Subject: [Elder-News]: Biggs Family
From: jpgolden@juno.com (James P. Golden)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:00:41 -0500
Nancy ELDER (dau of Joseph ELDER & wife Mary MATHEWS) m. Joel BIGGS in Brunswick County, Virginia abt 1786. Is any one else researching this family? Nancy died in Brunswick County before Joel and family came to Georgia. Still would like to find someone researching John ELDER, brother to William ELDER, and son of Peter ELDER The 2nd. Was in Richmond County at same time as William. HAPPY NEW YEAR to All! Jim
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Biggs Family
From: Jackie Carter <quasidoc@pacbell.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:51:38 -0800
Dear Jim, James P. Golden wrote: > > Nancy ELDER (dau of Joseph ELDER & wife Mary MATHEWS) m. Joel BIGGS in > Brunswick County, Virginia abt 1786. Is any one else researching this > family? > Nancy died in Brunswick County before Joel and family came to Georgia. I have Joseph ELDER & wife, Mary MATHEWS, but have no children listed for them, so I don't have info on Nancy. would appreciate any info you can fill in for me. > > Still would like to find someone researching John ELDER, brother to > William ELDER, and son of Peter ELDER The 2nd. Was in Richmond County at > same time as William. Can you give some dates for John, William and Peter? I have at least four Peter ELDERs in a row in my line. One, who was born 01 December 1741 in Richmond county, Virginia, had a son, William, who was born in 1779. Is this the one you are looking for? I hope so! I have been looking for another son or daughter of this Peter ELDER who had a son, Jessie, who is named in Peter's will. Hope we can be of some help to each other. I am willing to share any info I may have to help you. Looking forward to hearing from you! Sincerely, Jackie L. Carter
Subject: [Elder-News]: please post state names
From: Karen Crawford <karen@cleverlink.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:04:51 -0500
Happy new year fellow Elder researchers. I get a lot out of the news list but have one request for those who post there. Please PLEASE put the state names prominently in the postings. I get many many emails and prefer to delete any postings that aren't related to my family. If you do not put the state and I don't recognize the county name, I have to do some research to find out where you are talking about! Thanks again to those who participate. Karen -- Karen McDonald Crawford karen@cleverlink.com CleverLink "Web Site Design for Small Businesses" http://www.cleverlink.com/
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Biggs Family
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:32:52 -0500
Jackie, Do you have a copy of the will of William Edmond Elder of Richmond Co VA? If not please send me your snail mail address and I will send you a copy. William Edmond Elder was the son of Peter Elder, Wm. had a son Peter Elder which he named in his will. Peter Elder (the elder/older) had Wm and Samuel, I need to read all that again, I am supposed to go to the Samuel Elder son of Peter Elder but I have no source, not one thread, it "fits"... I have a correspondent whose ancestor was also Josepph Elder, Wilma apparently goes through another child, she was able to find the wills through each generation. Your dates are later so it does include William Edmond Elder, his son Peter. Perhaps someone who has the papers at hand will jump in here. Someone is going to have to dig into the available deeds, wills, court minutes, marriage records and I know that many were lost by fire. Perhaps posting in "bits n pieces" will help others pick up on their lines. I have been more than willing to do so. Actually I am one of the few who post those strange little things. In Jefferson County, TN. early 1800's a family of BIGGS were in the court minutes until I thought I would go nuts, I think one of the parents died. Also a Joseph ELDER was in TN for sometime, I have a grant or deed on him. So many came through and even remained long enough to have land, be found in court records etc. I was posting to each individual (I still do only when necessary) if we post here all will learn more. If you want a copy of the will please send your s-mail address. Ann Elder-Brooks Poe elderbrooks@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Carter <quasidoc@pacbell.net> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net>; James P. Golden <jpgolden@juno.com> Date: Friday, January 02, 1998 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Biggs Family >Dear Jim, > >James P. Golden wrote: >> >> Nancy ELDER (dau of Joseph ELDER & wife Mary MATHEWS) m. Joel BIGGS in >> Brunswick County, Virginia abt 1786. Is any one else researching this >> family? >> Nancy died in Brunswick County