Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: Elder Family of KY
From: Bertha Emmett <sigler@ivnet.com>
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:14:51 -0600
Does anyone have information on a Thomas Elder, born ca1822 in North Carolina? He is listed on the 1850 Russell Co., KY census. Wife was Elizabeth Jones. Known children: Granville, Zerrilda, and Umrah(?). Female named Polly Elder, aged 60 yrs, born VA was also listed with this family. I am trying to find Thomas Elder's parents and siblings. He was not on the 1860 census for Russell Co. I noticed one of your news listings, there was a Granville Elder (born 11/20/1826. Is this a common Elder name? Any leads or suggestions would be appreciated! Bertha Emmett
Subject: [Elder-News]: Mollie Elder
From: "Al Vinson" <r-avinson@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:36:34 -0600
Does anyone have any information on a Mollie Elder, born April 13, 1854, in Alabama. Census information in 1870 finds her living with the W. Dicken family in Jackson Parish Louisiana. She listed her Father and Mother as being born in Virginia. I found her next in the 1880 Census married to Marion Vinson with a son 9 years old. Any information or leads would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for any assistance anyone could provide. Al Vinson
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: THOMAS ELDER OF KY
From: JJSlaton@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:06:17 EST
Sorry to be so long in answering your post. I do not have any information on your Thomas Elder but will check my miscellaneous data and get back to you if I find anything. Good luck. Joyce J. Slaton
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder - NC>TN>IL>WI >TX & KS
From: JJSlaton@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:17:11 EST
Hello, None of your Elders are familiar to me but I will check my miscellaneous data and get back to you if I find anything. Joyce J. Slaton
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: THOMAS ELDER OF KY
From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 99 12:10:29 PST
Thank You. Thomas Lester Wilson twilson@pathwaynet.com ---------- > Sorry to be so long in answering your post. I do not have any information on > your Thomas Elder but will check my miscellaneous data and get back to you if > I find anything. > Good luck. > Joyce J. Slaton
Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER BOOK
From: Bertha Emmett <sigler@ivnet.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:22:49 -0600
Does anyone have information on the book "The Elder Family of America"? I do not know the author. I would like to know if this book is available for sale, or does anyone have it and would be willing to look for a listing for Thomas Elder born about 1829 in NC. Trying to establish his ancestry. He was living in Russell Co., KY in 1850. Thank you, Bertha Emmett
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER BOOK
From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:10:58 -0600
Bertha Emmett wrote: > Does anyone have information on the book "The Elder Family of America"? > I do not know the author. I would like to know if this book is > available for sale, or does anyone have it and would be willing to look > for a listing for Thomas Elder born about 1829 in NC. Trying to > establish his ancestry. He was living in Russell Co., KY in 1850. > > Thank you, > Bertha Emmett Hi Bertha: I have a book " Genealogy of the Elder Clan" that deals with the Elder's that came over and landed at Norfolk VA. and migrated west to Georgia, Alabama Tennessee and on to Texas. Some of them were in north and south Carolina and TN. I have about 24,000 names in my book. I couldn't find a Thomas that was born in 1829 in NC. Do you have any more informastion on him, his wife, his father ect.? Let me know. Lee M. Elder
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER BOOK
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:43:56 -0500
Hi Bertha, I have never heard of the above book, could it have another title or the author; perhaps the place where it was written. A lot of books have been written on Elder's, usually they cover one large family. A lot of different families named Elder were in NC after the Rev war, sorting them is very difficult, They are not all related to one another and many of them went to other areas. I wish I could help you, my line is also Elder. Please let me know if you have another clue. Ann elderbrooks@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: Bertha Emmett <sigler@ivnet.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 2:32 PM Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER BOOK >Does anyone have information on the book "The Elder Family of America"? >I do not know the author. I would like to know if this book is >available for sale, or does anyone have it and would be willing to look >for a listing for Thomas Elder born about 1829 in NC. Trying to >establish his ancestry. He was living in Russell Co., KY in 1850. > >Thank you, >Bertha Emmett > >
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elders of Jefferson and McMinn Counties, TN
From: Volchek <dragonlair@spacey.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:00:45 -0500
Hello, Everyone, I have just subscribed to the list and I apologize if I am asking you to cover old ground again. Here's what I have on the Elders. If you could add anything to it, I would appreciate it. James Elder: born 1805, Jefferson Co., TN, died September 22, 1866, McMinn, TN, married August 25, 1826, Rhea County, TN, Sarah Womack: born November 15, 1807, place unknown, died January 27, 1864, McMinn, TN Their children: Nancy - born December 4, 1828, m. W. E. Stephenson, died October 6, 1897 Jacob - born May 3, 1833, m. unknown, died August 30, 1889 Mary W. - born 1834, m. Mark Dennis, died unknown John - born 1836, m. unknown, died unknown Daniel - born about 1838, m. unknown, died unknown Sarah W. - October 14, 1854, m. unknown, died unknown Robert - born abt. 1842, m. unknown, died unknown Mark - born abt. 1844, m. unknown, died unknown Lou - born abt. 1846, m. unknown, died unknown Parents of James Elder: Robert Elder: born abt. 1782, died unknown, m. Sarah Moore February 16, 1802 in Jefferson Co., TN. Sarah's dates unknown. Their children: Robert - dates unknown, m. Mary Witt January 14, 1841 Jacob - dates unknown, m. Ellen C. Ware November 1, 1866 Samuel H. - dates unknown, m. Sarah J. White October 29, 1864 Susannah - dates unknown, m. Mordecai Morgan November 17, 1853 James - born 1805 (see above) David - no dates, m. unknown Avy - no dates, m. Daniel Cate Parents of Robert Elder: Samuel Elder: born abt. 1760, died 1811, m. unknown Children: Robert William Jacob Samuel John Andrew Esther Margaret No additional information on children of Samuel and Unknown Elder Parents of Samuel Elder: Unknown Siblings of Samuel Elder: Unknown I descend from Nancy Elder (James, Robert, Samuel) who married W. E. Stephenson, Sr.
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elders of Jefferson and McMinn Counties, TN
From: Rlaneb1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:48:49 EST
Does anyone know if this Samuel Elder, born 1760 was connected with North Carolina in anyway? Could the Stephensons mentioned in this last message have been spelled Stinson? Thanks. R.B.
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elders of Jefferson and McMinn Counties, TN
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:23:19 -0500
The Elder's on the list are the East TN Elder's. They have nothing to do with NC that anyone can document. I have the actual Elder deeds from Jefferson Co., and the will of Samuel Elder. The Tryon Co. Elder's are more than one group of Elder's. Virginia K. Nelson wrote about our Elder's, the late Warner Davis, Ken Parent, Burl Underwood, I have our Elder's. We cannot pass Samuel Elder who d. 1811 in Sevier Co TN, we think he might belong here or there but not one single hair of evidence will tie him to the Samuel Elder b. 1738 in VA and that seems likely or the Andrew Elder son of Matthew Elder who d. in VA. 1783, although Matthew was not from VA he came through PA with several of grown children. The Meigs Co Elder family is the Robert Elder line, he m. (1) Sarah Moore and (2) Mrs. Mary Witt. Robert died after the 1860 Megis Co Census and is buried in Upper Goodfield Cemetery. His mother Hannah (maiden name unknown) Elder m. after Samuel died to James Moore we THINK we do not know that James was perhaps the father of Sarah Moore Elder. James & Hannah (Elder) Moore are also buried in Upper Goodfield Cemetery. I heard from the lady who finally posted on the list (I kept suggesting after three attempts to assist her). I will give her the Elder information but I have not run all of the lines of James son of Robert Elder on down to her point in time. I have not even finished all of my own. We have wills, deeds and everything anyone we need on the older Elder line. I think Samuel was probably born about 1755. His possible connection with NC is that this Elder family was in what would become TN and was actually NC. Samuel Elder whom we refer to as Jr. was born in "Sevier Co TN or NC" (I do have the source, will send if needed). The census is helpful, a lot of good books have been written in McMinn, perhaps James was there, I have the information. I come from William Elder son of Samuel and brother of Robert. We have no Stephenson other than when three of the brother and their brother-in-law Michael Widner sold one of the Samuel Elder's slaves with James Laurence (Lawrence) was POA, James died and John Laurence took over for his father, James. Robert Stephenson purchased the slave Isaac and I have no record of what happened but a law suit "happend" as a result of that sale, at least it gives all the appearances of such. I do have some notes on that, but felt they were not really that important. We have talked before, you are looking for Stinson. I know Stinson from the PA. Elder's and it appears from the abstracts of deeds by Brent Holcombe that some of the PA Elder's were in NC but left. I do not know for sure. Robert Elder was born ca 1782 in VA according to his tombstone for age and VA on two census. If she would contact Virginia Knight Nelson she might have a book left, I don't think so but it would not hurt to try. She could also write E.T.H.S. they have much material as well as McClung all in Knoxville TN. How are you? I know part of your line but have forgotten, I have more than enough trying to keep up with ours. Also I did engage the services of a certified genealogist in the middle 1980's in NC. I could never have gone through those Elder's. I used his services for three years. We climbed and fell out of many "trees". Have a great week. Ann Elder-Brooks Poe elderbrooks@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: Rlaneb1@aol.com <Rlaneb1@aol.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elders of Jefferson and McMinn Counties, TN >Does anyone know if this Samuel Elder, born 1760 was connected with North >Carolina in anyway? Could the Stephensons mentioned in this last message have >been spelled Stinson? Thanks. R.B. >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elders of Jefferson and McMinn Counties, TN
From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:43:33 -0600
Rlaneb1@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know if this Samuel Elder, born 1760 was connected with North > Carolina in anyway? Could the Stephensons mentioned in this last message have > been spelled Stinson? Thanks. R.B. Hi R. B.: Yes I have Sanuel Elder b. 1760 in my computer with his family. What do you need? Lee
Subject: [Elder-News]: Thomas Elder
From: Ether43@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:36:28 EST
I just found the connection I have been searching for in the Indiana Co.,PA
court house.
Thomas Elder b. 1774
d. 1852 in Conemaugh Twp.,Indiana Co. PA
m. Rebecca
He owned a farm that he bought from Robert R. Elder of Dauphin Co. PA.( The
courthouse closed on me so I have to go back and see if I can find a
connection)
Children in the will were:
Rebecca Elder McNeil b. 1803 d. Oct.14, 1862 m.William McNeil 1835
(My gr.gr.gr.grandmother)
Dorcus M. Elder Irwin b.8/21/1817 d.8/12/1898 m. Samuel Irwin
10/28/1841
Anna Elder Kirkpatrick
Violet Elder Kirkpatrick b. 1832 m. Moses Kirkpatrick
John W. Elder b. 1809 d. 7/19/1868 in Clarksburg, Indiana Co.,PA m.
Mary Irwin
Isabella Elder b.1814
Julia Ann Elder b.1828
Sarah Elder b. 1822 ( Think she may have married a Hazlett and
had 2 boys Robert and Thomas but not proven)
Ann Elder b. 1826
Jane Cochran Elder m. James Cochran 12/11/1855 d. 1891 in
Derry Twp. PA
Racheal Elder Fulton m. John Fulton
Does anyone have any further information on Thomas Elder's parents??
Nancy Ether43@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Thomas Elder
From: Harry Issac Sharp <patroon@IBM.NET>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:14:16 -0500
I have a John Elder born 1755, married to Nancy Rose and 15 children. This family settled in now Lawrence Co., Pa. in 1850. I don't know if there is a relationship, but Indiana and Lawrence are not that far apart. Harry Ether43@aol.com wrote: > I just found the connection I have been searching for in the Indiana Co.,PA > court house. > Thomas Elder b. 1774 > d. 1852 in Conemaugh Twp.,Indiana Co. PA > m. Rebecca > He owned a farm that he bought from Robert R. Elder of Dauphin Co. PA.( The > courthouse closed on me so I have to go back and see if I can find a > connection) > Children in the will were: > Rebecca Elder McNeil b. 1803 d. Oct.14, 1862 m.William McNeil 1835 > (My gr.gr.gr.grandmother) > Dorcus M. Elder Irwin b.8/21/1817 d.8/12/1898 m. Samuel Irwin > 10/28/1841 > Anna Elder Kirkpatrick > Violet Elder Kirkpatrick b. 1832 m. Moses Kirkpatrick > John W. Elder b. 1809 d. 7/19/1868 in Clarksburg, Indiana Co.,PA m. > Mary Irwin > Isabella Elder b.1814 > Julia Ann Elder b.1828 > Sarah Elder b. 1822 ( Think she may have married a Hazlett and > had 2 boys Robert and Thomas but not proven) > Ann Elder b. 1826 > Jane Cochran Elder m. James Cochran 12/11/1855 d. 1891 in > Derry Twp. PA > Racheal Elder Fulton m. John Fulton > > Does anyone have any further information on Thomas Elder's parents?? > Nancy Ether43@aol.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder > Thomas Jeffferson Elder
From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 99 11:27:12 PST
I received unverified information that John and Mary (Wright) Elder of PA, were the parents of Thomas Jefferson Elder, b. abt. 1803. Turns out that John and Mary were both deceased by the time Thomas Jefferson Elder was born. Thomas Jefferson Elder married Cynthia Daniels and my gggrandfather William was their oldest son. Anyone have an connections that would help me find out Thomas Jefferson Elder's parentage? Thanks Thomas Lester Wilson twilson@pathwaynet.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder - Pa
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:08:31, -0500
Thomas Wilson I came in late - Where do you believe Thomas Jefferson Elder was born- county and state. I assume it was Pa. Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder
From: Ether43@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:37:02 EST
Harry, I'm fairly certain that they are 2 different John Elders. John W. Elder is buried in the Clarksburg Presbyterian Cemetery with his wife Mary. Nancy
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder - Pa
From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 99 06:53:51 PST
Mary, I am not sure where Thomas Jefferson Elder was born. I do have a report that he was bron in PA in about 1802-03. He first turns up in Seneca County, Oh, in 1842, when he sends his oldest son William to check on soem real estate in Kosciousko County, IN. Later in 1842 Thomas Jefferson and Cythia (Daniels) Elder moved to IN. Thomas Lester Wilson twilson@pathwaynet.com ---------- > > Thomas Wilson > > I came in late - Where do you believe Thomas Jefferson Elder was born- > > county and state. I assume it was Pa. > > Mary Cole > CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder News
From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:08:57 -0600
I have three Thomas Jefferson Elder in three different directories. First one Thomas Jefferson b. 03-10-1847 d. 08-28-1929 Married to Nancy Jane Phillips Vinson b. 08-20-1849 d. 01-10-1929 They had 10 children. If anyone needs these children names I can supply. This Elder is from my directory and he died in Texas. Second: Thomas Jefferson Elder no birth date or deth date Married Martha B. Gilbert They had three children. If anyone needs their names I can supply. This one id from the Maryland Elders. Third: Thomas Jefferson Elder b. 12-26-1857 d. 1915 Wife unknown. This name is with a group from Pennsylvania. Let me know if anyone needs other information on these Elder's. Lee M. Elder
Subject: [Elder-News]: http://user.ctlnet.com/gan155/1850/382a.htm
From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 99 11:34:28 PST
1850 Census Link to my ggggrandfather Thomas Jefferson Elder's family in Kosciusko County, Indiana. Let me know if this link is part of any of your families. http://user.ctlnet.com/gan155/1850/382a.htm Thomas Lester Wilson twilson@pathwaynet.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inkosciu/willsE.htm
From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 99 11:40:01 PST
Kosciusko County Link to wills that can be ordered. Note list of Elders. http://www.rootsweb.com/~inkosciu/willsE.htm Thomas Lester Wilson twilson@pathwaynet.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: http://user.ctlnet.com/gan155/cwce.txt
From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 99 11:44:36 PST
Link to a couple of Elders (David and John) who served from Inidiana in the Civil War. http://user.ctlnet.com/gan155/cwce.txt Thomas Lester Wilson twilson@pathwaynet.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: http://user.ctlnet.com/gan155/marE.htm
From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 99 11:47:59 PST
Early Kosciousko County, Indiana Marrage list 1836 -1857 E. Note some Elders listed. http://user.ctlnet.com/gan155/marE.htm Thomas Lester Wilson twilson@pathwaynet.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: Recent Obit.
