) today features a story 
about a group of Mount Saint Mary's College Students who are committed to 
preserving the Elder cemetery which is located on land owned by the school.  
Below is a link to the article.

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/display.cfm?storyid=3194

I'm fortunate to live in Emmitsburg (although I descend from the Clarion 
County James Elder line) and work at the Mount.  I've visited the cemetery on 
many occasions and am so pleased that these students have chosen this 
project.  I hope you enjoy the article.  There is a nice photo of the group 
of students and the cemetery that I will scan and send it to those who would 
like a copy.

Linda Kelley J¸nker

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Emmitsburg Maryland Elders

From: Vicki Burnham <vburnham@mail.wsu.edu>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:57:29 -0700

Linda Kelly Junker,

I would like to have a copy of the photo sent to me.  My email is vburnham@wsu.edu

Thanks


At 06:59 AM 9/28/99 EDT, you wrote:
>The front page of the Frederick News Post (Maryland) today features a story 
>about a group of Mount Saint Mary's College Students who are committed to 
>preserving the Elder cemetery which is located on land owned by the school.  
>Below is a link to the article.
>
>http://www.fredericknewspost.com/display.cfm?storyid=3194
>
>I'm fortunate to live in Emmitsburg (although I descend from the Clarion 
>County James Elder line) and work at the Mount.  I've visited the cemetery on 
>many occasions and am so pleased that these students have chosen this 
>project.  I hope you enjoy the article.  There is a nice photo of the group 
>of students and the cemetery that I will scan and send it to those who would 
>like a copy.
>
>Linda Kelley J¸nker
>
>
******************************************************************
Vicki Burnham  
Washington State University
Cooperative Extension Administration
Pullman, WA 99164-6230
509-335-2837         
**************************************************
             

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: Watcher881@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:20:01 EDT

In a message dated 9/27/99 8:45:53 PM Central Daylight Time, 
elderbrooks@msn.com writes:

<< Everyone I've talked to that does any research has a "mess of papers" but
 you do need to use some sort of genealogy software, where you can also keep
 notes.  Or establish what is the best way for you.  >>

I use Fam Tree maker.  Jack

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: Watcher881@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:20:55 EDT

In a message dated 9/27/99 8:45:53 PM Central Daylight Time, 
elderbrooks@msn.com writes:

<<  I am still using FTM and now
 the 7.0 ver is ready and the upgrade is under twenty dollars not including
 postage and tax.  I have not had time to call them from work, nothing has
 been said about Y2K and I need to find out now. >>


Is there a way to get the downloadable verson on internet? Jack

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: Watcher881@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:22:58 EDT

In a message dated 9/27/99 8:45:53 PM Central Daylight Time, 
elderbrooks@msn.com writes:

<< Rebecca's age is on her cemetery monument.  I caught
 something this weekend by Worth that Daniel Cate of Meigs County and his
 wife started the Cate family, which is not true.  I have that book
 "Tennessee Cousins" I just cannot stand it. Daniel Cate was the son of John
 Cate Jr.who resided in Jefferson Co, TN. was a justice of the county court
 his wife was Mary Counts/Coons/Koontz and she was born in VA as her siblings
 were, her father and mother were in what was called Greene NC but when TN
 became a state that part of Greene suddenly became Jefferson Co., TN.  >>

I have this problem.  I have a cousin that has researched our McGehees for 
about 10 minutes and is convinced of where we came from, he has no 
documentation, none, and is convinced he knows more about it than I do.  I 
have documentation for everything, and I have verified sources for all my 
McGehee info.  I dont have a lot on my Elders, other than what I have 
recieved from you.  Thank you by the way.

Jack

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:50:11 -0700

    So do I Jack, use the notes for keeping up then use your word processing
for the longer articles.  Like I said, I always have a mess of papers or
mass and then I have to go through them and it gets better.

Do you like FTM?   I am getting ready to get the 7.0.  When I took my lunch
today at work I called FTM on the 800 # although I am not sure the person
knew what I was asking, it was actually where you order.  I wanted to know
about Y2K for FTM?  No one has said a word, or I've missed it.

Ann
----- Original Message -----
From: <Watcher881@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.


> In a message dated 9/27/99 8:45:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
> elderbrooks@msn.com writes:
>
> << Everyone I've talked to that does any research has a "mess of papers"
but
>  you do need to use some sort of genealogy software, where you can also
keep
>  notes.  Or establish what is the best way for you.  >>
>
> I use Fam Tree maker.  Jack
>

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder's in MO.