before Joel and family came to Georgia. > >I have Joseph ELDER & wife, Mary MATHEWS, but have no children listed >for them, so I don't have info on Nancy. would appreciate any info you >can fill in for me. > >> >> Still would like to find someone researching John ELDER, brother to >> William ELDER, and son of Peter ELDER The 2nd. Was in Richmond County at >> same time as William. > >Can you give some dates for John, William and Peter? I have at least >four Peter ELDERs in a row in my line. One, who was born 01 December >1741 in Richmond county, Virginia, had a son, William, who was born in >1779. Is this the one you are looking for? I hope so! I have been >looking for another son or daughter of this Peter ELDER who had a son, >Jessie, who is named in Peter's will. Hope we can be of some help to >each other. I am willing to share any info I may have to help you. > >Looking forward to hearing from you! >Sincerely, >Jackie L. Carter >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: please post state names
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:43:54 -0500
Happy New Year to all the Elder's and their "near & dear" & to Karen Crawford Re: Post by State Names---Karen I have Samuel ELDER who d. TN he had his whole family, most of that family moved to other later. I do not always post Andrew of AL son of Samuel of TN, his son. When I get to the children of Samuel. All but one of my direct ancestors children left Jefferson/Sevier Counties TN. I think I try to state son/dau. of William ELDER. But I did post somethings without stating anything about them, thus giving everyone the opportunity to see these records without my opinion. It certainly is a good idea, another good idea is to please give a year or close to. The Elder's who went to GA were numerous. Most of us have the same names in each family. Samuel ELDER who d. in TN was not born in TN. I cannot prove with source information he was the Samuel from VA. We try and be more considerate.. Ann elderbrooks@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: Karen Crawford <karen@cleverlink.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Friday, January 02, 1998 10:13 AM Subject: [Elder-News]: please post state names >Happy new year fellow Elder researchers. I get a lot out of >the news list but have one request for those who post there. > >Please PLEASE put the state names prominently in the >postings. I get many many emails and prefer to delete any >postings that aren't related to my family. If you do not >put the state and I don't recognize the county name, I >have to do some research to find out where you are talking >about! > >Thanks again to those who participate. > >Karen > >-- >Karen McDonald Crawford >karen@cleverlink.com > >CleverLink "Web Site Design for Small Businesses" >http://www.cleverlink.com/ >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: please post state names
From: Rlaneb1 <Rlaneb1@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:02:13 EST
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! I am hoping someone might have a William Elder born in 1773 in VA. He married Mary Towler. They were later found living in Rutherford County, TN. Their daughter Mary Jefferies Elder married William Crisp/Chrisp. R.Bangsund rlaneb1@aol.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: Pulaski County, KY-ELDER
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:20:17 -0500
Pulaski Tax List 1807, Part I, p.39- ELDER, James (this was transcribed from
the microfilm and I have the film, it is not easy)aebp.
Marriage Book I, Pulaski Co KY, p.47 (you can write to the county clerk's
office for a copy.aebp
30 Apr 1807 ELDER, Jacob COLLIER, Nancy
con. Samuel ELDER, g.f. pres. E. Barnes
5 Jul 1945 ELDER, Jas. MORGAN, Polly
Jas. Davis
8 Dec 1840 ELDER, Landon D. JASPER, Amanda
John JASPER
con. Jesse ELDER, g.f. & Geo. BROWN (KNS)
3 Dec 1829 ELDER, Stephen STEWART, Ann
Robert Stuart
con. Jas STUART, b.f. & Richard COLYER, g. gdn.
(the above Stephen I believe was the son of Jacob & Nancy (Collier) ELDER,
notice who Stephen ELDER's guardian was, Richard COLYER)aebp
Subject: [Elder-News]: Pulaski County, KY, ELDER
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:25:52 -0500
Pulaski County, KY Tax List 1808 p. 48 CATE, Charles COLIER, Charles; John; John, Jr.; Stephen ELDER, Jacob (all of the above names were in Jefferson & Sevier Counties TN) 1820 Pulaski County Census, p. 12 ELDER, Jesse Cemeteries Pulaski County KY Goodhope Cemetery p. 53 ELDER, Lou Catherine Jul 24 1885 Mar 8 1919 Liberty p. 79 ELDER, Eliza J. 1859 - 1937 ELDER, Oscar Mar 1896 May 19 1948 Science Hill p. 158 ELDER, Gladys 1912 - 1967 I have a copy of the original marriage bond between Jacob ELDER and Nancy COLLIER. Also copy of the handwritten consent of Samuel ELDER, grooms father.