From: Ether43@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:04:36 EST
Blaine E. Elder First supervising principal of Keystone School District ALLENTOWN ń Blaine E. Elder, 87, of Devon-House, Allentown, died Friday morning, February 12, 1999, at his home. Born April 19, 1911, in Day City, he was a son of William and Eva Russell Elder. He was married to the former Margaret Sherry, who died February 19, 1996. Mr. Elder was a graduate of Clarion State Teachers College, now Clarion University of Pennsylvania, and received a masterís degree from the University of Pittsburgh. He began his teaching career in the Fox Schoolhouse in Clarion Township and also taught in the Ashland and Knox schools before becoming the first supervising principal of the Keystone School District. Mr. Elder continued to serve as superintendent until his retirement in 1974 after 40 years of service. During his tenure at Keystone, the high school and the elementary school were designed and built. He was an active member of the Knox Lions Club and participated in its musical shows. He was a member of the Edenburg Lodge 550 F&AM, the New Castle Consistory and the Erie Zem Zem Shrine. Mr. Elder also volunteered for many years with the Salvation Army. Mr. Elder was a member of the Knox United Methodist Church, where he served as a Sunday school teacher. Surviving are two sons, Richard B. Elder of Acton, Mass., and William L. Elder of Huntingdon; one daughter, Suzanne (Mrs. Joseph) Seem of Emmaus; five grandchildren, Richard B. Elder Jr., Joyce L. Elder, Todd G. Elder, Heather C. McCracken and Steven J. Seem; two great-grandchildren, Breckenridge Elder and Gabriella McCracken; and one sister, Margaret E. Weiser of Clarion. In addition to his wife and parents, four sisters, Vera N. Love, Lenore T. Haines, Nelle W. Love and Hazel G. Miles; and two brothers, J. Russell Elder and Arthur N. Elder, preceded Mr. Elder in death. Edenburg Lodge 550 F&AM held a Masonic service at 7 p.m. Sunday, February 14, in the David C. McEntire Funeral Home in Knox. The funeral was held at 11 a.m. Monday, February 16, in the funeral home. The Rev. Charles Jack, pastor of Knox United Methodist Church, officiated. Interment was in Asbury Cemetery at RD1 Strattanville. The family suggests memorials be made to the Knox United Methodist Church, Knox, Pa. 16232.
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder News
From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 99 15:49:48 PST
My Thomas Jefferson Elder was b. abt 1803 in either OH,or PA, he d. On February 20, 1855 in Kosciusko County, IN. His siblings were: Jane; John; Moses: Sarah; William; Samuel; and George Washington Elder. Thomas Jefferson was m. to Cynthia Daniels, b. April 2, 1808 in PA, d. August 13, 1888 in Kosciusko County, IN. Children of Thomas Jefferson and Cynthia Elder: 1. William, b. February 4, 1826 in Seneca County, OH, d. July 25, 1904 Kosciusko County, IN, m. Sarah Hoppis on March 9, 1851 - William and Sarah Elder were my gggrandparents, their oldest son was Francis Marion who m. a Lydia Lightcap and Francis Marion and Lydia Elder's oldest son was my grandfather Lester Elder; 2. George T., b. abt. 1832, in Seneca County, OH, m. Phebe June Hoppis on September 17, 1859; 3. Sarah, b. abt. 1834, Seneca County, OH; 4. Elizabeth, b. abt. 1836, Seneca County, OH, m. Phillip Glick or Click on November 4, 1860; 5. Jane, b. abt. 1840, Seneca County, OH, m. George Yotter; 6. Amanda, b. abt. 1842, Seneca County, OH; 7. Samuel, b. abt. 1844, Kosciusko County, IN, m. Catherine M. Bennett, September 25, 1873; 8. Leah J., b. abt. 1846, Kosciusko County, IN, m Nelson Beigh; and 9 Marquis D.E.L. Elder, b. abt. 1849, Kosciusko County, IN, m. Jane Denney. Thomas Lester Wilson twilson@pathwaynet.com ---------- > I have three Thomas Jefferson Elder in three different directories. > First one Thomas Jefferson b. 03-10-1847 d. 08-28-1929 > Married to Nancy Jane Phillips Vinson b. 08-20-1849 d. 01-10-1929 > They had 10 children. If anyone needs these children names I can > supply. This Elder is from my directory and he died in Texas. > > Second: Thomas Jefferson Elder no birth date or deth date > Married Martha B. Gilbert > They had three children. If anyone needs their names I can supply. This > one id from the Maryland Elders. > > Third: Thomas Jefferson Elder b. 12-26-1857 d. 1915 > Wife unknown. This name is with a group from Pennsylvania. > > > Let me know if anyone needs other information on these Elder's. > > Lee M. Elder
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder News
From: Schnellco@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:59:31 EST
Thomas, what info do you have on T.J. Elder's brother, Samuel. I have a Samuel, b. in PA abt. 1790 (according to census records), lived in Seneca County, IN (1830 and 1840 census) then migrated to Whitley County, IN, right next to Kosciusko. This is too much to be just coincidence. Gary Schnell, Eaton, Colorado
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder News
From: "Al Vinson" <r-avinson@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:27:46 -0600
Anyone have any information on a Mollie C. Elder , born in Alabama, 13
April 1854
I first find her in the 1870 Census living in Louisiana with the Dicken's
family .
Al
>
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder News
From: "john" <apuabu@redrose.net>
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:05:29 -0500
hi I have a thomas elder who moved to Leadville in 1900 abt. any connection , he came from cambria co. Pa. JOHN apuabu@redrose.net ---------- > From: Schnellco@aol.com > To: elder-news@intrepid.net > Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder News > Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 8:59 PM > > Thomas, what info do you have on T.J. Elder's brother, Samuel. I have a > Samuel, b. in PA abt. 1790 (according to census records), lived in Seneca > County, IN (1830 and 1840 census) then migrated to Whitley County, IN, right > next to Kosciusko. This is too much to be just coincidence. > > Gary Schnell, Eaton, Colorado >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder News
From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 99 17:19:33 PST
Gary, My Thomas Jefferson Elder was b. abt. 1803, d. February 20, 1855. Presently I have his parents unconfirmed as John and mary (Wright) Elder. However, I have some problem with this report. Also it seems like more than a coincidence that your Samuel was in Seneca County, OH, but I don't have anything yet on Thomas J. Elder's siblings. Thomas Lester Wilson twilson@pathwaynet.com ---------- > Thomas, what info do you have on T.J. Elder's brother, Samuel. I have a > Samuel, b. in PA abt. 1790 (according to census records), lived in Seneca > County, IN (1830 and 1840 census) then migrated to Whitley County, IN, right > next to Kosciusko. This is too much to be just coincidence. > > Gary Schnell, Eaton, Colorado
Subject: [Elder-News]: Leadville Connection?
From: Terencepau@aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:47:45 EST
George Thomas ELDER (1857) married Eva Carpenter. (He may have been from KY.) Three sons born between 1887 and 1895. One of the sons was Homer Thomas Elder, who married Peg Kelley in Colorado in 1913. I am looking for the grandchildren if Homer & Peg--believe they are in Colorado. Please advise me if you know of the Elders in Colorado. Terence Kelley in Nebraska
Subject: [Elder-News]: Leadville Connection
From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 15:30:50 -0600
Greetings: Terence Kelley:
Here is what I have on George Thomas Elder b. 04-19-1857 m. Eva Cloe Carpenter buried
brightn, Co. George died 03-27-1907 buried Brighton, CO.
1. Dora Isabel Elder b. 1887 d. 1891 dsp
2. Homer Thomas Elder b. 03-13-1889 d. 09-16-1967 m. (1)11-27-1913 Margaret Kelly b. 04 27-1927.ÝÝÝÝÝÝÝÝÝÝ
A.George Homer Elder b. 09-10-1914 m. 06-20-1935 Rose Pine
1. Virginia Rose Elder kb. 02-16-1939 Hastings, NE m. 09-04-1960 Neil Widstrom
a. Gerald Allen Widstrom b. 01-28-1962 Brookings, SD
b. Jeffrey Lee Widstrom b. 04-26-1964 Raleigh, NC.
2. David George Elder b. 01-13-1942 m 07-19-1969 Lelia C. Munoz
3. Robert Thomas Elder b. 05-03-1948 Twin
4. Vincent Allen Elder b. 05-03-1948 Twin
B. Marian Elizabeth Elder b. 04-04-1920 Denver, CO.m. 10-13-1947 John D. MacDonald
1. Celia Sharon MacDonald b. 11-18-1948 m. 12-05-1968 Glen Fox
2. John Thomas MacDonald b. 08-04-1951
3. Margaret Blanche MacDonald b. 11-09-1953
m.(2) Irene Marie Gross b. 05-03-1908, Bunker Hill, KS. F-Albert F. Gross M-Hattie N. Porter
C. Kenneth Charles Elder b. 03-02-1939, Denver Co., m.08-28-1965 Sue Sandra Shank
1.Michael Pastrick Elder b. 05-20-1970
2. Brian Charles Elder b. 02-20-1972
3. James Elder b. 01-11-1976
3. Glenn Rose Elder b. 05-13-1892, Denver. , CO. m. 08-11-1909 in Adams Co., CO. Herbert Almy Mumford b. 11-22-1885 d. 04-17-1962. Glenn died 01-01-1941 both buried Elmwood Cem. Brighton, Co.
A. Glenn Margaret Mumford b. 07-03-1910, m. (1) 01-06-193 Roy Abplanalp (2) Norman C. Mace
1. Roy (Abplanalp) Mace b. 01-13-1936 m. Mary Blasick
B. Grace Evelyn Mumford b. 05-07-1912 m. 10-19-1938 Robert M. Frick
1. Judith Ann Frick b. 09-01-1940
2. Thomas Herbert Frick b. 01-02-1943
3. Gerald Machael Frick b. 03-26-1947
C. Mary Eva Mumford b. 07-23-1914 d. 12-19-1940 m. C. Swearingen ( no Children)
D. Herbert Almy Mumford kb. 11-06-1916, Eastlake, CO.m. 08-17-1947 Masry Lauredson
1. Raymond Thomas Mumford b. 11-02-1948 Twin
2. John Martin Mumford b. 11-02-1948 Twin
3. Cindy Sue Mumford b. 07-11-1954 d. 12-22-1972 dsp
4.Hugh Russell Elder b. 06-05-1894, Denver CO. d. 04-14-1976 m. 08-20-1928 Golden Co. Bernice Mildred Reed b. 02-13-1903, Baker, OR. d. 07-18-1976, F-Jams David Reed, M-Cora Isabel Purcell, both are buried at Crown Hill Cem.in Denver, CO.
A. Johann Elder b. 01-10-1940, Ft. Lupton, CO. m. 10-10-1960, Bennett J. Anderson
1. Mark Kelly Anderson b. 09-17-1962
2. Michael Lee Anderson kb. 06-08-1965
This family is in my Maryland Elder Family Directory
Lee M. Elder
Subject: [Elder-News]: http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/asp/response.asp?SearchType=1
From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 99 12:30:36 PST
Elder, Patents in Seneca County, Ohio http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/asp/response.asp?SearchType=1 Thomas Lester Wilson twilson@pathwaynet.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder surname in Cambria Co. PA.
From: Nanbeh@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:48:42 EST
My great-grandmother, Amanda Delozier, was born in Cambria Co., PA. Her parents were James Delozier and Eleanor (Helen) Elder. I am trying to find information on Eleanor's ancestors. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Nancy Behe Kell
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder surname in Cambria Co. PA.
From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 18:33:15 -0600
Nanbeh@aol.com wrote: > My great-grandmother, Amanda Delozier, > was born in Cambria Co., PA. Her parents were > James Delozier and Eleanor (Helen) Elder. > I am trying to find information on > Eleanor's ancestors. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Nancy Behe Kell Hi Nancy: I have your Jacob (JaMes) Delozier and Helen (Ellen) Elder in my Maryland Directory. She was the sixth child of her familyi out of nine children. She was married to James Behe and they had five children. Let me know if you need more infromation. Lee M. Elder
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder-Cambria county
From: Nanbeh@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 19:41:56 EST
Hi Lee: James Behe was my great-grandfather. I need any information you could share concerning Ellen Elder,her siblings, parents, and so on. I appreciate your quick response. Thanks Nancy Behe Kell
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder surname in Cambria Co. PA.
From: DHoward575@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:04:24 EST
Do you have any dates on your Eleanor Elder or James Delozier? (Particularly birthdates) Also, do you know where either of them were born?
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder - Cambria County
From: Nanbeh@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 21:43:11 EST
My records show that James (Jacob) Delozier was born in Cambria County in the year 1812. I don't have a year or place of birth for Eleanor - Ellen - Helen . I don't believe the Eleanor born in 1801 could be the one I'm looking for. My great-grandmother was not born until 1865. This Eleanor would have been too old to be her mother. I wish I had more info to pass along. Thanks for the help. Nancy
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder surname in Cambria Co. PA.
From: "john" <apuabu@redrose.net>
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:35:35 -0500
hi i have ELDER'S in cambria co. could you give the date's of people. JOHN apuabu@redrose.net ---------- > From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net> > To: elder-news@intrepid.net > Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder surname in Cambria Co. PA. > Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 7:33 PM > > > > Nanbeh@aol.com wrote: > > > My great-grandmother, Amanda Delozier, > > was born in Cambria Co., PA. Her parents were > > James Delozier and Eleanor (Helen) Elder. > > I am trying to find information on > > Eleanor's ancestors. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Nancy Behe Kell > > Hi Nancy: > > I have your Jacob (JaMes) Delozier and Helen (Ellen) Elder in my > Maryland Directory. She was the sixth child of her familyi out of nine > children. > She was married to James Behe and they had five children. > > Let me know if you need more infromation. > Lee M. Elder >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder - Cambria County
From: "john" <apuabu@redrose.net>
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 08:49:45 -0500
HI
I ALSO HAVE EL EANOR BORN 1801 TO GEORGE + JULIA
ELDER
.
JOHN ELDER
apuabu@redrose.net
----------
> From: Nanbeh@aol.com
> To: elder-news@intrepid.net
> Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder - Cambria County
> Date: Saturday, February 27, 1999 9:43 PM
>
> My records show that
> James (Jacob) Delozier was born in Cambria
> County in the year 1812. I don't have
> a year or place of birth for Eleanor - Ellen -
> Helen . I don't believe the Eleanor
> born in 1801 could be the one I'm
> looking for. My great-grandmother was
> not born until 1865. This Eleanor would
> have been too old to be her mother.
> I wish I had more info to pass along.
>
> Thanks for the help.
> Nancy
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder's in PA.
From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:41:13 -0600
Hi Everyone:
Here are the dates:
Jacob (James) Delozier 1812
Helen (Ellen) Elder 1831
Richard 1854
Banjamin 07- -1856
Alice 1858
Thadeous 1861
John 04- -1863
Amanda 1865 d. 1911
Florence 1867
Charlotte 1869
Ida 1871
Lee
Subject: [Elder-News]: Leadville Connection
From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 21:07:19 -0600
Greetings Terence Kelly: Did you get the information I mailed for you aboutGeorge Thomas Elder and Eva Carpenter? Let me know if you eceived the material. Lee
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elders on the 1786 Tax Listing-Fannett Twshp, Franklin County Pa
From: LEW1991@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 16:34:19 EST
The following Elders appear on the 1786 Tax Listing-Fannett Twshp, Franklin County Pa: Elder, John Jr., Elder, Robert Elder, David Sr. Elder, Robert Sr. Elder, David Jr. Elder, William Elder, Samuel Elder, James Elder, John (not married) To view the entire list: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pafrankl/fannett2.html I wonder if the James Elder above is the same James who married Catherine Buchanan?? Linda Winkler
Subject: [Elder-News]: James Elder PA.
From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 16:44:20 -0600
Greetings: I have a James Elder b. 03-12-1769 d. 02-15-1837 was married 03-15-1790 to Catherine Buchanan b. 05-12-1769 d. 11-13-1813. They had eleven children Both John and Catherine were buried Perryville Cem. Perry TP. Clarion Co., PA. Lee Elder
Subject: [Elder-News]: I alone survived.
From: RElder1922@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 17:52:55 EST
Saw a movie on cable this afternoon; was a true story; about Lauren Elder who survived an airplane crash. According to the story, was one of the "Elders from California". Is she related to any of the "Elders" on this Site? >From the coureous Bob Elder
Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: James Elder PA.