From: FernDoyle@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:51:56 EDT

PAF 4 is a free as in really free, download at www.familysearch.org. PAF has 
always been Y2K compliant.  I haven't tried it.  I use PAF 2.3.1 for the 
Macintosh and I like it.
    Fern

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Emmitsburg Maryland EldersSubject: [Elder-News]: Emmitsburg Maryland Elders

From: "Ann Poe" <elderbrooks@msn.com>From: <LEW1991@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:09:32 -0700

    Thank you for sharing this, I enjoyed the article so very much, Ann P.
----- Original Message -----
From: <LEW1991@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 3:59 AM
Subject: [Elder-News]: Emmitsburg Maryland Elders


> The front page of the Frederick News Post (Maryland) today features a
story
> about a group of Mount Saint Mary's College Students who are committed to
> preserving the Elder cemetery which is located on land owned by the
school.
> Below is a link to the article.
>
> http://www.fredericknewspost.com/display.cfm?storyid=3194
>
> I'm fortunate to live in Emmitsburg (although I descend from the Clarion
> County James Elder line) and work at the Mount.  I've visited the cemetery
on
> many occasions and am so pleased that these students have chosen this
> project.  I hope you enjoy the article.  There is a nice photo of the
group
> of students and the cemetery that I will scan and send it to those who
would
> like a copy.
>
> Linda Kelley J¸nker
>

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Emmitsburg Maryland Elders

From: LEW1991@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:14:34 EDT

Thank you.  I was happy to share this.

Linda

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: from the Elder GenForum

From: Schnellco@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:54:32 EDT

Tom, you and I have corresponded about this before.  Do you have anything 
that might tie this together?  It has to be more than coincidence...  the 
similarities in given names and migration.  I'm just certain that this Samuel 
(b. ca 1790) is either a brother or cousin of G.W. Elder and T.J. Elder.

Gary Schnell, Eaton, Colorado

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: from the Elder GenForum

From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 12:18:52 PDT


----------
> RE:  Becky Messing's posting, 9/24/99
> 
> I am researching the Samuel Elder listed in this posting who lived in
Troy 
> Twp., IN in 1860 and 1870.  This is, I'm quite certain, the same Samuel
Elder 
> who lived in Adams Twp., Seneca County, OH in 1830 and 1840.  His and his 
> family's ages match the later IN census fairly well.  I have a copy of
his 
> will written 22 Apr 1880 and proved 23 July 1881 in Whitley County, IN.
> 
> Samuel's children were:
> William C. Elder, b. abt 1830
> Amanda E. Elder, b. bet. 1830 and 1835, d. 1862, m. Silas Goodrich Nov.
1856
> Jane Elder, b. bet 1830 and 1835, m. Levi Hewit
> Sarah Elder, b. 23 Jul 1838, Seneca Co. OH, d. 13 Dec 1921, Ft. Wayne,
IN, 
>    m. Lester Noble 13 Oct 1861
> Cynthia A. Elder, b. Sep 1843, OH, d. 1922, Ft. Wayne, IN
> 
> According to Sarah Elder Noble's death certificate, her mother (and 
> presumably Samuel's wife) was Anna Cameron.
> 
> Census records indicate that Samuel was born about 1790, and his wife,
Anna 
> Cameron, was much younger, born about 1807, both in PA.  I am sure that 
> Samuel is related to George Washington Elder and Thomas Jefferson Elder 
> because they migrated close to the same time from PA to Seneca County,
OH, 
> then to Whitley County, IN.  Samuel purchased his land in Troy Twp in
1852.  
> Also, there are several given names that occur regurlarly in all these 
> families.  However, I am unable to make the connection, nor am I able to
gain 
> any info on Samuel's or Anna Cameron's ancestry.  Can anyone help?
> 
> Gary Schnell, Eaton, Colorado

This looks like it could be part of my Elder lines.  I am a descendant of
Thomas Jefferson and Cynthia (Daniels) Elder, through their Son William and
Sarah (Hoppis aka Hoppus) Elder, through their son Francis Marion and Lydia
(Lightcap) Elder, through their Son Lester and Anna Blanche (Rowe).

Thomas Lester Wilson
twilson@pathwaynet.com

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: from the Elder GenForum

From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 17:03:38 PDT

Gary,

I think I have a Samuel as an older brother to George Washington and Thomas
Jefferson Elder.  I belief that their parents might have been John and Mary
(Wright) Elder.  Won't be able to get you much more until I have finished
moving to my new office, as we have packed everything!
Thomas Lester Wilson
twilson@pathwaynet.com
----------
> Tom, you and I have corresponded about this before.  Do you have anything 
> that might tie this together?  It has to be more than coincidence...  the 
> similarities in given names and migration.  I'm just certain that this
Samuel 
> (b. ca 1790) is either a brother or cousin of G.W. Elder and T.J. Elder.
> 
> Gary Schnell, Eaton, Colorado

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Subject: [Elder-News]: http://www4.familysearch.org/Search/af/ancestral_file_frame.asp?recid=414957

From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 17:16:58 PDT

This is an ancentral search from the LDS on the Family of John and Mary
(Wright) Elder.  Problem is that I have Thomas Jefferson and George
Washington Elder, b. in 1804!

http://www4.familysearch.org/Search/af/ancestral_file_frame.asp?recid=414957
57

Thomas Lester Wilson
twilson@pathwaynet.com

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: from the Elder GenForum

From: Schnellco@aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:21:30 EDT

Thanks, Tom...  I'll look forward to your getting settled in your new office. 
 (Probably not as much as you, though.)

Gary Schnell, Eaton, Colorado

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