Subject: [Elder-News]: JEFFERSON COUNTY, TN. MARRIAGES
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:59:40 -0500
Hugh M. ELDER to Margaret DENTON 20 February 1828, John DOHERTY, Bondsman. Roll No. 23 Jefferson County, TN. Marriages 1792 - 1840 Bond No. 2158 (Jefferson County Courthouse, Dandridge, TN.) Hugh Martin ELDER son of William & Rebecca (CATES) ELDER residents of Jefferson Co TN. Charles ELDER to Elizabeth UNDERWOOD 16 November 1825, Simeon FRENCH, Bondsman Jefferson County, TN. Bond No. 1879 Jefferson County Marriages 1792 - 1840, p.188. Charles and his brother Hugh Martin ELDER above were both born in Jefferson Co., TN.; named in their father's will (William ELDER d. between July 1803 and Sept 9 1803 when will was proven in court)aebp (William & Rebecca (CATES) ELDER parents of Hugh Martin and Charles ELDER. Charles was b. 16 Dec 1807 in Jefferson Co TN; d. 6 Dec. 1871 in Jefferson Co., TN. buried Dumplin Cemetery beside his (1) Elizabeth UNDERWOOD ELDER, she was born 20 Aug 1804 probably in Surry Co. NC.; d. 5 March 1861 in Jefferson County, TN. Ann elderbrooks@msn.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: Casper ELDER
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:10:54 -0500
ELDER, Casper W., b. Apr 1833 S.C.; Mar: Dec 13 1853, Greene County, TN. Margaret J. CUMMINGS (By William B. Woolsey, M.G., Freewill Baptist Minister);d. after 1900; Bur: Poe Cemetery, Hamilton Co. TN. (cemetery no relation to our name). Casper joined the Union Army Nov 1861 F Co., 4th Tenn. Infantry. Mustered out August 1865 Nashville, TN. Moved to Hamilton Co, TN. District 1. Casper M. (2) Malissa A. ___and they had 3 children. Son of Peter and Leatha/Elizabeth Elder. I think Leatha was a widow when she came to Greene Co TN. I have named of Casper & Margarets children. Ann elderbrooks@msn.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER - MATHEWS - BIGGS
From: jpgolden@juno.com (James P. Golden)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:39:23 -0500
(1)John ELDER b. 25 Nov 1723 to William ELDER (ca. 1687 - 1754/5) & wife Ann in North Farnham Parish, Richmond County, VA Ruth ELDER b. 19 May 1730 to (2) John ELDER & wife Anne in North Farnham Parish, Richmond County, VA. It is obvious that John no. 1 is not the same person as John no. 2. The question is; what relation is John no 2. to William ELDER (ca. 1687 - 1754/5). Peter ELDER, father of William (ca. 1687), died ca. 1687 which precludes any younger brothers to William. Did Ann mention Samuel as a brother to William? Ann Poe: I have extracted copies of wills of William ELDER (d. 1754/5) and Peter ELDER (d. 1674). Do you have copies of the originals? If you do I would like to have copies. ADDRESS: Jim Golden, 2201 Diana Avenue, Tifton, GA 31794. Linda - star81: I to am in doubt about the MATHEWS line. One source gives Mary MATHEWS father as Ephram MATHEWS of Brunswick County, VA but also states her brother was George MATHEWS, Governor of Georgia. George MATHEWS' father was John MATHEWS, b. in Ireland, immigrated to U.S. through PA and settled in Augusta County, VA. MATHEWS researchers do not list a Mary among the children of John and wife, Anne Archer. There is an Ann whom the researchers have no information on. Could it be Mary Ann? I am more inclined to believe in the Ephram MATHEWS role as father of Mary MATHEWS ELDER. More research needed here! As to the children of Joseph ELDER and his wife Mary MATHEWS: Joshua (1761-1850) m. HIGHTOWER David (1764-1853) m (1st) Mary Hill READ (2nd) Mary PHILLIPS (3rd) Elizabeth Screven ALLEN Nancy (1765-ca.1793/6) m. Joel BIGGS James (ca. 1767- ??) m. Mary "Polly" MASON John (ca. 1769 - 1812) m.. Nancy Ann JOHNS Jeremiah (ca 1771- ???) Mary "Polly" (ca. 1773- ???) m. Joseph CREWS Elizabeth (ca. 1775-???) I have seen Ephram & Edmond included as the sons of Joseph & Mary but the above are all that are mentioned in his will, recorded in Campbell County, VA in 1800. Joel BIGGS, David ELDER & Joshua ELDER came to Clarke County, GA. Joel seems to have arrived first being there around 1797/8. David & Joshua came after 1800. It would be interesting to know if any of the other ELDER descendents came to GA later to join their kin here. I really like what Ann is doing with the information in Tennessee and I think more of us should do likewise and that is a great idea of Jim C's about the obits. The more information available the easy it is to see the whole picture. Genealogy is like a jigsaw puzzle; one piece at a time and the picture become clearer with each piece. I wish for all a good and fruitful 1998! Jim
Subject: [Elder-News]: Need everyone's help - Clarion Co. info
From: "Billie R. McNamara" <mcnamara@usit.net>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 14:42:42 -0500 (EST)
Forgive me if you get duplicates again -- I haven't had time over the
holidays to cross-reference my address book and clean out duplicate entries.
I have a page on-line at the Clarion County Genealogy Website for cemeteries
and extant churches:
http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/cemlist.htm
http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/extchur.htm
Please check those pages over and send me any corrections or updates you
have. I have retained a professional cartographer to create a map of
cemeteries and churches, and he is nearly ready to send me the first draft.
I feel sure there are churches and cemeteries missing from the lists that
I've compiled and shared with him.
I'm especially interested in knowing if cemetery transcriptions are
available somewhere.