From: LEW1991@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:20:19 EST
With James (Catherine Buchanan's James) born in 1769...he would have only been 17 in 1786 at the time of the tax and not married...not likely it is him. Thanks Lee. Linda Winkler
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: I alone survived.
From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 17:20:30 -0600
RElder1922@aol.com wrote: > Saw a movie on cable this afternoon; was a true story; about Lauren Elder who > survived an airplane crash. > According to the story, was one of the "Elders from California". > Is she related to any of the "Elders" on this Site? > >From the coureous Bob Elder Hi All: I had a cousin Ruth Elder who was born in 1904 and had a movie contract for several years after she flew across the atlantic to Poutugal. She had to ditch the plane off the coast and a ship picked her up and carried her on to Portugal. She was married six times and died in 1972 and is buried in California. She stayed in California after getting the Movie Contract. She is on page 192 of my book. Lee M. Elder
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elders on the 1786 Tax Listing-Fannett Twshp, Franklin Coun...
From: LaCornwell@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 18:55:58 EST
In a message dated 3/1/99 3:40:23 PM Central Standard Time, LEW1991@aol.com
writes:
<< I wonder if the James Elder above is the same James who married Catherine
Buchanan??
Linda Winkler >>
Hi, Linda,
The James Elder on the list would have been the one who was born in 1712
and died Sep 13, 1818 in Fannet Township, Franklin Co, PA at the age of 104.
He married -- Cole and Elizabeth Maips. His children were Robert, David,
Rosanna Martha, John, Agnes (my line) and James.
Anyone wanting more info on this line, please contact me.
Larry Cornwell
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: I alone survived.
From: Sewdivine@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:37:32 EST
In response to your question: Yes, I am related to Lauren Elder from the book and subsequent movie, "And I Alone Survived." Lauren is my first cousin, her father and mine are brothers and interestingly enough her father's name is Robert "Bob" Elder. Bob was a decorated WWII Navy pilot from Milwaukie, OR. Our Elder family decends from John Elder and Margaret Gray who came from N. Ireland to Coshocton, OH; many of the family later moved to Albia, Iowa. Judith Elder Kruse
Subject: RE: [Elder-News]: http://user.ctlnet.com/gan155/marE.htm
From: John & Lavon Mundinger <jola@televar.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:50:03 -0800
Hi, I am an Elder researcher, too, just not in Indiana. But could you give me the web site for these marriages starting with A and through Z, please. I have Ralstons and Clemmer/Klemmers to search there. Thank you. Lavon Mundinger in Omak, WA at jola@televar.com -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Wilson [SMTP:twilson@pathwaynet.com] Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 11:48 AM To: Elder News List Subject: [Elder-News]: http://user.ctlnet.com/gan155/marE.htm Early Kosciousko County, Indiana Marrage list 1836 -1857 E. Note some Elders listed. http://user.ctlnet.com/gan155/marE.htm Thomas Lester Wilson twilson@pathwaynet.com
From: "Peggy Atwood" <atwood@chickasaw.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:11:48 -0600
I know that this may be redundant, as I have posted this message in other ELDER areas in the last two days. In December of 1997 a message was posted to the ELDER bulletin board by Joe Douglas ELDER. Joe is looking for Douglas Whitfield ELDER. All of the information he gives about Douglas matches my maternal grandfather. My grandfather always told us that he had no family, so in the several attempts I have made to find his family, I have failed. Since I saw this query that Joe ELDER posted I know that my grandfather had family and the family cared about him. I would so much like to find Joe. Can anybody help me? Thank you Peggy Dean-Atwood
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder - Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:08:17, -0500
I am interested in Fannett, Cumberland/Franklin Cos, Pa and the Elder family. Linda - I have visited your web site and enjoyed it very much. My first tax list for Fannett is 1763. Is there any earlier one? James Elder 400 acres I believe he was born in 1712 & was the father. Robert Elder 100 acres I believe he was one son John Elder 400 acres I believe he was another son - I have more on him. David Elder 300 acres I believe he was another son - he was my ancestor Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder - Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa
From: LEW1991@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:20:52 EST
In a message dated 3/2/99 8:12:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, CDGG47A@prodigy.com writes: << My first tax list for Fannett is 1763. Is there any earlier one? >> Mary, if there is an earlier one, I'm not aware of it. Linda
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder family in Cambria County
From: Nanbeh@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:00:25 EST
I have Helen Elder (b.1831) married to James Delozier. Does anyone have any information on Helen's parents? Thanks Nancy Kell
Subject: [Elder-News]: LDS FAMILY SEARCH COMING SOON
From: LEW1991@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 05:51:58 EST
FYI - This message came through on the Kelley family list - seemed worth sharing. Linda Subject: LDS FAMILY SEARCH COMING SOON As the director of a LDS Family History Center, I have received a notice from Salt Lake LDS FHL, announcing the Beta testing of Family Search on line. It is not yet up, a problem with a piece of equipment, but will be starting sometimes this month and will be up only a few weeks as a test run. If there is not a lot of interest it will be taken off and not put back on. So spread the word and keep trying to get through. When it comes on line the URL will be: > www.familysearch.org <. I have not been told exactly what will be available but know at least the Ancestral File and Family History Library Catalog will be included. Family Search is the name of the program we have on CDs in all LDS FHCs. Some public libraries also have this program. FS includes the IGI, Ancestral File, Family History Library Catalog, Social Security Death Records, Koran and Vietnam war death records, and Scottish Church Records. For those of you not familiar with the various searches, the IGI is the International Genealogical Index. It includes, in alphabetical order, all of the names that have been sent to the Temples to have ordinances performed in their name. Names in the IGI are usually submitted by members, but not always. Non-members also submit their family names to get them into the IGI. Some of the marriages may have been part of extraction programs. The names were taken from courthouse records and checked and rechecked by several volunteers before being accepted as correct. Most people do try to send in accurate information but there are many mistakes. My advice is, always check the original source. Use the IGI to find where people with your surname would have lived and order the census and court records from that area. Ancestral File is Gedcoms of group and pedigree sheets sent in by members and non-members. The name and address of the submitter is included and hopefully will allow you to contact others working on your line. If the address is out of date sometimes a letter to the Membership dept. in Salt Lake will get you a correct address if the person was a member of the LDS church. Once again, the material is only as good as the research that went into it and some of it is pretty bad. Check it out before you 'adopt' it. If you find a mistake on Ancestral File, you can send in your corrections, along with your sources of proof, and it will be noted in the next update. The first submitter does not have to provide proof, but you do, if you are making a correction. You can add additions to a file, or submit a new file. You do not have to be a member to submit material. The Family History Library Catalog is a listing of every book, film and fiche available at the Salt Lake City LDS Family History Library. This allows us to find what is available for each locality, world-wide. It includes the FHL call numbers and a description of what is included in the film/fiche or book. The material from the books and film/fiche will not be on line. That is not something they can do, at this time. Hopefully it will be a possibility some time in the distant future. The film and fiche will still have to be ordered through FHC. Microfilm and microfiche are the property of the FHL and are sent into the care of the LDS FHC director and must remain under her/his care until returned. For this reason they are never allowed to be taken from the LDS FHC. Almost all of the microfilm and microfiche at the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City can be ordered into any LDS FHL, anywhere in the world, but there are a few exceptions. Copyright laws prevent them from using material without the written consent of the owner. Some of the film and fiche where filmed by companies other than the LDS Church and permission to circulate these film to LDS FHCs has been denied. There will be a notice included in the description, saying it can not be circulated. Many of the SC microfilm where made by a company who has refused permission to allow the film to be circulated, but there are many microfilm available for SC, some covering the same material that is on the restricted film. The LDS FHL is a non-profit organization, and that is why it still cost only 15 cents a sheet for a microfiche, $3.25 plus tax to rent a microfilm for a month [may be more in other countries] and the Source Guide and other home use programs are sold at such a reasonable price. We aren't allowed to make a profit, even in the FHCs. The books that are listed are not loaned out but can sometimes be obtained through an Inter-library loan through your public library. You can request copies of pages and if a book is indexed, by ordering the index you can see if your people would have been listed. In cases where the copyright has expired the book may have been filmed or can be filmed upon request. Never hurts to ask.
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Elder family in Cambria County
From: "john" <apuabu@redrose.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 17:15:18 -0500
I have HELEN ELDER BORN 1855 TO JAMES AND SARA JOHN apuabu@redrose.net ---------- > From: Nanbeh@aol.com > To: elder-news@intrepid.net > Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder family in Cambria County > Date: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 10:00 PM > > I have Helen Elder (b.1831) > married to James Delozier. > Does anyone have any > information on Helen's > parents? > > Thanks > Nancy Kell
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:16:15, -0500
#7 James Elder b. 1712 d. 1818 m. (1) name unknown
m. (2) 5 Mar 1759 Elizabeth Maips
children of 1st wife
A. Robert m.(1) Elizabeth Watt (2) Mary _____
B. David m. Margery/Margaret Stewart(d/o Alexander
C. John who lived in Fannett, Cumberland/Franklin Co - more later
D. perhaps Thomas who had land patent Cumberland Co and gave it
to Margaret (Elder) McConnell's children and Thomas
was later living in Buffaloe/ White Deer
E. perhaps Margaret wife of George McConnell
F. perhaps others
children of Elizabeth Maips
G. Martha wife of William Taylor. She received land from #7 James
her children sold this land - Franklin County.
H. Agnes b. 17 Mar 1763
--------------------------------------------------------------
North Carolina Group - parents as yet unknown
They may be descendant of James Elder of York Co, Pa
who had several sons and a daughter Rosanna.
A. John b.abt 1756 m. (1) Margaret Hill (2) Peggy White
B. Rosanna
C. James b. 14 Mar 1766 Hopewell, Randolph, N.C.
m. abt 1790 Hannah
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------
Old information:
#7. James b. 1712 m. (1) (I doubt she was Ms Cole) (2) Elizabeth
Maips
A. Robert m. (1) Elizabeth Watt (2) Mary _____
B. David m. (Margery/Margaret Stewart)
C. Rosanna Martha
D. John b.abt 1756 m. (1) Margaret Hill (2) Peggy White
E. Agnes m. Robert Kerr
F. James b. 14 Mar 1766 Hopewell, Randolph, N.C.
m. abt 1790 Hannah
Subject: [Elder-News]: #7 James Elder
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:16:15, -0500
#7 James Elder b. 1712 d. 1818 m. (1) name unknown
m. (2) 5 Mar 1759 Elizabeth Maips
children of 1st wife
A. Robert m.(1) Elizabeth Watt (2) Mary _____
B. David m. Margery/Margaret Stewart(d/o Alexander
C. John who lived in Fannett, Cumberland/Franklin Co - more later
D. perhaps Thomas who had land patent Cumberland Co and gave it
to Margaret (Elder) McConnell's children and Thomas
was later living in Buffaloe/ White Deer
E. perhaps Margaret wife of George McConnell
F. perhaps others
children of Elizabeth Maips
G. Martha wife of William Taylor. She received land from #7 James
her children sold this land - Franklin County.
H. Agnes b. 17 Mar 1763
--------------------------------------------------------------
North Carolina Group - parents as yet unknown
They may be descendant of James Elder of York Co, Pa
who had several sons and a daughter Rosanna.
A. John b.abt 1756 m. (1) Margaret Hill (2) Peggy White
B. Rosanna
C. James b. 14 Mar 1766 Hopewell, Randolph, N.C.
m. abt 1790 Hannah
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------
Old information:
#7. James b. 1712 m. (1) (I doubt she was Ms Cole) (2) Elizabeth
Maips
A. Robert m. (1) Elizabeth Watt (2) Mary _____
B. David m. (Margery/Margaret Stewart)
C. Rosanna Martha
D. John b.abt 1756 m. (1) Margaret Hill (2) Peggy White
E. Agnes m. Robert Kerr
F. James b. 14 Mar 1766 Hopewell, Randolph, N.C.
m. abt 1790 Hannah
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:20:15, -0500
John Elder son of #7 James Elder ( b. 1712 d. 1818) John Elder ( James & 1st wife, Robert & Eleanor) was born before 1742. He purchased land 1763 - he had to be 21 years of age. On 16 Apr 1763, John Elder acquird a warrent in Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa. In 1767 an order was granted to John Elder to survey his land in Fannett. John was on the tax list for Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa - 1763, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1779, 1781, 1782, 1772 Apr 20 - Jane Elder, daughter of John Elder, married Joshua Anderson Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co, Pa 1775 May 4 - Elizabeth Elder, daughter of John Elder, married Robert Patton Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co Deed - 1791 - Franklin County - Deed Book 2, pg 373 John Elder Senior and son, David Elder, sold some of the land surveyed to John Elder. Both John Elder Senior and son, David Elder were of Fannett Franklin Co, Pa Deed - 1797 Aug 22nd - Franklin County - Deed Book 4, pg 372 John Elder Senior now of Derry. Westmoreland Co sell to his son, John Jr, of Fannett, Co, land on which John Jr now lives. The will of John Elder - Wills of Westmoreland County #317 - Will Book 1, pg 197 (this is the son of #7.James) Signed 17 Feb 1795 - Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa - proved in Westmoreland Co named in the will: 1. son David 2. son John 3. son-in-law, Joshua Anderson (husband of Jane (Elder) Anderson 4. son-in-law, Robert Patton (husband of Elizabeth (Elder) Patton 5. granddaughter Elizabeth Patton Mary Cole, 70 Ridgecrest Rd, Kentfield, Ca 94904-2746 CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:20:15, -0500
John Elder son of #7 James Elder ( b. 1712 d. 1818) John Elder ( James & 1st wife, Robert & Eleanor) was born before 1742. He purchased land 1763 - he had to be 21 years of age. On 16 Apr 1763, John Elder acquird a warrent in Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa. In 1767 an order was granted to John Elder to survey his land in Fannett. John was on the tax list for Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa - 1763, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1779, 1781, 1782, 1772 Apr 20 - Jane Elder, daughter of John Elder, married Joshua Anderson Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co, Pa 1775 May 4 - Elizabeth Elder, daughter of John Elder, married Robert Patton Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co Deed - 1791 - Franklin County - Deed Book 2, pg 373 John Elder Senior and son, David Elder, sold some of the land surveyed to John Elder. Both John Elder Senior and son, David Elder were of Fannett Franklin Co, Pa Deed - 1797 Aug 22nd - Franklin County - Deed Book 4, pg 372 John Elder Senior now of Derry. Westmoreland Co sell to his son, John Jr, of Fannett, Co, land on which John Jr now lives. The will of John Elder - Wills of Westmoreland County #317 - Will Book 1, pg 197 (this is the son of #7.James) Signed 17 Feb 1795 - Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa - proved in Westmoreland Co named in the will: 1. son David 2. son John 3. son-in-law, Joshua Anderson (husband of Jane (Elder) Anderson 4. son-in-law, Robert Patton (husband of Elizabeth (Elder) Patton 5. granddaughter Elizabeth Patton Mary Cole, 70 Ridgecrest Rd, Kentfield, Ca 94904-2746 CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: John Elder s/o #7 James Elder -
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:22:40, -0500
John Elder son of #7 James Elder ( b. 1712 d. 1818) John Elder ( James & 1st wife, Robert & Eleanor) was born before 1742. He purchased land 1763 - he had to be 21 years of age. On 16 Apr 1763, John Elder acquird a warrent in Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa. In 1767 an order was granted to John Elder to survey his land in Fannett. John was on the tax list for Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa - 1763, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1779, 1781, 1782, 1772 Apr 20 - Jane Elder, daughter of John Elder, married Joshua Anderson Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co, Pa 1775 May 4 - Elizabeth Elder, daughter of John Elder, married Robert Patton Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co Deed - 1791 - Franklin County - Deed Book 2, pg 373 John Elder Senior and son, David Elder, sold some of the land surveyed to John Elder. Both John Elder Senior and son, David Elder were of Fannett Franklin Co, Pa Deed - 1797 Aug 22nd - Franklin County - Deed Book 4, pg 372 John Elder Senior now of Derry. Westmoreland Co sell to his son, John Jr, of Fannett, Co, land on which John Jr now lives. The will of John Elder - Wills of Westmoreland County #317 - Will Book 1, pg 197 (this is the son of #7.James) Signed 17 Feb 1795 - Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa - proved in Westmoreland Co named in the will: 1. son David 2. son John 3. son-in-law, Joshua Anderson (husband of Jane (Elder) Anderson 4. son-in-law, Robert Patton (husband of Elizabeth (Elder) Patton 5. granddaughter Elizabeth Patton Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder s/o #7 James Elder -
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:22:40, -0500
John Elder son of #7 James Elder ( b. 1712 d. 1818) John Elder ( James & 1st wife, Robert & Eleanor) was born before 1742. He purchased land 1763 - he had to be 21 years of age. On 16 Apr 1763, John Elder acquird a warrent in Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa. In 1767 an order was granted to John Elder to survey his land in Fannett. John was on the tax list for Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa - 1763, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1779, 1781, 1782, 1772 Apr 20 - Jane Elder, daughter of John Elder, married Joshua Anderson Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co, Pa 1775 May 4 - Elizabeth Elder, daughter of John Elder, married Robert Patton Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co Deed - 1791 - Franklin County - Deed Book 2, pg 373 John Elder Senior and son, David Elder, sold some of the land surveyed to John Elder. Both John Elder Senior and son, David Elder were of Fannett Franklin Co, Pa Deed - 1797 Aug 22nd - Franklin County - Deed Book 4, pg 372 John Elder Senior now of Derry. Westmoreland Co sell to his son, John Jr, of Fannett, Co, land on which John Jr now lives. The will of John Elder - Wills of Westmoreland County #317 - Will Book 1, pg 197 (this is the son of #7.James) Signed 17 Feb 1795 - Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa - proved in Westmoreland Co named in the will: 1. son David 2. son John 3. son-in-law, Joshua Anderson (husband of Jane (Elder) Anderson 4. son-in-law, Robert Patton (husband of Elizabeth (Elder) Patton 5. granddaughter Elizabeth Patton Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: #7 James Elder
From: Sherry <sherdh@foxinternet.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 13:29:18 -0800
Please put *full* locations! There are so many Elders in so many places and locations are really a necessity - including state name. Thanks, Sherry At 01:16 PM 3/6/99 -0500, you wrote: >#7 James Elder b. 1712 d. 1818 m. (1) name unknown > m. (2) 5 Mar 1759 Elizabeth Maips
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elizabeth Elder Brawner
From: EACTrox@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:29:18 EST
Could anyone tell me if Elizabeth Elder Brawner b. 1742, wife of Richard Brawner, had a second marriage to Cornelius Ridge? An Elizabeth Brawner married Cornelius Ridge February 7, 1783 in Frederick County, Md. Elizabeth Elder Brawner's first husband's will was probated 12 January 1783. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Elizabeth Clopper Troxell EACTrox@aol.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: John S. Elder
From: DHoward575@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 07:43:35 EST
I am searching for information on a John S. Elder. He was born in Portland, Maine on April 18, 1784 a twin to a Samuel T. Elder. These two brothers used to sail a ship from Maine down the east coast to trade with the southern states, but were forced ashore in Georgia by the English warships. Samuel met and married a Burissa (Burrisey) Walker in Elbert County, Georgia. I have no information on what happen to the other brother, John. Can anyone help me out ? David Howard
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John S. Elder
From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 14:17:14 -0600
Hi John: I have John S. Elder and Samuel Tyng Elder in a Directory in my computer with 270 names and 93 marriages. Samuel Tying Elder b. 04-18-1784 in Portland ME. d. 12-01-1829 in Jackson, MS. He married Mary Burissa Walker on 02-10-1814 at Elbert Co., GA. She was born 10-14-1747 at Elbert Co., GA., and d. 12-31-1886 and is buried near Elbert Ferry, Moss Point, MS. They had eight children. I don't have anything on John except I know who was the father and mother of both brothers. Lee M. Elder DHoward575@aol.com wrote: > I am searching for information on a John S. Elder. He was born in Portland, > Maine on April 18, 1784 a twin to a Samuel T. Elder. These two brothers used > to sail a ship from Maine down the east coast to trade with the southern > states, but were forced ashore in Georgia by the English warships. Samuel met > and married a Burissa (Burrisey) Walker in Elbert County, Georgia. I have no > information on what happen to the other brother, John. Can anyone help me out > ? > > David Howard
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: #7 James Elder
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:52:19, -0500
Sherry wrote
>Please put *full* locations! There are so many Elders in so many
places
>and locations are really a necessity - including state name.
This may not be much better, but I thought I would post my latest
chart. If I don't include the state - it is Pa. This is just my
opinion.
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Elder Family - My Outline
Mary Cole
70 Ridgecrest Rd, Kentfield, Ca 94904-2746
CDGG47A@Prodigy.
Robert Elder b. 1679 Scotland, in Ireland by 1727, in America by
1730
Paxtang Twp,Pa
d. 28 Jul 1746 Paxtang, Lancaster Co, Pa (now Daulphin)
I. Robert Elder b. 1704 m. ?? d. 1807
(I am using my own list of letters)
A. James (named in brother B. John's will in 1756) - James exec.
the
will so was still alive in 1756. I believe he died in York Co
abt 1789.
1. Mary
2. Andrew
3. Joseph
4. Benjamin
5. Rosana
6. James
* B. John b. abt 1730 d. unmarried Dec 1756 will Lancaster Co, Ps
named her brother James as Exec.
C. Robert b. abt 1732 m. (1) Miss Cole (2) Mary Taylor - resident
of Indiana Co, Pa - left children
D. Samuel b. 1734 d. 13 Apr 1813 m. Mary Robinson
res. Maryland - left children
E. Isabel b. 1730 - 1732 m. (1) William Wallace (2) William Breden
1. William Wallace
2. Martha Wallace
3. Elder Breden
F. David m. Eleanor - went to Ohio
had children
G. Elizabeth b. abt 1740
II. Rev. John b. 26 Jan 1706 Edinburgh Scotland d. 17 Jul 1792 age
84
m (1) Mary Baker d.12 Jun 1749 age 33
m (2) 5 Nov 1751 Mary Simpson she died 3 Oct 1786
He served the conregation of Paxtang until his death 1792
He had children
III. Thomas b. 1708 d. 1751-1752 Lancaster Co, Pa - Will Book J pg
45
m. Mary Patterson d/o Wm Patterson
A. John b. 1740 -1750 d. 1800 - will dated 14 Oct 1800 proved
10 Nov 1800 Will of Westmoreland Co #232
Will Book 1 - pg 158
1. Thomas Elder (of age and ex.)
2. Isabella Elder m. Mr. Thompson perhaps Alexander
3. Joseph Elder of age
4. James Elder - still under age in 1800
5. Elizabeth Elder - still under age in 1800
6. Robert Elder - still under age in 1800 and needed a
guardian - Joshua Elder was suggested
(Joshua's identity is not know to me at
this time)
B. Rachel
C. Robert
IV. David b. 1710 d. may have died intestate 1764, Lancaster Co, Pa
m. Hannah Anderson
A. Robert m. Mary Whitside and had children
V. James b. 1712 in Scotland d. Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa 13 Sep 1818
m. (1) ______ (2) 5 Mar 1759 Elizabeth Maips at
Swedews' Church, Phil.
(Elizabeth b. 1714 d. 17 Jul 1816)
There is no record of either being a member of the Swedes'
church. It may be,as happened in those days,that Elizabeth
was a member of another church whose ministers were not
allowed to preform marriage and they simply went to Phil.
to be married.
On tax list Lurgan, Cumberland Co, Pa 1751, 1753, 1759,
and 1760.
James received a warrent, Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa
3 Jun 1762. Fannett is west of Lurgan
On tax list Fannett, Cumberland/Franklin Cos - 1763, 1767,
1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1781, 1782.
children by 1st wife
A. Robert b. ?? m.(1) it is said to be Elizabeth Watts
m (2) Mary ______
d. abt 1807 Franklin Co, Pa - will dated 4 Oct 1799
proved 21 Apr 1807 Franlin Will Book B-
pg 320
1. David b. 1.8. 1752 d. 1823
m. (1) Elizabeth McConnell d. bef. 1786
d/o George & Margaret (Elder?) McConnell
m. (2) Jane Boggs
had children
2. Abraham b. 27 Jul 1755 m. Susannah Ardery
res. Centre Co, Pa
had children
3. John - m. and had children
4. Robert m. Susanna Gamble - had children
5. Matthew bur. Dry Run Pa - had children
m. James McConnell d/o John & Rachel (Alexander)
McConnell of Lack, Juniata Co, Pa
6. Joseph m. and had children - res. Ligunier, Pa
7. Samuel m. 1798 Jane Truesdale - had children
B. David - will written 10 Jun 1807 proved 18 Mar 1813
Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa - will book C - pg 91
m. Margery/Margaret Stewart b. Donegal, Ireland
d/o Alexander & Rebecca (Galbraith) Stewart.
Alexander died in Donegal - Rebecca brought her
younger children to Pa to join her parents-
James & Rebecca (Chambers) Galbraith
1. Mary b. 21 Aug 1757 d. 5 Oct 1836 bur. Nashannock Cem
Mercer/ Lawrence Co, Pa
m. Capt. William Young - had children
2. William b. 20 Jul 1750 m. 1784 Sarah Abraham
had children
3. Elizabeth b.14 Dec 1762 d. 15 May 1825 bur. Nashannock
Cem, Mercer/ Lawrence Co, Pa
m. John Young - had children
this is my ancestors
4. Jane b. Jan 1765 - d. without issue
5. Isabel b. 26 Jul 1768 d. without issue
6. James b. 16 Jul 1770 d. without issue
7. John b. 28 Dec 1772 d. 1821 Dry Run, Cumberland Co, Pa
m. 22 Jun 1799 Mary Leeper - had children
8. Sarah m. James Barr
** C. John b. bef. 1742
m.______ owned property Fannett, Cumberland/Franklin
Cos from 1763 until abt 1798 when he went to Derry,
Westmoreland Co - perhaps because his daughter
Jane (Elder) Anderson was there.
1. Jane m. 20 Apr 1772 Joshua Anderson - Upper West
Conococheague, Presbyterian Church Mercersburg,
Franklin Co,
Pa
res. Derry, Westmoreland Co, Pa
a. John Anderson
b. Thomas Anderson
c. Elizabeth Anderson
d. Jane Anderson
e. Ann Anderson
2. Elizabeth m. 4 May 1775 Robert Patton - Upper West
Conococheague, Presbyterian Church Mercersburg,
Franklin Co, Pa
a. Elizabeth Patton
b. perhaps others
3. David of Franklin Co, Pa
4. John of Franklin Co, Pa
D. ? Thomas had land paten Cumberland Co 1757 - he sold it to the
children of V. E. Margaret McConnell for 5 shillings
Thomas a res. Buffaloe/White Deer
1. John b. 1762 m. Mary/Polly Doughterty
had children
E. ? Margaret m. George McConnell
1. James McConnell m. Elizabeth Stewart
2. Elizabeth McConnell d. bef. 1786
m. V. A 1. David Elder as 1st wife.
no issue
3. Susanna McConnell m. Robert Ramsey
4. Jean/Jane McConnell m. John Ramsey
5. Catherine McConnell m. James barnet
6. Margaret McConnell m. Robert Alexander
7. Nancy McConnell m. Joseph Stewart
8. Rachel McConnell m. John McMahon
F. ? perhaps others
children by Elizabeth Maips
G. Martha m. William Taylor - her father, V.James, sold her land
in
Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa
19 Mar 1780 - Vol. 2 - Book E pg 522
had children
*** H. Agnes b. 17 Mar 1863 d. 15 Apr 1859 m. Jun 1784 Robert Kerr
had children
VI. Ann b. 1718 or 1713 m. John Anderson
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* Will of I.B. John Elder -
Lancaster Co, Pa written 1 Nov 1756 proved 12 Jan 1757
John Elder of Hanover twp.
Exec. James Elder
Those named: Father - Robert Elder
Brother - Samuel Elder
Brother - Robert Elder
Brother - David Elder
Brother - James Elder
Sister - Elizabeth Elder
Sister - Isabella Bredenstein
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--------------------
** V. C. John Elder - further information
John Elder was born before 1742. He purchased land 1763 -
he had to be 21 years of age.
On 16 Apr 1763, John Elder acquired a warrent in Fannett,
Cumberland Co, Pa. In 1767 an order was granted to
John
Elder to survey his land in Fannett.
John was on the tax list for Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa -
1763, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774,
1775, 1776, 1779, 1781, 1782,
1772 Apr 20 - Jane Elder, daughter of John Elder, married
Joshua Anderson Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian
Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co, Pa
1775 May 4 - Elizabeth Elder, daughter of John Elder,
married Robert Patton Upper West Conococheague,
Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co
Deed - 1791 - Franklin County - Deed Book 2, pg 373
John Elder Senior and son, David Elder, sold some of the land
surveyed to John Elder. Both John Elder Senior and son,
David Elder were of Fannett Franklin Co, Pa
Deed - 1797 Aug 22nd - Franklin County - Deed Book 4,
pg 372 John Elder Senior now of Derry. Westmoreland Co
sell to his son, John Jr, of Fannett, Co, land on which
John Jr
now lives.
The will of John Elder - Wills of Westmoreland County #317
- Will Book 1, pg 197 (this is the son of #7.James)
Signed 17 Feb 1795 - Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa - proved in
Westmoreland Co named in the will:
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*** V. H. Agnes - more information
Will of Robert Kerr - will #1492 dated 20 Jan 1817 proved
20 Aug 1817. "... if my land is Rented the profits arising
from the same is to go to the support of my wife and
Father-in-law James Elder ..."
"My will is that my wife Agnes..."
Franklin Co, Pa - Deed Book 1 pg 212
James & Elizabeth Elder of Fannett, Franklin
conveyed land to Robert Kerr
From Agnes (Elder) Kerr's obituary Ross Co, Ohio:
"Died April 15th 1859..."
" ... Her parents both lived to over one hundred years of age. -----
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-----
Mary Cole
CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: #7 James Elder
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:52:19, -0500
Sherry wrote
>Please put *full* locations! There are so many Elders in so many
places
>and locations are really a necessity - including state name.
This may not be much better, but I thought I would post my latest
chart. If I don't include the state - it is Pa. This is just my
opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Elder Family - My Outline
Mary Cole
70 Ridgecrest Rd, Kentfield, Ca 94904-2746
CDGG47A@Prodigy.
Robert Elder b. 1679 Scotland, in Ireland by 1727, in America by
1730
Paxtang Twp,Pa
d. 28 Jul 1746 Paxtang, Lancaster Co, Pa (now Daulphin)
I. Robert Elder b. 1704 m. ?? d. 1807
(I am using my own list of letters)
A. James (named in brother B. John's will in 1756) - James exec.
the
will so was still alive in 1756. I believe he died in York Co
abt 1789.
1. Mary
2. Andrew
3. Joseph
4. Benjamin
5. Rosana
6. James
* B. John b. abt 1730 d. unmarried Dec 1756 will Lancaster Co, Ps
named her brother James as Exec.
C. Robert b. abt 1732 m. (1) Miss Cole (2) Mary Taylor - resident
of Indiana Co, Pa - left children
D. Samuel b. 1734 d. 13 Apr 1813 m. Mary Robinson
res. Maryland - left children
E. Isabel b. 1730 - 1732 m. (1) William Wallace (2) William Breden
1. William Wallace
2. Martha Wallace
3. Elder Breden
F. David m. Eleanor - went to Ohio
had children
G. Elizabeth b. abt 1740
II. Rev. John b. 26 Jan 1706 Edinburgh Scotland d. 17 Jul 1792 age
84
m (1) Mary Baker d.12 Jun 1749 age 33
m (2) 5 Nov 1751 Mary Simpson she died 3 Oct 1786
He served the conregation of Paxtang until his death 1792
He had children
III. Thomas b. 1708 d. 1751-1752 Lancaster Co, Pa - Will Book J pg
45
m. Mary Patterson d/o Wm Patterson
A. John b. 1740 -1750 d. 1800 - will dated 14 Oct 1800 proved
10 Nov 1800 Will of Westmoreland Co #232
Will Book 1 - pg 158
1. Thomas Elder (of age and ex.)
2. Isabella Elder m. Mr. Thompson perhaps Alexander
3. Joseph Elder of age
4. James Elder - still under age in 1800
5. Elizabeth Elder - still under age in 1800
6. Robert Elder - still under age in 1800 and needed a
guardian - Joshua Elder was suggested
(Joshua's identity is not know to me at
this time)
B. Rachel
C. Robert
IV. David b. 1710 d. may have died intestate 1764, Lancaster Co, Pa
m. Hannah Anderson
A. Robert m. Mary Whitside and had children
V. James b. 1712 in Scotland d. Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa 13 Sep 1818
m. (1) ______ (2) 5 Mar 1759 Elizabeth Maips at
Swedews' Church, Phil.