The complete map will be available for sale in hardcopy -- with proceeds
going to support Clarion County genealogy/history projects. Individual
township maps will be viewable on-line.
Thanks!
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Need everyone's help - Clarion Co. info
From: Pat Elder <elderado@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:11:50 -0600
Billie R. McNamara wrote: > > Forgive me if you get duplicates again -- I haven't had time over the > holidays to cross-reference my address book and clean out duplicate entries. > > I have a page on-line at the Clarion County Genealogy Website for cemeteries > and extant churches: > > http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/cemlist.htm > http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/extchur.htm > > Please check those pages over and send me any corrections or updates you > have. I have retained a professional cartographer to create a map of > cemeteries and churches, and he is nearly ready to send me the first draft. > I feel sure there are churches and cemeteries missing from the lists that > I've compiled and shared with him. > > I'm especially interested in knowing if cemetery transcriptions are > available somewhere. > > The complete map will be available for sale in hardcopy -- with proceeds > going to support Clarion County genealogy/history projects. Individual > township maps will be viewable on-line. > > Thanks! Please tell me what state Clarion Co is in.
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER - MATHEWS - BIGGS
From: Starr <starr81@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:55:02 -0600
To Jim and the list,
My husband descends from David ELDER and 1st wife Mary Read; this is
the first I've seen her middle name as HILL.
>Linda - star81: I to am in doubt about the MATHEWS line. One source
>gives Mary MATHEWS father as Ephram MATHEWS of Brunswick County, VA but
>also states her brother was George MATHEWS, Governor of Georgia. George
>MATHEWS' father was John MATHEWS, b. in Ireland, immigrated to U.S.
>through PA and settled in Augusta County, VA. MATHEWS researchers do not
>list a Mary among the children of John and wife, Anne Archer. There is
>an Ann whom the researchers have no information on. Could it be Mary
>Ann? I am more inclined to believe in the Ephram MATHEWS role as father
>of Mary MATHEWS ELDER. More research needed here!
Agreed on the latter. I seriously doubt Mary Matthews is daughter of
the Augusta co. VA bunch -- how did she meet her future husband with the Blue
Ridge between them? I agree, it makes more sense for her father to be a
MATHEWS found in Brunswick and Dinwiddie Co.
>Joel BIGGS, David ELDER & Joshua ELDER came to Clarke County, GA. Joel
>seems to have arrived first being there around 1797/8. David & Joshua
>came after 1800.
Their "uncle" Joshua was in Wilkes co. GA 1780s -- for years I tried
to place him as father of "my" Joshua Elder who m. Anna Gray in Clarke Co.
1812. Off the top of my head, I can't remember if another ELDER is in
Wilkes Co. records or not; I don't think so but it's been a year since I
last worked with the tax records. Linda
Linda Sparks Starr
starr81@ix.netcom.com
http://pw1.netcom.com/~starr81/index.htm
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Biggs Family
From: Jackie Carter <quasidoc@pacbell.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:54:53 -0800
Dear Ann, I would love to have a copy of the will of William Edmond Elder of Richmond Co VA. My snail mail address is: Jackie L. Carter 18860 Avenue D Perris, California 92570 I would be glad to email you a gedcom file of what I have of the Elders, if you want it and your email program will support attachments. I know some don't. Just let me know. I believe you may have been in contact with my aunt, Marjorie Thomas, in Battle Ground Washington before. We have been working together on our research. She has been working on it for over 50 years. I just started recently. Since I have internet access and she doesn't, we have been helping each other as much as possible. We are decended from Jesse ELDER, named as grandson of Peter ELDER(b: 01 Dec 1741 in North Farsham Parish, Richmond county, Va; d:1804 in surry county, N.C) in Peter's will. We can't seem to pin down who Jesse's parents were, however. My gedcom of the ELDERs goes from Peter, born in England circa 1600 through my grandchildren, but I have no supporting evidence, except for information that I have received from Lee ELDER and my aunt. Thanks for the offer of the copy of the will. Hope to hear from you soon. Sincerely, Jackie L. carter -- ++Read any good books lately? Do you recommend them on your web pages? Why not get PAID for it? Visit BooksNow at http://www.BooksNow.com/BooksNow/PartnerPlus/intro.tam?PPlusPromoter=555156 to find out how! ++Visit Enlightenment Pages at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4941 ~~May you always walk within the LIGHT!~~ *Quasidoc*
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: New Elder Book
From: "Sharon L. Stasak" <gjslstasak@ameritech.net>