(Elizabeth b. 1714 d. 17 Jul 1816)
There is no record of either being a member of the Swedes'
church. It may be,as happened in those days,that Elizabeth
was a member of another church whose ministers were not
allowed to preform marriage and they simply went to Phil.
to be married.
On tax list Lurgan, Cumberland Co, Pa 1751, 1753, 1759,
and 1760.
James received a warrent, Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa
3 Jun 1762. Fannett is west of Lurgan
On tax list Fannett, Cumberland/Franklin Cos - 1763, 1767,
1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1781, 1782.
children by 1st wife
A. Robert b. ?? m.(1) it is said to be Elizabeth Watts
m (2) Mary ______
d. abt 1807 Franklin Co, Pa - will dated 4 Oct 1799
proved 21 Apr 1807 Franlin Will Book B-
pg 320
1. David b. 1.8. 1752 d. 1823
m. (1) Elizabeth McConnell d. bef. 1786
d/o George & Margaret (Elder?) McConnell
m. (2) Jane Boggs
had children
2. Abraham b. 27 Jul 1755 m. Susannah Ardery
res. Centre Co, Pa
had children
3. John - m. and had children
4. Robert m. Susanna Gamble - had children
5. Matthew bur. Dry Run Pa - had children
m. James McConnell d/o John & Rachel (Alexander)
McConnell of Lack, Juniata Co, Pa
6. Joseph m. and had children - res. Ligunier, Pa
7. Samuel m. 1798 Jane Truesdale - had children
B. David - will written 10 Jun 1807 proved 18 Mar 1813
Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa - will book C - pg 91
m. Margery/Margaret Stewart b. Donegal, Ireland
d/o Alexander & Rebecca (Galbraith) Stewart.
Alexander died in Donegal - Rebecca brought her
younger children to Pa to join her parents-
James & Rebecca (Chambers) Galbraith
1. Mary b. 21 Aug 1757 d. 5 Oct 1836 bur. Nashannock Cem
Mercer/ Lawrence Co, Pa
m. Capt. William Young - had children
2. William b. 20 Jul 1750 m. 1784 Sarah Abraham
had children
3. Elizabeth b.14 Dec 1762 d. 15 May 1825 bur. Nashannock
Cem, Mercer/ Lawrence Co, Pa
m. John Young - had children
this is my ancestors
4. Jane b. Jan 1765 - d. without issue
5. Isabel b. 26 Jul 1768 d. without issue
6. James b. 16 Jul 1770 d. without issue
7. John b. 28 Dec 1772 d. 1821 Dry Run, Cumberland Co, Pa
m. 22 Jun 1799 Mary Leeper - had children
8. Sarah m. James Barr
** C. John b. bef. 1742
m.______ owned property Fannett, Cumberland/Franklin
Cos from 1763 until abt 1798 when he went to Derry,
Westmoreland Co - perhaps because his daughter
Jane (Elder) Anderson was there.
1. Jane m. 20 Apr 1772 Joshua Anderson - Upper West
Conococheague, Presbyterian Church Mercersburg,
Franklin Co,
Pa
res. Derry, Westmoreland Co, Pa
a. John Anderson
b. Thomas Anderson
c. Elizabeth Anderson
d. Jane Anderson
e. Ann Anderson
2. Elizabeth m. 4 May 1775 Robert Patton - Upper West
Conococheague, Presbyterian Church Mercersburg,
Franklin Co, Pa
a. Elizabeth Patton
b. perhaps others
3. David of Franklin Co, Pa
4. John of Franklin Co, Pa
D. ? Thomas had land paten Cumberland Co 1757 - he sold it to the
children of V. E. Margaret McConnell for 5 shillings
Thomas a res. Buffaloe/White Deer
1. John b. 1762 m. Mary/Polly Doughterty
had children
E. ? Margaret m. George McConnell
1. James McConnell m. Elizabeth Stewart
2. Elizabeth McConnell d. bef. 1786
m. V. A 1. David Elder as 1st wife.
no issue
3. Susanna McConnell m. Robert Ramsey
4. Jean/Jane McConnell m. John Ramsey
5. Catherine McConnell m. James barnet
6. Margaret McConnell m. Robert Alexander
7. Nancy McConnell m. Joseph Stewart
8. Rachel McConnell m. John McMahon
F. ? perhaps others
children by Elizabeth Maips
G. Martha m. William Taylor - her father, V.James, sold her land
in
Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa
19 Mar 1780 - Vol. 2 - Book E pg 522
had children
*** H. Agnes b. 17 Mar 1863 d. 15 Apr 1859 m. Jun 1784 Robert Kerr
had children
VI. Ann b. 1718 or 1713 m. John Anderson
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* Will of I.B. John Elder -
Lancaster Co, Pa written 1 Nov 1756 proved 12 Jan 1757
John Elder of Hanover twp.
Exec. James Elder
Those named: Father - Robert Elder
Brother - Samuel Elder
Brother - Robert Elder
Brother - David Elder
Brother - James Elder
Sister - Elizabeth Elder
Sister - Isabella Bredenstein
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--------------------
** V. C. John Elder - further information
John Elder was born before 1742. He purchased land 1763 -
he had to be 21 years of age.
On 16 Apr 1763, John Elder acquired a warrent in Fannett,
Cumberland Co, Pa. In 1767 an order was granted to
John
Elder to survey his land in Fannett.
John was on the tax list for Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa -
1763, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774,
1775, 1776, 1779, 1781, 1782,
1772 Apr 20 - Jane Elder, daughter of John Elder, married
Joshua Anderson Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian
Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co, Pa
1775 May 4 - Elizabeth Elder, daughter of John Elder,
married Robert Patton Upper West Conococheague,
Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co
Deed - 1791 - Franklin County - Deed Book 2, pg 373
John Elder Senior and son, David Elder, sold some of the land
surveyed to John Elder. Both John Elder Senior and son,
David Elder were of Fannett Franklin Co, Pa
Deed - 1797 Aug 22nd - Franklin County - Deed Book 4,
pg 372 John Elder Senior now of Derry. Westmoreland Co
sell to his son, John Jr, of Fannett, Co, land on which
John Jr
now lives.
The will of John Elder - Wills of Westmoreland County #317
- Will Book 1, pg 197 (this is the son of #7.James)
Signed 17 Feb 1795 - Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa - proved in
Westmoreland Co named in the will:
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----------------
*** V. H. Agnes - more information
Will of Robert Kerr - will #1492 dated 20 Jan 1817 proved
20 Aug 1817. "... if my land is Rented the profits arising
from the same is to go to the support of my wife and
Father-in-law James Elder ..."
"My will is that my wife Agnes..."
Franklin Co, Pa - Deed Book 1 pg 212
James & Elizabeth Elder of Fannett, Franklin
conveyed land to Robert Kerr
From Agnes (Elder) Kerr's obituary Ross Co, Ohio:
"Died April 15th 1859..."
" ... Her parents both lived to over one hundred years of age. -----
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-----
Mary Cole
CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder - Presbyterian dominie
From: Rlaneb1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 23:06:23 EST
Does anyone have information about John Elder of Paxtang, Pennsylvania. He was a Presbyterian dominie (?) and lived there around 1769. Wife's name may have been Mary. This was in the Susquehanna area. He is connected with the "Paxtang Boys". Is there a connection with this John Elder family and the William Elder Family living in Iredell, North Carolina around the 1800s? Thanks, R.Bangsund rlaneb1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: LDS FAMILY SEARCH COMING SOON
From: JJSlaton@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 06:47:14 EST
Linda, Thanks for the news re Family History Center on line. This would be a great boon to those of us who are relatively housebound for whatever reasons. I used to research at the large LDS FHC in Los Angeles which is 2nd to Salt Lake I believe. I now live in SW Ohio and sure miss the wide range of materials that were located in L A. My husband is fighting lung and liver cancer and we just found out it has spread to his brain so my life is very tightly focused and it is impossible for me to go to the local FHC now. Could you please let us know when the web site is available. Thanks again. A fellow Elder researcher. Joyce J. Slaton
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: LDS FAMILY SEARCH COMING SOON
From: LEW1991@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:49:53 EST
Joyce, I check it every few days and will let folks know. There is another site, an unofficial LDS site. It works but I haven't really spent much time there: http://lds-online.com/door2.htm Our prayers are with you and your husband. Linda
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: #7 James Elder
From: RElder1922@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:06:17 EST
do you have any info for Robert Elder of Scotland. Spouse's name and any children?
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: #7 James Elder
From: LaCornwell@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:41:51 EST
In a message dated 3/9/99 5:09:58 PM Central Standard Time, RElder1922@aol.com writes: << do you have any info for Robert Elder of Scotland. Spouse's name and any children? >> Not much to go on here. What century? Anything on his children? I have a Robert Elder, b. 1679 at Elderslie, near Paisley Renfrewshire in lowland country about six miles from Glasgow, Scotland, and died Jul 28, 1746 in Paxtang Township, Lancaster, now Dauphin, County, PA. Some researchers believe his wife's name was Eleanor Gillespie. His children included Robert, John, Thomas, David, James (my line), and Ann. They married into the Tomson, Baker, Simpson, Patterson, Anderson, and Maips lines. Is this a hit? Larry Cornwell of Montgomery AL
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: #7 James Elder
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:20:49 -0500
A Robert Elder and wife Eleanor with I think two of their sons and speculation of a daughter came to Paxtang with the approximate (same) dates you have. The Rev John Elder better known as "The Fighting Parson" was I suspect their youngest son, he came later after he finished his education at Edinburgh. I believe they left from Ireland but they were Scotch. John Elder was married twice; this is a great family to research, I kept going back to them to see if my Elder's could possible have come from these in PA. They do not seem to have a connection to these Elder's. Many people on here have a lot more information than I do. I have information which is tucked away but I can always get it out. I am sure you will do very well with this family, enjoy. Ann Poe elderbrooks@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: LaCornwell@aol.com <LaCornwell@aol.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: #7 James Elder >In a message dated 3/9/99 5:09:58 PM Central Standard Time, RElder1922@aol.com >writes: > ><< do you have any info for Robert Elder of Scotland. Spouse's name and any > children? >> > >Not much to go on here. What century? Anything on his children? I have a >Robert Elder, b. 1679 at Elderslie, near Paisley Renfrewshire in lowland >country about six miles from Glasgow, Scotland, and died Jul 28, 1746 in >Paxtang Township, Lancaster, now Dauphin, County, PA. Some researchers >believe his wife's name was Eleanor Gillespie. His children included Robert, >John, Thomas, David, James (my line), and Ann. They married into the Tomson, >Baker, Simpson, Patterson, Anderson, and Maips lines. > >Is this a hit? > >Larry Cornwell of Montgomery AL >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: #7 James Elder
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 21:22:41 -0500
You requested the approximate date, I think about 1720. (Robert & Eleanor Elder) Ann -----Original Message----- From: LaCornwell@aol.com <LaCornwell@aol.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: #7 James Elder >In a message dated 3/9/99 5:09:58 PM Central Standard Time, RElder1922@aol.com >writes: > ><< do you have any info for Robert Elder of Scotland. Spouse's name and any > children? >> > >Not much to go on here. What century? Anything on his children? I have a >Robert Elder, b. 1679 at Elderslie, near Paisley Renfrewshire in lowland >country about six miles from Glasgow, Scotland, and died Jul 28, 1746 in >Paxtang Township, Lancaster, now Dauphin, County, PA. Some researchers >believe his wife's name was Eleanor Gillespie. His children included Robert, >John, Thomas, David, James (my line), and Ann. They married into the Tomson, >Baker, Simpson, Patterson, Anderson, and Maips lines. > >Is this a hit? > >Larry Cornwell of Montgomery AL >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: LDS FAMILY SEARCH COMING SOON
From: JJSlaton@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:15:10 EST
Linda, Thanks for the website and the prayers. We need all of those we can get. Joyce J. Slaton
Subject: [Elder-News]: http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/asp/patinfo.asp?AccessionNumber=OH0810__.041
From: "Thomas Wilson" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 99 07:51:33 PST
URL for George W(ashington) Elder's patent 05/25/1832 in Seneca County, Ohio. My ggggrandfather Thomas Jefferson Elder has one next to this. http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/asp/patinfo.asp?AccessionNumber=OH0810__.041 Thomas Lester Wilson twilson@pathwaynet.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: Renumbering the Elders
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:02:47, -0500
Renumbering the Elders for our use I find when discussing a family - like the Elders - with the given names used over and over again, it is important that these individuals are numbered. Then everyone knows who is being mentioned. I used #7 for my ancestor - James. This came from Lee Elder. It was his individual number for him. I have a problem with this - not all have Lee's chart and we may add to the known family. I then used V. with James - he was the 5th child and V is roman numeral. Again I was bothered every time I used V. James. Out of text it looks like v in the alphabet. So I am starting again 1st generation - Robert 1st or Robert & Eleanor - I like Robert & Eleanor 2nd generation - 1. Robert b. 1704 2. Rev. John b. 1706 3. Thomas b. 1708 4. David b. 1710 5. James b. 1712 6. Ann b. 1713 3rd generation - A - Z for each family 4th generation - 1 - 100 for each family 5th generation - a - z for each family Mary Cole, 70 Ridgecrest Rd, Kentfield, Ca 94904-2746 CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elder Family - my outline - new numbers
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:06:16, -0500
Elder Family - My Outline Mary Cole 70 Ridgecrest Rd, Kentfield, Ca 94904-2746 CDGG47A@Prodigy. Robert Elder b. 1679 Scotland, in Ireland by 1727, in America by 1730 Paxtang Twp,Pa d. 28 Jul 1746 Paxtang, Lancaster Co, Pa (now Daulphin) m. Eleanor (?Gillespie) 1. Robert Elder b. 1704 m. ?? d. 1807 (I am using my own list of letters) A. James (named in brother B. John's will in 1756) - James exec. the will so was still alive in 1756. Will York Co, Pa Will book H, page 44 - James Elder of Hamiltonban Twp dated 7 Jan 1788 proved 28 Jan 1790 abt 1789. 1. Mary 2. Andrew 3. Joseph 4. Benjamin 5. Rosana 6. James * B. John b. abt 1730 d. unmarried Dec 1756 will Lancaster Co, Ps named her brother James as Exec. C. Robert b. abt 1732 m. (1) Miss Cole (2) Mary Taylor - resident of Indiana Co, Pa - left children D. Samuel b. 1734 d. 13 Apr 1813 m. Mary Robinson res. Maryland - left children E. Isabel b. 1730 - 1732 m. (1) William Wallace (2) William Breden 1. William Wallace 2. Martha Wallace 3. Elder Breden F. David m. Eleanor - went to Ohio had children G. Elizabeth b. abt 1740 2. Rev. John b. 26 Jan 1706 Edinburgh Scotland d. 17 Jul 1792 age 84 m (1) Mary Baker d.12 Jun 1749 age 33 m (2) 5 Nov 1751 Mary Simpson she died 3 Oct 1786 He served the conregation of Paxtang until his death 1792 He had children 3. Thomas b. 1708 d. 1751-1752 Lancaster Co, Pa - Will Book J pg 45 m. Mary Patterson d/o Wm Patterson A. John b. 1740 -1750 d. 1800 - will dated 14 Oct 1800 proved 10 Nov 1800 Will of Westmoreland Co #232 Will Book 1 - pg 158 m. Mary Caruthers 1. Thomas Elder (of age and ex.) 2. Isabella Elder m. Mr. Thompson perhaps Alexander 3. Joseph Elder of age 4. James Elder - still under age in 1800 5. Elizabeth Elder - still under age in 1800 6. Robert Elder - still under age in 1800 and needed a guardian - Joshua Elder was suggested (Joshua's identity is not know to me at this time) B. Rachel C. Robert 4. David b. 1710 d. may have died intestate 1764, Lancaster Co, Pa m. Hannah Anderson A. Robert m. Mary Whitside and had children 5. James b. 1712 in Scotland d. Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa 13 Sep 1818 m. (1) ______ (2) 5 Mar 1759 Elizabeth Maips at Swedews' Church, Phil. (Elizabeth b. 1714 d. 17 Jul 1816) There is no record of either being a member of the Swedes' church. It may be,as happened in those days,that Elizabeth was a member of another church whose ministers were not allowed to preform marriage and they simply went to Phil. to be married. On tax list Lurgan, Cumberland Co, Pa 1751, 1753, 1759, and 1760. James received a warrent, Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa 3 Jun 1762. Fannett is west of Lurgan On tax list Fannett, Cumberland/Franklin Cos - 1763, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1781, 1782. children by 1st wife A. Robert b. ?? m.