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 21:24:29 -0500
AFunGirl35@aol.com wrote: > > 20 November 1997 > > Kathyie - get in touch with me again after December 1st - I'm a direct line > descendant of Robert - have things to share with you but not the time just > now - Christie Anne Christie, I'm rebrowsing mail before final filing and came across this note you sent to Kathyie. Which Robert are you refering to? I have a Robert Elder (1806-1875 Bedford Co., PA to Hancock Co., OH), husband of Mary Elizabeth Wineland. Any connection? Sharon L. Stasak Farmington Hills, MI
Subject: [Elder-News]: Old Georgia Bibles
From: jpgolden@juno.com (James P. Golden)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:16:50 -0500
ELDER Family Bible Last known owner: Mrs. Herschel Smith Marriages: Mathilda Ann ELDER & William THOMAS 10/25/1855 Sarah Ann ELDER & A. W. BROWN 12/--/1857 Martha Jane ELDER & Washington HALL 04/29/1858 Mary Catherine ELDER & Jimmie S. Masey 12/01/1858 Elizabeth B. ELDER & Jimmie H. ELDER 11/--/1867 Henry Trip ELDER & Sarah E. MARSHALL 12/16/1869 Births: Nancy ELDER ---/---/1775 Roda ELDER 01/19/1801 Jim ELDER 11/25/1825 Granvil ELDER 11/20/1826 Willie ELDER 02/21/1833 Antinett ELDER 11/01/1822 Caroline ELDER 03/---/1939 Edmund _______ ---/---/1862 Luviser ELDER 02/---/1844 John ELDER 11/---/1846 Sebron ELDER 04/---/1848 Joseph ELDER 10/01/1803 Nancy ELDER 12/30/1809 Mathilda Ann 08/29/1828 John Samuel 08/02/1831 Sarah Ann 03/04/1833 Martha Jane 01/03/1835 William Miles 12/05/1836 Mary Catherine 11/06/1838 Nancy Ann 11/17/1840 David Samuel 12/07/1842 Elizabeth B. 07/17/1847 Henry Tripp 02/14/1851 John Samuel 04/23/1871 Dexter Frank 11/09/1873 Nancy Elizabeth 04/25/1875 William Wesley 10/17/1877 Mattie 05/07/1881 James Z. 03/15/1882 Carer 09/15/1884 Trip 09/06/1886 Sallie 02/08/1889 Effie Mae 03/10/1896 Deaths: David Samuel ELDER 07/25/1862 Coro ELDER 11/15/1884 Nancy ELDER 04/01/1856 Annie Bell ELDER 05/20/1863 H. T. ELDER 05/02/1914 Sarah E. 03/29/1923 Can any one identify the family? Found in GA D. A. R. Historical Collections, GA Bibles Jim
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Need everyone's help - Clarion Co. info
From: "James C. Elder" <jcelder@mho.net>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:20:35 -0700
Pennsylvania, Pat. It is one of the main sources of our ELDER family lines in the USofA. The other main line stems from the Richmond, VA, area. Can you link any of them up? Where does your line come from? Happy New Year! Jim Elder -----Original Message----- From: Pat Elder <elderado@bellsouth.net> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Need everyone's help - Clarion Co. info >Billie R. McNamara wrote: >> >> Forgive me if you get duplicates again -- I haven't had time over the >> holidays to cross-reference my address book and clean out duplicate entries. >> >> I have a page on-line at the Clarion County Genealogy Website for cemeteries >> and extant churches: >> >> http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/cemlist.htm >> http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/extchur.htm >> >> Please check those pages over and send me any corrections or updates you >> have. I have retained a professional cartographer to create a map of >> cemeteries and churches, and he is nearly ready to send me the first draft. >> I feel sure there are churches and cemeteries missing from the lists that >> I've compiled and shared with him. >> >> I'm especially interested in knowing if cemetery transcriptions are >> available somewhere. >> >> The complete map will be available for sale in hardcopy -- with proceeds >> going to support Clarion County genealogy/history projects. Individual >> township maps will be viewable on-line. >> >> Thanks! > >Please tell me what state Clarion Co is in. >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Need everyone's help - Clarion Co. info
From: glm2@psu.edu (Gary L. Messing)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:34:07 +0100
Dear Billie and all other Clarion Co, PA Elder researchers.
First, I have to say that I have not had time to check the websites
listed below, but do want others to know of another small book of
cemeteries, titled "At Rest in These Hills" which is "A Record of Burials
in Small Cemeteries of Bradys Bend Township and Perry Township, Armstrong
County, PA. These two townships are directly across the Allegheny River
from Clarion Co. They include many families who lived on both sides of the
river. The book is published by Bradys Bend Historical Society, Inc., PO
Box 451, Rural Route 1, East Brady, PA 16028. It was published after
1983.
Of interest to the Elders are entries for the Rumbaugh Cemetery.
The oldest legible death dates on any of the stones are for matching marble
stones of Christopher Truby and Mary Ann Laufer and reads: Truby,
Christopher son of H. L. and A. K. Truby, of Northampton County, PA born
1761, died 1815 and (his wife) Laufer, Mary Ann - daughter of Philip Drum
of Northhampton County, PA, born 1753, died 1814 (but footstone has
initials M.A.L.D!)