(1) it is said to be Elizabeth Watts m (2) Mary ______ d. abt 1807 Franklin Co, Pa - will dated 4 Oct 1799 proved 21 Apr 1807 Franlin Will Book B- pg 320 1. David b. 1.8. 1752 d. 1823 m. (1) Elizabeth McConnell d. bef. 1786 d/o George & Margaret (Elder?) McConnell m. (2) Jane Boggs had children 2. Abraham b. 27 Jul 1755 m. Susannah Ardery res. Centre Co, Pa had children 3. John - m. and had children 4. Robert m. Susanna Gamble - had children 5. Matthew bur. Dry Run Pa - had children m. James McConnell d/o John & Rachel (Alexander) McConnell of Lack, Juniata Co, Pa 6. Joseph m. and had children - res. Ligunier, Pa 7. Samuel m. 1798 Jane Truesdale - had children B. David - will written 10 Jun 1807 proved 18 Mar 1813 Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa - will book C - pg 91 m. Margery/Margaret Stewart b. Donegal, Ireland d/o Alexander & Rebecca (Galbraith) Stewart. Alexander died in Donegal - Rebecca brought her younger children to Pa to join her parents- James & Rebecca (Chambers) Galbraith 1. Mary b. 21 Aug 1757 d. 5 Oct 1836 bur. Nashannock Cem Mercer/ Lawrence Co, Pa m. Capt. William Young - had children 2. William b. 20 Jul 1750 m. 1784 Sarah Abraham had children 3. Elizabeth b.14 Dec 1762 d. 15 May 1825 bur. Nashannock Cem, Mercer/ Lawrence Co, Pa m. John Young - had children this is my ancestors 4. Jane b. Jan 1765 - d. without issue 5. Isabel b. 26 Jul 1768 d. without issue 6. James b. 16 Jul 1770 d. without issue 7. John b. 28 Dec 1772 d. 1821 Dry Run, Cumberland Co, Pa m. 22 Jun 1799 Mary Leeper - had children 8. Sarah m. James Barr ** C. John b. bef. 1742 m.______ owned property Fannett, Cumberland/Franklin Cos from 1763 until abt 1798 when he went to Derry, Westmoreland Co - perhaps because his daughter Jane (Elder) Anderson was there. 1. Jane m. 20 Apr 1772 Joshua Anderson - Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian Church Mercersburg,Franklin Co, Pa res. Derry, Westmoreland Co, Pa a. John Anderson b. Thomas Anderson c. Elizabeth Anderson d. Jane Anderson e. Ann Anderson 2. Elizabeth m. 4 May 1775 Robert Patton - Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian Church Mercersburg, Franklin Co, Pa a. Elizabeth Patton b. perhaps others 3. David of Franklin Co, Pa 4. John of Franklin Co, Pa D. ? Thomas had land paten Cumberland Co 1757 - land adjacent to to 5. James Elder Thomas sold it to the children of 5. E. Margaret McConnell for 5 shillings Thomas a res. Buffaloe/White Deer Northumberland Co 1. ? John b. 1762 m. Mary/Polly Doughterty had children 2. ? Robert b. 1769 m. Mary & had children res. 1800, 1810 Northumberland Co res. 1820, 1830 Jackson Co, Ohio E. ? Margaret m. George McConnell 1. James McConnell m. Elizabeth Stewart 2. Elizabeth McConnell d. bef. 1786 m. 5. A 1. David Elder as 1st wife. no issue 3. Susanna McConnell m. Robert Ramsey 4. Jean/Jane McConnell m. John Ramsey 5. Catherine McConnell m. James barnet 6. Margaret McConnell m. Robert Alexander 7. Nancy McConnell m. Joseph Stewart 8. Rachel McConnell m. John McMahon F. ? perhaps others children by Elizabeth Maips G. Martha m. William Taylor - her father, 5.James, sold her land in Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa 19 Mar 1780 - Vol. 2 - Book E pg 522 had children *** H. Agnes b. 17 Mar 1863 d. 15 Apr 1859 m. Jun 1784 Robert Kerr had children 6. Ann b. 1718 or 1713 m. John Anderson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- * Will of 1. B. John Elder - Lancaster Co, Pa written 1 Nov 1756 proved 12 Jan 1757 John Elder of Hanover twp. Exec. James Elder Those named: Father - Robert Elder Brother - Samuel Elder Brother - Robert Elder Brother - David Elder Brother - James Elder Sister - Elizabeth Elder Sister - Isabella Bredenstein ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- ** 5. C. John Elder - further information John Elder was born before 1742. He purchased land 1763 - he had to be 21 years of age. On 16 Apr 1763, John Elder acquird a warrent in Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa. In 1767 an order was granted to John Elder to survey his land in Fannett. John was on the tax list for Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa - 1763, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1779, 1781, 1782, 1772 Apr 20 - Jane Elder, daughter of John Elder, married Joshua Anderson Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co, Pa 1775 May 4 - Elizabeth Elder, daughter of John Elder, married Robert Patton Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co Deed - 1791 - Franklin County - Deed Book 2, pg 373 John Elder Senior and son, David Elder, sold some of the land surveyed to John Elder. Both John Elder Senior and son, David Elder were of Fannett Franklin Co, Pa Deed - 1797 Aug 22nd - Franklin County - Deed Book 4, pg 372 John Elder Senior now of Derry. Westmoreland Co sell to his son, John Jr, of Fannett, Co, land on which John Jr now lives. The will of John Elder - Wills of Westmoreland County #317 - Will Book 1, pg 197 (this is the son of #7.James) Signed 17 Feb 1795 - Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa - proved in Westmoreland Co named in the will: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- *** 5. H. Agnes - more information Will of Robert Kerr - will #1492 dated 20 Jan 1817 proved 20 Aug 1817. "... if my land is Rented the profits arising from the same is to go to the support of my wife and Father-in-law James Elder ..." "My will is that my wife Agnes..." Franklin Co, Pa - Deed Book 1 pg 212 James & Elizabeth Elder of Fennett, Franklin conveyed land to Robetrt Kerr From Agnes (Elder) Kerr's obituary Ross Co, Ohio: "Died April 15th 1859..." " ... Her parents both lived to over one hundred years of age. ----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: Question and Answer
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:20:17, -0500
Received: from RElder1922@aol.com do you have any info for Robert Elder of Scotland. Spouse's name and any children? ----------------------------------------------------- Not much to go on here. What century? Anything on his children? I have a Robert Elder, b. 1679 at Elderslie, near Paisley Renfrewshire in lowland country about six miles from Glasgow, Scotland, and died Jul 28, 1746 in Paxtang Township, Lancaster, now Dauphin, County, PA. Some researchers believe his wife's name was Eleanor Gillespie. His children included Robert, John, Thomas, David, James (my line), and Ann. They married into the Tomson, Baker, Simpson, Patterson, Anderson, and Maips lines. Larry Cornwell of Montgomery AL From: LaCornwell@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- It sound good to me on the children - 1. Robert 2. Rev John 3. Thomas 4. David 5. James 6. Ann --------- I will add: Robert Elder, b. 1679 at Elderslie, near Paisley Renfrewshire in lowland country about six miles from Glasgow, Scotland. Does anyone know where, when, or why the name Gillespie was suggested as Eleanor's maiden name. This was not known when I first started the Elder research in 1980. Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: Numbering
From: Volchek <dragonlair@spacey.net>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:48:01 -0500
Have you considered the numbering system that is widely used whereby the earliest known ancestor is given the capital letter of the surname, in this case "E" and each successive descendant by generation is numbered according to their place among their siblings? Virginia Knight Nelson uses this numbering system in her book to give you an example. Jean K.
Subject: [Elder-News]: Numbering System
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:56:33 -0500
Elder "Numbering System"..I have Virginia Nelson's book out. Virginia explains in the Introduction the following: "To help explain the numbering system, my own number-1.13.4.3.1.--is derived as follows: Samuel Elder ( ca 1811) 1. Robert Elder 1.13. Amanda Jane Elder 1.13.4. Margaret Louisa Moore 1.13.4.3. Hazel Margaret Tallent 1.13.4.3.1. Alyce Virginia Knight Reading in reverse, No. 1.13.4.3.1. means that I am the first child of the third child, of the fourth child, of the thirteenth child, of the first child of Samuel Elder." Most genealogy software has it's own numbering system. FTM will number almost the same as Virginia's. It surely keeps our mind working. Ann
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Numbering
From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:00:30 -0600
Hi: No, I can use three systems, Indented (which I use because it puts all of the family togeth) the Regestered form, or the Decendents Form. Lee Volchek wrote: > Have you considered the numbering system that is widely used whereby the > earliest known ancestor is given the capital letter of the surname, in > this case "E" and each successive descendant by generation is numbered > according to their place among their siblings? Virginia Knight Nelson > uses this numbering system in her book to give you an example. > > Jean K.
Subject: [Elder-News]: Numbering
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:01:44, -0500
That would work well if we all knew or agreed on each family and where the siblings belonged. That numbering system only works in the end when we all agree. Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: Fwd: Elder genealogy
From: Rlaneb1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:35:34 EST
Content-ID: <0_921447338@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Can anyone forward an answer to this query? Interesting. RB rlaneb1@aol.com From: Imock98@aol.com Return-path: <Imock98@aol.com> To: Rlaneb1@aol.com, Sharhuff@aol.com, Bob4123@aol.com, Pamelouey@aol.com, SisterGem@aol.com, JCELDER@aol.com, LoisG47165@aol.com, TPAH364@aol.com, Grferrari@aol.com, Lacedonde@aol.com Subject: Elder genealogy Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:07:38 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit We see by the AOL member directory that you are all interested in Elder genealogy, and wonder if you can advise us on the Joseph Elder family. We at the Family Photo Preservation Project recently acquired a very handsome double cased daguerreotype of two individuals, probably a married couple. Marked on the inside of the case is: Jos. Elder. We assume this is Mr. & Mrs. Elder. The image is from he period of the late 1850s or early 1860s. No city is indicated and the photographer is not identified. The hand applied flesh coloring on Mr. Elder's face is the finest we have seen. For such delicate coloring to have survived over 130 years is remarkable. Mr. Elder was probably in his early forties when the photographer took this exquisite portrait. Mrs. Elder appears to be a bit older. The marking on the inside of the case indicates the photographs cost $3.00. The combined photos, in a lovely embossed leather case, are presently valued at over $300. Have you any information on this family? Iovanna Mockridge, Associate Director, Family Photo Preservation Project
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Fwd: Elder genealogy
From: Sherry <sherdh@foxinternet.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:55:13 -0800
I have my doubts about this person, but then I tend to be skeptical. She's not listed on Cyndis List for photo preservation and $300 seems awfully steep to me for an old photo. Does she have a member profile on AOL and is there an URL listed?? Sherry At 04:35 PM 3/14/99 EST, you wrote: >Can anyone forward an answer to this query? Interesting. > >RB >rlaneb1@aol.com >From: Imock98@aol.com >Return-path: <Imock98@aol.com> >To: Rlaneb1@aol.com, Sharhuff@aol.com, Bob4123@aol.com, Pamelouey@aol.com, > SisterGem@aol.com, JCELDER@aol.com, LoisG47165@aol.com, TPAH364@aol.com, > Grferrari@aol.com, Lacedonde@aol.com >Subject: Elder genealogy >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:07:38 EST >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >We see by the AOL member directory that you are all interested in Elder >genealogy, and wonder if you can advise us on the Joseph Elder family. We at >the Family Photo Preservation Project recently acquired a very handsome double >cased daguerreotype of two individuals, probably a married couple. Marked on >the inside of the case is: Jos. Elder. We assume this is Mr. & Mrs. Elder. >The image is from he period of the late 1850s or early 1860s. No city is >indicated and the photographer is not identified. The hand applied flesh >coloring on Mr. Elder's face is the finest we have seen. For such delicate >coloring to have survived over 130 years is remarkable. Mr. Elder was >probably in his early forties when the photographer took this exquisite >portrait. Mrs. Elder appears to be a bit older. The marking on the inside of >the case indicates the photographs cost $3.00. The combined photos, in a >lovely embossed leather case, are presently valued at over $300. >Have you any information on this family? >Iovanna Mockridge, Associate Director, Family Photo Preservation Project >
Subject: [Elder-News]: Two Derrys in Pa
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:20:35, -0500
Two Derry - Pennsylvanias One town of Derry in Westmoreland Co, Pa Some Elders lived here in 1800 Second Derry Church - in present day Hershey, Dauphin Co, Pa The Derry Church still exits (under a glass cover) in the town of Hershey. It is #19 on the 1990 map of Hershey. It is on East Derry Rd and the cross street is Mansion Rd. There is a much newer church and the old burying grounds at the same site. I wonder if this church may have the records of the old Derry Church I know James Galbraith d.1744 (the 1st of that line in America) and John Gass d. 1734 (the 1st of that line in America) are both buried in that old burying ground Time line for the Paxtang, Derry, and New Castle churches 1729 - New Castle in Philadelphia Co Paxtang & Derry in Lancaster Co 1752 - New Castle in Berks Co 1785 - Paxtang & Derry in Dauphin Co --------------------------------------------------- Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: 2.Rev John
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:22:02, -0500
2. Rev. John Elder - information and questions 2. Rev John was born 26 Jan 1706 Edinburgh Scotland - to Robert & Eleanor Elder- Question - Robert was born at Elderslie, near Paisley Renfrewshire about six miles from Glasgow, Scotland. - Eleanor was born Edinburgh, Angus Co, Scotland??? Do we know for sure where 2.Rev. John was born? 2. Rev John received a classical education and graduated from the University of Edinburgh Question - I can not find any proof he attended the University of Edinburgh Has anyone found a record? 2. Rev John was licensed to preach the gospel in 1732 Question - I thought I had read his license number, but can't find it now - was I dreaming? Question - Could he have been trained and licensed in Ireland? Did he have to return to Edinburgh to be licensed? 2. Rev John in 1738 was of the Presbytery of New Castle. He accepted a call from the congregation of Paxtang. He was ordained 22 Dec 1738 in Paxtang. He also took charge of the Derry congregation. Timing of Derry is a little clouded. Perhaps not until mid 1740's Question - It took 6 years between his license and his ordination - Was he in Ireland and New Castle ( I assume Phil Co, Pa??) Question - I had always thought the Elders were on the East coast until 2. Rev John received his call. Then when he moved west his father and and others joined him. Is there any evidence of Robert & Eleanor being in Paxtang prior to 2.Rev John's arrival? Thanks for any information Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Fwd: Elder genealogy
From: LEW1991@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:03:04 EST
There does not seem to be a member profile on AOL for lmock98. Linda I have my doubts about this person, but then I tend to be skeptical. She's not listed on Cyndis List for photo preservation and $300 seems awfully steep to me for an old photo. Does she have a member profile on AOL and is there an URL listed?? Sherry
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:15:36, -0500