Listed on page 17
ELDER, MARION -born Aug 24, 1830, died Apr 2, 1902, Co. K, 155 Reg, PA
Vol (from my research he is the son of Thomas Elder & Elizabeth Young)
ELDER, NANCY (Anderson) - wife of Marion Elder, born Mar 4, 1833, died June
10, 1910
ELDER, MARY L. - born May 24, 1859, died Sept 20, 1900; "At rest"
(daughter of Marion and Nancy)
ELDER, LORENZO, son of James and J.(Jeanette Hagen) Elder, died Apr 12,
1858, aged 6 yrs, 1 mo., 23 days
Also buried here in unmarked graves:
FREEMAN, JAMES W. - Civil War veteran, born Mar 17, 1836, died Sept 2, 1893
(this is my direct ancestor who married Rachel Buzzard who is the daughter
of George Buzzard and Margaret Elder (my lost Elder)
Not included in the book, but determined by my father to be buried here is
ELDER, PERRY 22 years: father - James T. mother - Ann, lived in
Kittanning, 1st Ward, died in Perry Twp, Apr 15, 1900, intered in Rumbaugh
Cem.
My parents have been to this cemetery many times. It was very overgrown
and sits on top of a steep hill. Not visible from any road. My father has
cleared the brush and done a detailed drawing of all the stone locations,
etc. in the search for James Freeman's location. My parents have visited
with several "old" (90+ years old) residents of the area researching our
lines.
I have to run now, but thought this might be of interest to others looking
in Clarion Co. Other lines we am working on: Buzzard, Freeman, Smith
(Hiram, Philo), Robinson, side lines Binkerd, Watterson, McElroy, Wurts.
Thanks,
Becky Messing
>Forgive me if you get duplicates again -- I haven't had time over the
>holidays to cross-reference my address book and clean out duplicate entries.
>
>I have a page on-line at the Clarion County Genealogy Website for cemeteries
>and extant churches:
>
> http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/cemlist.htm
> http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/extchur.htm
>
>Please check those pages over and send me any corrections or updates you
>have. I have retained a professional cartographer to create a map of
>cemeteries and churches, and he is nearly ready to send me the first draft.
>I feel sure there are churches and cemeteries missing from the lists that
>I've compiled and shared with him.
>
>I'm especially interested in knowing if cemetery transcriptions are
>available somewhere.
>
>The complete map will be available for sale in hardcopy -- with proceeds
>going to support Clarion County genealogy/history projects. Individual
>township maps will be viewable on-line.
>
>Thanks!
Becky Messing
814 W. Foster Ave
State College, PA 16801
(814) 234-0561
glm2@email.psu.edu
Subject: [Elder-News]: Another ELDER Family!
From: jpgolden@juno.com (James P. Golden)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:58:57 -0500
Excerpted from "Souvenir Sketches of GA & FL. "John G. ELDER, M.D., is a son of Edward A. ELDER and Mary WILSON. He was born in Jasper County, GA, Oct 4, 1839. He comes of one of the old families of Middle Georgia. His father, Edward A. ELDER, was born in Greensborough, Greene County, GA, Dec 28, 1794. He is now (1888) living and is consequently in his ninety-fourth year. He was in the war of 1812 and was disabled in that service, having now carried for more than seventy-five years injuries which were received in that war. His father, William ELDER, was a native of Virginia, and among the first settlers of Greene County, GA. But little recollection of him is preserved except that he was a hardy pioneer, containing a great deal of the stern stuff which goes into the make-up of the adventurous frontiersman. Mary WILSON, wife of Edward A. ELDER and mother of J. G. ELDER, was a daughter of Achilles WILSON, a native of Virginia and early settler of Greene County, GA. The Children of this union are: William A., Absalom, George W., Susannah E., Nancy S., Edward A., James L., Mary M., John G., Joseph B., W. F., and Martha A." Does anyone recognize the family? I can't find them in Lee ELDER's book. Thanks, Jim
Subject: [Elder-News]: Problem using the word HELP in the subject line
From: Donna Logan <fanfare@intrepid.net>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:21:31 -0500
It appears that using the word HELP in the subject line is a problem for MAJORDOMO (the computer program that runs this list). I believe it's only a problem when HELP is the FIRST word in the subject line. Apparently it's assuming that if the word HELP is there then the submitter is requesting HELP from the administrator in how to use the listserv. If the word HELP is the first word in the subject line, it will bounce the email to me only (as the list administrator) and it won't go to the other members of the Elder-News List. I never realized this and I have no way of modifying the program. So I guess we'd best try to word the Subject lines using the word HELP somewhere in the middle ..... since it's obvious what we're all looking for is HELP ;-) I am testing this now with this email using the word HELP in the middle so we can see if that structure also is a problem.... if you get this mail you'll know it's ok. - donna
From: Pat Elder <elderado@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 14:22:25 -0600
Jim, thanks for the info. My husbands line is stuck in IN. with Gabriel. Would like to know where they came from, perhaps KY. Are you the Jim Elder whose wife is a LCDR and was going to P'cola? If so, I talked to you when you were in the DC area. In fact I think that I sent some info to you. Thanks for the Clarion info. Pat Harris Elder
Subject: [Elder-News]: Photo Identification-Clarion Co. Elders
From: LEW1991 <LEW1991@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:27:56 EST
I recently submitted a picture to the Elder Family Homepage (http://www.intrepid.net/genealogy/elder/photo4.html) The picture (a tin type c.1860s or a bit earlier) is of a woman and was found among some letters belonging to Bertha Jane (Elder) Sharrar in Fertigs Pennsylvania (Venango County). Bertha Jane's parents were Robert Elder (1825-1883) and Mary A. Davis Elder (1827-1905) from Clarion County Pa. I've taken the picture out of its frame and found no identifying marks. The picture was well cared for and must have been important to my great grandmother ... I hope someone may be able to identify the lady. Linda Winkler
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Old Georgia Bibles
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:06:48 -0500
Hi Jim, I am not sure who they are, notice the older names of Joseph and Edmund ELDER, familiar names going back to William Edmund ELDER of Richmond Co., VA.? As we all know more than one ELDER family was in GA. and/or their cousins/aunts & uncles. My cousin Lois ELDER LANIER became interested in our family because she was engaged to a LANIER when in college. They decided to look into this: He had three aunts (I don't know the years but probably late 1700's to early 1800's, LANIER and they married three ELDER's. We all discovered not the same family as ours. The Lanier's were in Georgia as were these ELDER's which could give a clue to at least three of our ELDER's. Someone may have seen something which meant little to them. I've seen reference to them before, just a hint. Most of the names are like all of our ELDER's. I know a lady in GA who tried to help me a few years ago, on her husband's side she had a Henry ELDER which was three or four generations back. I will look for it. Thanks for the Bible records, Ann -----Original Message----- From: James P. Golden <jpgolden@juno.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 1:23 PM Subject: [Elder-News]: Old Georgia Bibles > >ELDER Family Bible >Last known owner: Mrs. Herschel Smith > >Marriages: > Mathilda Ann ELDER & William THOMAS 10/25/1855 > Sarah Ann ELDER & A. W. BROWN 12/--/1857 > Martha Jane ELDER & Washington HALL 04/29/1858 > Mary Catherine ELDER & Jimmie S. Masey 12/01/1858 > Elizabeth B. ELDER & Jimmie H. ELDER 11/--/1867 > Henry Trip ELDER & Sarah E. MARSHALL 12/16/1869 > >Births: > Nancy ELDER ---/---/1775 > Roda ELDER 01/19/1801 > Jim ELDER 11/25/1825 > Granvil ELDER 11/20/1826 > Willie ELDER 02/21/1833 > Antinett ELDER 11/01/1822 > Caroline ELDER 03/---/1939 > Edmund _______ ---/---/1862 > Luviser ELDER 02/---/1844 > John ELDER 11/---/1846 > Sebron ELDER 04/---/1848 > Joseph ELDER 10/01/1803 > Nancy ELDER 12/30/1809 > Mathilda Ann 08/29/1828 > John Samuel 08/02/1831 > Sarah Ann 03/04/1833 > Martha Jane 01/03/1835 > William Miles 12/05/1836 > Mary Catherine 11/06/1838 > Nancy Ann 11/17/1840 > David Samuel 12/07/1842 > Elizabeth B. 07/17/1847 > Henry Tripp 02/14/1851 > > John Samuel 04/23/1871 > Dexter Frank 11/09/1873 > Nancy Elizabeth 04/25/1875 > William Wesley 10/17/1877 > Mattie 05/07/1881 > James Z. 03/15/1882 > Carer 09/15/1884 > Trip 09/06/1886 > Sallie 02/08/1889 > Effie Mae 03/10/1896 > >Deaths: > David Samuel ELDER 07/25/1862 > Coro ELDER 11/15/1884 > Nancy ELDER 04/01/1856 > Annie Bell ELDER 05/20/1863 > H. T. ELDER 05/02/1914 > Sarah E. 03/29/1923 > >Can any one identify the family? >Found in GA D. A. R. Historical Collections, GA Bibles >Jim >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER - MATHEWS - BIGGS
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:22:32 -0500