Two Elizabeth Tomson - I believe there was only one, but which one One married 1. Robert as second wife 25 May 1759 Swedes Church Philadelphia Other married Robert Elder (still unplaced b. 1732??) 23 June 1769 This is from DAR papers. There is some question in my mind about this man. He was born in 1732 and served as Private in 1778- 1782 age 46 - 50. I believe his age is a little off. Usually a person of this age was not a private. He married in 1769 and did not have his first of 5 children in 1781. This Robert Elder died in Huntington Co, Pa in 1818 and his wife died in Huntington Co, Pa 1832. I just believe his age is wrong - I do believe he served in the Rev. I of course would hope it is 1.Robert who married his second wife in Swedes church - 25 May 1759. 5.James (my ancestor) married his second wife Elizabeth Maips (not my ancestor) 5 Mar 1759 Swedes church. We can not find any Maips family in Pennsylvania. If 1.Robert is the one who married Elizabeth Tomson it may give us a clue to Elizabeth Maips. Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Fwd: Elder genealogy
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:07:08 -0500
Hi, I have never seen a tinted daguerreotype. I have three and they will make a great negative without a problem, the photographer (a professional) did not remove the metal or glass which is what they used then. I have several great pictures and now the negatives. Perhaps with the computer graphics it could be copied if color was being used. I don't think it was, flesh tones? I would like to know what you find out especially about the color? Ann Poe -----Original Message----- From: Sherry <sherdh@foxinternet.net> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Fwd: Elder genealogy >I have my doubts about this person, but then I tend to be skeptical. She's >not listed on Cyndis List for photo preservation and $300 seems awfully >steep to me for an old photo. Does she have a member profile on AOL and is >there an URL listed?? > >Sherry > > >At 04:35 PM 3/14/99 EST, you wrote: >>Can anyone forward an answer to this query? Interesting. >> >>RB >>rlaneb1@aol.com >>From: Imock98@aol.com >>Return-path: <Imock98@aol.com> >>To: Rlaneb1@aol.com, Sharhuff@aol.com, Bob4123@aol.com, Pamelouey@aol.com, >> SisterGem@aol.com, JCELDER@aol.com, LoisG47165@aol.com, TPAH364@aol.com, >> Grferrari@aol.com, Lacedonde@aol.com >>Subject: Elder genealogy >>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:07:38 EST >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >> >>We see by the AOL member directory that you are all interested in Elder >>genealogy, and wonder if you can advise us on the Joseph Elder family. We at >>the Family Photo Preservation Project recently acquired a very handsome >double >>cased daguerreotype of two individuals, probably a married couple. Marked on >>the inside of the case is: Jos. Elder. We assume this is Mr. & Mrs. Elder. >>The image is from he period of the late 1850s or early 1860s. No city is >>indicated and the photographer is not identified. The hand applied flesh >>coloring on Mr. Elder's face is the finest we have seen. For such delicate >>coloring to have survived over 130 years is remarkable. Mr. Elder was >>probably in his early forties when the photographer took this exquisite >>portrait. Mrs. Elder appears to be a bit older. The marking on the >inside of >>the case indicates the photographs cost $3.00. The combined photos, in a >>lovely embossed leather case, are presently valued at over $300. >>Have you any information on this family? >>Iovanna Mockridge, Associate Director, Family Photo Preservation Project >> >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Fwd: Elder genealogy
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:16:42 -0500
I'm back..just forwarded this to a photographer I know as a personal friend to see what he has to say. Ann -----Original Message----- From: Sherry <sherdh@foxinternet.net> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Fwd: Elder genealogy >I have my doubts about this person, but then I tend to be skeptical. She's >not listed on Cyndis List for photo preservation and $300 seems awfully >steep to me for an old photo. Does she have a member profile on AOL and is >there an URL listed?? > >Sherry > > >At 04:35 PM 3/14/99 EST, you wrote: >>Can anyone forward an answer to this query? Interesting. >> >>RB >>rlaneb1@aol.com >>From: Imock98@aol.com >>Return-path: <Imock98@aol.com> >>To: Rlaneb1@aol.com, Sharhuff@aol.com, Bob4123@aol.com, Pamelouey@aol.com, >> SisterGem@aol.com, JCELDER@aol.com, LoisG47165@aol.com, TPAH364@aol.com, >> Grferrari@aol.com, Lacedonde@aol.com >>Subject: Elder genealogy >>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:07:38 EST >>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >> >>We see by the AOL member directory that you are all interested in Elder >>genealogy, and wonder if you can advise us on the Joseph Elder family. We at >>the Family Photo Preservation Project recently acquired a very handsome >double >>cased daguerreotype of two individuals, probably a married couple. Marked on >>the inside of the case is: Jos. Elder. We assume this is Mr. & Mrs. Elder. >>The image is from he period of the late 1850s or early 1860s. No city is >>indicated and the photographer is not identified. The hand applied flesh >>coloring on Mr. Elder's face is the finest we have seen. For such delicate >>coloring to have survived over 130 years is remarkable. Mr. Elder was >>probably in his early forties when the photographer took this exquisite >>portrait. Mrs. Elder appears to be a bit older. The marking on the >inside of >>the case indicates the photographs cost $3.00. The combined photos, in a >>lovely embossed leather case, are presently valued at over $300. >>Have you any information on this family? >>Iovanna Mockridge, Associate Director, Family Photo Preservation Project >> >
Subject: [Elder-News]: RE: old photos
From: Leanna Shaberly <kb8rt@uswest.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:28:40 -0700
Hi Elder researchers. Sherry felt that $300 seemed awfully steep to her, but Iím not so sure. If itís two pictures, one each of the Mr. & Mrs., from that time period, hand colored, evidently in pretty good condition, in their little frames, I don't know if that's out of line or not. If itís one picture of the 2 of them, then it might be a little high. The reason I tend to think it might be one of each is the comment about the hand coloring. It itís one of the couple, then the hand coloring will have to be even more delicate. Iíve got one black & white one, from probably that time period, and Iíve been told itís worth over $100, so that might not be too bad a price, particularly if itís your grandparents!! Leanna kb8rt@uswest.net Phoenix, AZ
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: RE: old photos
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:08:08 -0500
Hello Elder's, I am interested to know if Leanna's is hand painted, as they were metal or glass. (Hi Leanna). I was always out hunting antiques a long time ago, now it is ancestors, as we see they can become expensive! <G> Ann -----Original Message----- From: Leanna Shaberly <kb8rt@uswest.net> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 9:20 PM Subject: [Elder-News]: RE: old photos >Hi Elder researchers. > >Sherry felt that $300 seemed awfully steep to her, but IĚm not so sure. >If itĚs two pictures, one each of the Mr. & Mrs., from that time period, >hand colored, evidently in pretty good condition, in their little >frames, I don't know if that's out of line or not. If itĚs one picture >of the 2 of them, then it might be a little high. The reason I tend to >think it might be one of each is the comment about the hand coloring. >It itĚs one of the couple, then the hand coloring will have to be even >more delicate. IĚve got one black & white one, from probably that time >period, and IĚve been told itĚs worth over $100, so that might not be >too bad a price, particularly if itĚs your grandparents!! > >Leanna kb8rt@uswest.net >Phoenix, AZ > > > >
Subject: Fw: [Elder-News]: Fwd: Elder genealogy
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:22:07 -0500
Dear Elder's here is the answer I asked for, two sides it could be, but not likely. Ann -----Original Message----- To: elderbrooks <elderbrooks@msn.com> Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Fwd: Elder genealogy >Without seeing the photo I have my doubts that the "coloring" could have >lasted 130 years without being properly stored---temperature, humidity, >etc....as in a museum. Not that by luck it could not have happened, but I >have my doubts...130 years is back to 1870's +- a year or two.....most of >the work then was light sensitive silver emulsions on plates. Not many >"original" survived without the best of care, perfect condition....many are > in museums today & have been restored to some degree. The more I think >about it the harder for me to believe the color would have lasted. >$300 is steep. Only works by a "noted" photographer of the period >would bring that, actually much more $$$, or a photo of the period of some >historic importance---such as the Battle at Gettysburg, or some other event >of historic record, a portrait of Custer, Grant, or noted Indians of the >period----Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, Geronimo. >Hope this helps. Remember, "Buyer Beware". >Everyone well? >Love to all >K >-----Original Message----- >From: elderbrooks <elderbrooks@msn.com> >To: Ken Poe <kenneth@crowbear.com> >Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 9:15 PM >Subject: Fw: [Elder-News]: Fwd: Elder genealogy > > >>Kenneth look at the messages below please. The one which is asking $300 >for >>a daguerreotype and they state the "the hand applied flesh tones"...I have >>never seen one in color only black and white. They were done on metal or >>glass and usually metal. As you have seen from some of my prints which >came >>from a negative, black and white. They seem to last forever. I do not >>think this person is interested in genealogy. >> >>Answer to me or forward to me, otherwise you will wind up on the >Elder-News. >>Forward is fine. Thank you. >> >>Everyone O.K.? >> >>Love, >> >>M >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Sherry <sherdh@foxinternet.net> >>To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> >>Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 5:40 PM >>Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Fwd: Elder genealogy >> >> >>>I have my doubts about this person, but then I tend to be skeptical. >She's >>>not listed on Cyndis List for photo preservation and $300 seems awfully >>>steep to me for an old photo. Does she have a member profile on AOL and >is >>>there an URL listed?? >>> >>>Sherry >>> >>> >>>At 04:35 PM 3/14/99 EST, you wrote: >>>>Can anyone forward an answer to this query? Interesting. >>>> >>>>RB >>>>rlaneb1@aol.com >>>>From: Imock98@aol.com >>>>Return-path: <Imock98@aol.com> >>>>To: Rlaneb1@aol.com, Sharhuff@aol.com, Bob4123@aol.com, >Pamelouey@aol.com, >>>> SisterGem@aol.com, JCELDER@aol.com, LoisG47165@aol.com, TPAH364@aol.com, >>>> Grferrari@aol.com, Lacedonde@aol.com >>>>Subject: Elder genealogy >>>>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:07:38 EST >>>>Mime-Version: 1.0 >>>>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>>>Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>>> >>>>We see by the AOL member directory that you are all interested in Elder >>>>genealogy, and wonder if you can advise us on the Joseph Elder family. >We >>at >>>>the Family Photo Preservation Project recently acquired a very handsome >>>double >>>>cased daguerreotype of two individuals, probably a married couple. >Marked >>on >>>>the inside of the case is: Jos. Elder. We assume this is Mr. & Mrs. >>Elder. >>>>The image is from he period of the late 1850s or early 1860s. No city is >>>>indicated and the photographer is not identified. The hand applied flesh >>>>coloring on Mr. Elder's face is the finest we have seen. For such >>delicate >>>>coloring to have survived over 130 years is remarkable. Mr. Elder was >>>>probably in his early forties when the photographer took this exquisite >>>>portrait. Mrs. Elder appears to be a bit older. The marking on the >>>inside of >>>>the case indicates the photographs cost $3.00. The combined photos, in a >>>>lovely embossed leather case, are presently valued at over $300. >>>>Have you any information on this family? >>>>Iovanna Mockridge, Associate Director, Family Photo Preservation Project >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> > >
Subject: [Elder-News]: Leannas photo
From: Leanna Shaberly <kb8rt@uswest.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:11:18 -0700
Hi Ann and all- I said mine was black and white. Canít decide if thereís a hint of pink on the cheeks or not. If there is itís well faded. Wish we knew where Iovanna Mockridge was located so someone could go and actually see it. Leanna kb8rt@uswest.net
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Leannas photo
From: LEW1991@aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 06:11:46 EST
I have an old photo (c.1860's maybe a bit earlier) on metal .... sounds like a similar type of frame/case...leather, quite nice except the 2nd picture is no longer attached. I had this picture posted to the Elder Web page some time ago (http://www.intrepid.net/genealogy/elder/ "unknown photo from the belongings of Bertha Jane Elder")...on this photo the woman's cheeks are definately pink...no other color appears. I've not had it appraised. Linda
Subject: [Elder-News]: LDS FAMILY SEARCH
From: LEW1991@aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:04:37 EST
I was asked by a list member to let the group know when the LDS family search was activated. I thought I would check to make certain the statement I orignially received and sent to the Elder group was accurate. I checked the ownership of the URL www.familysearch.org and emailed the owner (affiliation with the Church of Latter Day Saints) and received the reply shown below today. Linda ********************************************************************** Thank you for your kind interest in the Church's new Internet service. There are numerous rumors on the wire at this time. Below is the Church's current official statement on the service. Anything you hear or read outside of this is mere speculation. *Sometime in March or April 1999, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will conduct a brief beta test of a new genealogical service for the Internet. The Church believes this service will greatly enhance the way people trace their family history. A formal announcement and launch is expected in the Spring to Summer of 1999. Details will not be available until then. The Family History Department of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is an international leader in genealogical research with the world*s largest collection of family history records made available to the public through a system of 3,200 Family History Centers* located around the world.* The URL you have is correct. The above statement can be found on the Church's web page (lds.org) under "Media Resources." The statement will be updated when the new service is launched for beta and officially. Let me know if I may be of further assistance. Thank you. Paul G. Nauta Planning and Communications Family History Department
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Leannas photo
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:08:50 -0500
Leanna and all-does anyone know the state she is in, she must have left a point of contact. If she is commercial...as in sales, etc. In all of the states she would have to collect sales tax and would be registered with the states department of revenue. If not they would probably like to know without bringing her trouble just to see that she is in compliance. Department of regulations, if county she would have a license. This is interesting, the photo is also. Thanks, Ann -----Original Message----- From: Leanna Shaberly <kb8rt@uswest.net> To: Elder Share to send <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Sunday, March 14, 1999 11:03 PM Subject: [Elder-News]: Leannas photo >Hi Ann and all- > >I said mine was black and white. CanĚt decide if thereĚs a hint of pink >on the cheeks or not. If there is itĚs well faded. > >Wish we knew where Iovanna Mockridge was located so someone could go and >actually see it. > >Leanna kb8rt@uswest.net > > > >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Question and Answer
From: RElder1922@aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:33:05 EST
The Robert Elder of Scotland I am trying to get information on was married to Janet Hallyburton of Coupar, Angus, Scotland on 15 Jul 1797. their children were: James(1802) Peter (1803) David ( 1805). Im trying to find out the names of Robert's Father and Mother and what year Robert was born.
Subject: [Elder-News]: Greetngs
From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:07:07 -0600
Hi Everyone Happy Saint Patrick's Day: I have Robert Elder b. 1679 married to Eleanor Gollespie Their son James Elder b. 1712 d. 09-13-1818 wa Married to Elizabeth Maipes b. 1714 d. 1816 and they were married 03-05-1759 in Philadelphia, PA. I have Robert Elder, Jr. b. 1704 d. 1807 Married to Elizabeth Tomson and they had seven chldrn born from 1729 through 1740 Lee
Subject: [Elder-News]: James,York Co, will
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:12:56, -0500
Will of James Elder York Co, Pa - I believe he is 1.A.James This seventh day of January One thousand seven hundred and eighty eight. I James Elder of Hameltons Bann Township York County and State of Pennsylvania and in Carrols Burgh... Item first I leave My Daughter Mary the sum of ten pounds and to my son Andrew the sum of ten pounds to my son Joseph ten pounds to be paid to them as their full share out of this my estate by my executor and The remainder to be equally divided between my son Benjamin Elder my daughter Rosanah Elder and my son James Elder share and share alike of this my estate Both real and personal Item I appoint and constitute my son Benjamin Elder and my friend William Porter to be the sole and only executors of this my last will and testament... I do hereby utterly disallow revoke make null and void all wills and executors hertofore by me made. Ratifying confirming this and none other to be my last will and testament. Signed seventh day of January one thousand seven hundred and eighty eight signed James (his mark) Elder witnessed: John Robinson James Young Memorandum - That Letters Testamentary in common form were granted unto Benjamin Elder and William Porter of the estate of James Elder late of York County deceased, Inventory to be exhibited into the Registers Office at York on or before the twenty eight day of February next... given under my hand and seal of office at York the 28th day of January AD 1790
Subject: [Elder-News]: Phil. Old Swedes Ch
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:15:37, -0500
Old Swedes' Church, Philadelphia - Marriage records - 1759 - March 5th - James Elder m. Elizabeth Maips second marriage of 5. James 1759 - June 25th - Robert Elder m. Elizabeth Thomson second marriage of 1. Robert --------------------------------- 1778 - Feb 12th - Charles Elder m. Elizabeth Nicholson 1778 - May 23rd - Andrew Elder m. Bridgeth McNamara ----------- 1788 - Oct 7th - David Elder m. Sarah Chester ------------------------------------ I spoke to someone here in California yesterday and the subject of this church was mentioned. I was told they are now in the process of translating their records - but are not yet available. Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: North Carolina
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:47:02, -0500
Randolph Co, North Carolina They can not be the children of 5.James and his 1st or 2nd wife (Elizabeth Maips). James was in Cumberland/Franklin Cos 1751 - 1818. ---------------------- Counties of North Carolina 1770 - Guilford formed from Rowen & Orange Cos, North Carolina 1778 - Randolph formed from Guilford Co, North Carolina ------------------------- Widow Elizabeth Elder believed to have died in Randolph Co, NC - abt 1780 Children of widow Elizabeth Elder - Randolph Co, NC 1. Rosanna Elder b. abt 1754 m. William Leach 2. John Elder b. abt 1756 m. Margaret Hill (& perhaps others) d. 21 Feb 1834 Randolph Co, NC 3. James Elder b. 14 Mary 1766 m. abt 1790 Hannah Clark d. 24 Apr 1843 Randolph Co, NC ------------------------------ Question - are there any records of land purchased for the Elders: 1770 - 1780- Guilford Co, NC 1780 - 1790 - Randolph Co, NC --------------------------------- Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: Pa. & Maryland
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:48:33, -0500
Of Interest to me - a Californian It is said that an Elder moved from Pa to Maryland and back. It should be remembered Washington Co, Maryland is contiguous to Franklin/ old Cumberland Cos, Pa. question - I don't know the area - Is it easy to go back and forth between Washington Co, Maryland and Franklin Co, Pa? Mary Cole CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Eliabeth Elder Brawner
From: browndad@juno.com
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:05:43 EST
Elizabeth et al. -- I just read some back messages on your query for Elizabeth. Here is what I have on someone who might be your person: Elizabeth Brawner B: 7 Feb 1743 in Frederick Co., MD; D: 29 Nov 1820 in Frederick Co., MD. Married to Richard Brawner (also seen as Brawnier). They had one child that I know of, Elizabeth Brawner B: 24 Jul 1775. Richard's parents were William Elder, Sr. and Jacoba (Jacobus) Clementia Livers. I had no marriage record for the Elizabeth born in 1775; if the Elizabeth who married Richard was also married to Cornelius Ridge, I have no record of it. I also do not have a birth or death date on Richard Brawner. Any matches? I would be interested in whatever you might have. I am primarily interested in the DELOZIER and ELDER linkages and have peripherally collected lots of ELDER information. Bob Brown in Greenwood, MO ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: North Carolina
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:10:19 -0500
Hi Mary & All I had research done in NC on another family line; from VA to NC...."it looks quite possible that John _____may have to to NC along with the rest of the family in 1772. At that time, this would have been part of Guilford Co., many of the earliest records of Guilford Co, including court minutes of 1771-1781, were destroyed during the Rev. Guilford was under the jurisdiction of Salisbury District Superior Court, records of which are fairly well preserved". This is not one of our Elder's although some of the descendants married our younger Elder's. Hope this helps, Ann -----Original Message----- From: MRS MARY H COLE <CDGG47A@prodigy.com> To: Elder-news@intrepid.net <Elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 6:54 PM Subject: [Elder-News]: North Carolina >Randolph Co, North Carolina > >They can not be the children of 5.James and his 1st or 2nd wife >(Elizabeth Maips). >James was in Cumberland/Franklin Cos 1751 - 1818. >---------------------- >Counties of North Carolina > >1770 - Guilford formed from Rowen & Orange Cos, North Carolina > >1778 - Randolph formed from Guilford Co, North Carolina >------------------------- > >Widow Elizabeth Elder believed to have died in Randolph Co, NC - abt >1780 > >Children of widow Elizabeth Elder - Randolph Co, NC > >1. Rosanna Elder b. abt 1754 m. William Leach > >2. John Elder b. abt 1756 m. Margaret Hill (& perhaps others) > d. 21 Feb 1834 Randolph Co, NC > >3. James Elder b. 14 Mary 1766 m. abt 1790 Hannah Clark > d. 24 Apr 1843 Randolph Co, NC >------------------------------ > >Question - are there any records of land purchased for the Elders: > >1770 - 1780- Guilford Co, NC > >1780 - 1790 - Randolph Co, NC > >--------------------------------- > >Mary Cole > CDGG47A@Prodigy.com >
Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: Thomas & James Elder PA
From: LEW1991@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:19:52 EST
I'm looking for information pertaining to Thomas Elder and his son (?) James who lived in Northumberland County, White Deer Township. Thomas Elder is referenced in the Annals of Buffalo Valley, Pennsylvania 1755-1855, Collated by John Blair Linn and is on the 1790 census for Northumberland County (1 white male over 16; 2 males under 16; 3 females, including wife). It appears that his sons included Robert Elder (who died in Clinton Twp. Jackson Co. Ohio in 1835); James; and John (ref. Elder Family Newsletter Vol. 3 #2 page 19). Thanks. Linda Kelley Winkler-Junker
Subject: [Elder-News]: New finding
From: Ether43@aol.com
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:45:36 EST
List members,
I have discovered a deed in Indiana Co. PA for property of John Elder in
a will dated 10/14/1800. the children are listed as Thomas Elder b.1774 &
wife Rebecca,
Joseph
James
Robert
Isabella married to Alexander Thompson
Elizabeth married to Alexander McCutchen
Does anyone have any further information on this family?
Nancy
Subject: [Elder-News]: New finding
From: CDGG47A@prodigy.com (MRS MARY H COLE)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:04:31, -0500
Dear Nancy
Yes I know the family.
John is 3.A.John
-------------------------------------------------
Elder Family - My Outline
Mary Cole
70 Ridgecrest Rd, Kentfield, Ca 94904-2746
CDGG47A@Prodigy.
Robert Elder b. 1679 at Elderslie, near Paisley Renfrewshire in
lowland
country about six miles from Glasgow, Scotland. He was in Ireland by
1727,
in America by 1730
d. 28 Jul 1746 Paxtang, Lancaster Co, Pa (now Daulphin)
m. Eleanor (?Gillespie)
1. Robert Elder b. 1704 m. ?? d. 1807
(I am using my own list of letters)
A. James (named in brother B. John's will in 1756) - James exec.
the
will so was still alive in 1756. Will York Co, Pa Will book H,
page 44 - James Elder of Hamiltonban Twp dated 7 Jan 1788
proved 28 Jan 1790
abt 1789.
1. Mary
2. Andrew
3. Joseph
4. Benjamin
5. Rosana
6. James
* B. John b. abt 1730 d. unmarried Dec 1756 will Lancaster Co, Ps
named her brother James as Exec.
C. Robert b. abt 1732 m. (1) Miss Cole (2) Mary Taylor - resident
of Indiana Co, Pa - left children
D. Samuel b. 1734 d. 13 Apr 1813 m. Mary Robinson
res. Maryland - left children
E. Isabel b. 1730 - 1732 m. (1) William Wallace (2) William Breden
1. William Wallace
2. Martha Wallace
3. Elder Breden
F. David m. Eleanor - went to Ohio
had children
G. Elizabeth b. abt 1740
2. Rev. John b. 26 Jan 1706 Edinburgh Scotland d. 17 Jul 1792 age
84
m (1) Mary Baker d.12 Jun 1749 age 33
m (2) 5 Nov 1751 Mary Simpson she died 3 Oct 1786
He served the conregation of Paxtang until his death 1792
He had children
3. Thomas b. 1708 d. 1751-1752 Lancaster Co, Pa - Will Book J pg 45
m. Mary Patterson d/o Wm Patterson
A. John b. 1740 -1750 d. 1800 - will dated 14 Oct 1800 proved
10 Nov 1800 Will of Westmoreland Co #232
Will Book 1 - pg 158
m. Mary Caruthers
1. Thomas Elder (of age and ex.)
2. Isabella Elder m. Mr. Thompson perhaps Alexander
3. Joseph Elder of age
4. James Elder - still under age in 1800
5. Elizabeth Elder - still under age in 1800
6. Robert Elder - still under age in 1800 and needed a
guardian - Joshua Elder was suggested
(Joshua's identity is not know to me at
this time)
B. Rachel
C. Robert
4. David b. 1710 d. may have died intestate 1764, Lancaster Co, Pa
m. Hannah Anderson
A. Robert m. Mary Whitside and had children
5. James b. 1712 in Scotland d. Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa 13 Sep 1818
m. (1) ______ (2) 5 Mar 1759 Elizabeth Maips at
Swedews' Church, Phil.
(Elizabeth b. 1714 d. 17 Jul 1816)
There is no record of either being a member of the Swedes'
church. It may be,as happened in those days,that Elizabeth
was a member of another church whose ministers were not
allowed to preform marriage and they simply went to Phil.
to be married.
On tax list Lurgan, Cumberland Co, Pa 1751, 1753, 1759,
and 1760.
James received a warrent, Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa
3 Jun 1762. Fannett is west of Lurgan
On tax list Fannett, Cumberland/Franklin Cos - 1763, 1767,
1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1781, 1782.
children by 1st wife
A. Robert b. ?? m.(1) it is said to be Elizabeth Watts
m (2) Mary ______
d. abt 1807 Franklin Co, Pa - will dated 4 Oct 1799
proved 21 Apr 1807 Franlin Will Book B-
pg 320
1. David b. 1.8. 1752 d. 1823
m. (1) Elizabeth McConnell d. bef. 1786
d/o George & Margaret (Elder?) McConnell
m. (2) Jane Boggs
had children
2. Abraham b. 27 Jul 1755 m. Susannah Ardery
res. Centre Co, Pa
had children
3. John - m. and had children
4. Robert m. Susanna Gamble - had children
5. Matthew bur. Dry Run Pa - had children
m. James McConnell d/o John & Rachel (Alexander)
McConnell of Lack, Juniata Co, Pa
6. Joseph m. and had children - res. Ligunier, Pa
7. Samuel m. 1798 Jane Truesdale - had children
B. David - will written 10 Jun 1807 proved 18 Mar 1813
Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa - will book C - pg 91
m. Margery/Margaret Stewart b. Donegal, Ireland
d/o Alexander & Rebecca (Galbraith) Stewart.
Alexander died in Donegal - Rebecca brought her
younger children to Pa to join her parents-
James & Rebecca (Chambers) Galbraith
1. Mary b. 21 Aug 1757 d. 5 Oct 1836 bur. Nashannock Cem
Mercer/ Lawrence Co, Pa
m. Capt. William Young - had children
2. William b. 20 Jul 1750 m. 1784 Sarah Abraham
had children
3. Elizabeth b.14 Dec 1762 d. 15 May 1825 bur. Nashannock
Cem, Mercer/ Lawrence Co, Pa
m. John Young - had children
this is my ancestors
4. Jane b. Jan 1765 - d. without issue
5. Isabel b. 26 Jul 1768 d. without issue
6. James b. 16 Jul 1770 d. without issue
7. John b. 28 Dec 1772 d. 1821 Dry Run, Cumberland Co, Pa
m. 22 Jun 1799 Mary Leeper - had children
8. Sarah m. James Barr
** C. John b. bef. 1742
m.______ owned property Fannett, Cumberland/Franklin
Cos from 1763 until abt 1798 when he went to Derry,
Westmoreland Co - perhaps because his daughter
Jane (Elder) Anderson was there.
1. Jane m. 20 Apr 1772 Joshua Anderson - Upper West
Conococheague, Presbyterian Church Mercersburg,
Franklin Co, Pa
res. Derry, Westmoreland Co, Pa
a. John Anderson
b. Thomas Anderson
c. Elizabeth Anderson
d. Jane Anderson
e. Ann Anderson
2. Elizabeth m. 4 May 1775 Robert Patton - Upper West
Conococheague, Presbyterian Church Mercersburg,
Franklin Co, Pa
a. Elizabeth Patton
b. perhaps others
3. David of Franklin Co, Pa
4. John of Franklin Co, Pa
D. ? Thomas had land paten Cumberland Co 1757 - land adjacent to
to 5. James Elder
Thomas sold it to the children of
5. E. Margaret McConnell for 5 shillings
Thomas a res. Buffaloe/White Deer
Northumberland Co
1. ? John b. 1762 m. Mary/Polly Doughterty
had children
2. ? Robert b. 1769 m. Mary & had children
res. 1800, 1810 Northumberland Co
res. 1820, 1830 Jackson Co, Ohio
E. ? Margaret m. George McConnell
1. James McConnell m. Elizabeth Stewart
2. Elizabeth McConnell d. bef. 1786
m. 5. A 1. David Elder as 1st wife.
no issue
3. Susanna McConnell m. Robert Ramsey
4. Jean/Jane McConnell m. John Ramsey
5. Catherine McConnell m. James barnet
6. Margaret McConnell m. Robert Alexander
7. Nancy McConnell m. Joseph Stewart
8. Rachel McConnell m. John McMahon
F. ? perhaps others
children by Elizabeth Maips
G. Martha m. William Taylor - her father, 5.James, sold her land
in
Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa
19 Mar 1780 - Vol. 2 - Book E pg 522
had children
*** H. Agnes b. 17 Mar 1863 d. 15 Apr 1859 m. Jun 1784 Robert Kerr
had children
6. Ann b. 1718 or 1713 m. John Anderson
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--------------------
* Will of 1. B. John Elder -
Lancaster Co, Pa written 1 Nov 1756 proved 12 Jan 1757
John Elder of Hanover twp.
Exec. James Elder
Those named: Father - Robert Elder
Brother - Samuel Elder
Brother - Robert Elder
Brother - David Elder
Brother - James Elder
Sister - Elizabeth Elder
Sister - Isabella Bredenstein
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--------------------
** 5. C. John Elder - further information
John Elder was born before 1742. He purchased land 1763 -
he had to be 21 years of age.
On 16 Apr 1763, John Elder acquird a warrent in Fannett,
Cumberland Co, Pa. In 1767 an order was granted to John
Elder to survey his land in Fannett.
John was on the tax list for Fannett, Cumberland Co, Pa -
1763, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1770, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774,
1775, 1776, 1779, 1781, 1782,
1772 Apr 20 - Jane Elder, daughter of John Elder, married
Joshua Anderson Upper West Conococheague, Presbyterian
Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co, Pa
1775 May 4 - Elizabeth Elder, daughter of John Elder,
married Robert Patton Upper West Conococheague,
Presbyterian Church, Mercersburg, Franklin Co
Deed - 1791 - Franklin County - Deed Book 2, pg 373
John Elder Senior and son, David Elder, sold some of the land
surveyed to John Elder. Both John Elder Senior and son,
David Elder were of Fannett Franklin Co, Pa
Deed - 1797 Aug 22nd - Franklin County - Deed Book 4,
pg 372 John Elder Senior now of Derry. Westmoreland Co
sell to his son, John Jr, of Fannett, Co, land on which John Jr
now lives.
The will of John Elder - Wills of Westmoreland County #317
- Will Book 1, pg 197 (this is the son of #7.James)
Signed 17 Feb 1795 - Fannett, Franklin Co, Pa - proved in
Westmoreland Co named in the will:
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----------------
*** 5. H. Agnes - more information
Will of Robert Kerr - will #1492 dated 20 Jan 1817 proved
20 Aug 1817. "... if my land is Rented the profits arising
from the same is to go to the support of my wife and
Father-in-law James Elder ..."
"My will is that my wife Agnes..."
Franklin Co, Pa - Deed Book 1 pg 212
James & Elizabeth Elder of Fennett, Franklin
conveyed land to Robetrt Kerr
From Agnes (Elder) Kerr's obituary Ross Co, Ohio:
"Died April 15th 1859..."
" ... Her parents both lived to over one hundred years of age. -----
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Mary Cole
CDGG47A@Prodigy.com
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: New finding
From: Harry Issac Sharp <patroon@IBM.NET>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:48:04 -0500
Your Indiana Elders could be related to the Mercer Co. Elders of the same time period. Harry Ether43@aol.com wrote: > List members, > I have discovered a deed in Indiana Co. PA for property of John Elder in > a will dated 10/14/1800. the children are listed as Thomas Elder b.1774 & > wife Rebecca, > Joseph > James > Robert > Isabella married to Alexander Thompson > Elizabeth married to Alexander McCutchen > > Does anyone have any further information on this family? > Nancy
Subject: [Elder-News]: LDS test site up and running
From: LEW1991@aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 03:08:44 EST
You can access the LDS family search test site at: http://32.96.111.11/default.asp Enjoy. Linda