Hello Jim, I have a copy of the will of William Edmund ELDER, Wb. 6 pg. 58, 59 & 61 of which I have only the will, page 58, we could send for the inventory and probate which would be interesting and might give us names if they did have a sale of the estate. Richmond Co., VA William Edmund did have a son John ELDER according to George Harrison King (Fellow, American Society of Genealogists, Fredericksburg, VA, 1966 I have a typed copy). John ELDER son of Wm and Ann ELDER born 25 Nov 1723 moved to Dinwiddie Co VA). You are also correct that we have two John ELDER's which seem I have mixed up in my files, I have a John shown as Wm. son who married when he was seven years of age! Will send copy of both and let me know what you find out, I have always been very interested in this family and the family of Matthew ELDER who apparently came through York Co, Chester Co PA into Botetourt Co VA and Matthew ELDER d. 1783 in Washington Co VA. Ann -----Original Message----- From: James P. Golden <jpgolden@juno.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Cc: star81@ix.netcom.com <star81@ix.netcom.com> Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 10:50 PM Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER - MATHEWS - BIGGS >(1)John ELDER b. 25 Nov 1723 to William ELDER (ca. 1687 - 1754/5) & wife >Ann in North Farnham Parish, Richmond County, VA >Ruth ELDER b. 19 May 1730 to (2) John ELDER & wife Anne in North Farnham >Parish, Richmond County, VA. >It is obvious that John no. 1 is not the same person as John no. 2. The >question is; what relation is John no 2. to William ELDER (ca. 1687 - >1754/5). Peter ELDER, father of William (ca. 1687), died ca. 1687 which >precludes any younger brothers to William. Did Ann mention Samuel as a >brother to William? > >Ann Poe: I have extracted copies of wills of William ELDER (d. 1754/5) >and Peter ELDER (d. 1674). Do you have copies of the originals? If you >do I would like to have copies. ADDRESS: Jim Golden, 2201 Diana Avenue, >Tifton, GA 31794. > >Linda - star81: I to am in doubt about the MATHEWS line. One source >gives Mary MATHEWS father as Ephram MATHEWS of Brunswick County, VA but >also states her brother was George MATHEWS, Governor of Georgia. George >MATHEWS' father was John MATHEWS, b. in Ireland, immigrated to U.S. >through PA and settled in Augusta County, VA. MATHEWS researchers do not >list a Mary among the children of John and wife, Anne Archer. There is >an Ann whom the researchers have no information on. Could it be Mary >Ann? I am more inclined to believe in the Ephram MATHEWS role as father >of Mary MATHEWS ELDER. More research needed here! > >As to the children of Joseph ELDER and his wife Mary MATHEWS: > Joshua (1761-1850) m. HIGHTOWER > David (1764-1853) m (1st) Mary Hill READ > (2nd) Mary PHILLIPS > (3rd) Elizabeth Screven ALLEN > Nancy (1765-ca.1793/6) m. Joel BIGGS > James (ca. 1767- ??) m. Mary "Polly" MASON > John (ca. 1769 - 1812) m.. Nancy Ann JOHNS > Jeremiah (ca 1771- ???) > Mary "Polly" (ca. 1773- ???) m. Joseph CREWS > Elizabeth (ca. 1775-???) > >I have seen Ephram & Edmond included as the sons of Joseph & Mary but the >above are all that are mentioned in his will, recorded in Campbell >County, VA in 1800. > >Joel BIGGS, David ELDER & Joshua ELDER came to Clarke County, GA. Joel >seems to have arrived first being there around 1797/8. David & Joshua >came after 1800. > >It would be interesting to know if any of the other ELDER descendents >came to GA later to join their kin here. > >I really like what Ann is doing with the information in Tennessee and I >think more of us should do likewise and that is a great idea of Jim C's >about the obits. The more information available the easy it is to see >the whole picture. Genealogy is like a jigsaw puzzle; one piece at a >time and the picture become clearer with each piece. > >I wish for all a good and fruitful 1998! Jim >
Subject: [Elder-News]: Family Bible!
From: jpgolden@juno.com (James P. Golden)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:51:17 -0500
William Joseph ELDER Bible Last known owner: Mrs. Alice ELDER, Watkinsville, GA Births: William Joseph ELDER 07/18/1844 Elizabeth Ann ELDER 07/20/1848 Clara Lee ELDER 08/05/1867 William Shannon ELDER 03/30/1869 Martha Pearl ELDER 09/11/1872 Lilly May ELDER 08/03/1880 Omer Franklin ELDER 09/02/1886 Martha Belle ELDER 03/16/1912 Marriages: William Joseph ELDER - Elizabeth Ann OSBORN 05/28/1864 William Joseph ELDER - Cora L. ANDERSON 08/07/1890 William Joseph ELDER - Alice SHELNUTT 12/02/1902 Deaths: Lilly May ELDER 11/24/1884 Mrs. Elizabeth Ann ELDER 08/06/1889 Clara Lee ELDER 07/30/1889 Mrs. Cora L. ELDER 11/10/1896 William Joseph ELDER 04/12/1920 FYI, Jim
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Family Bible!
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:35:45 -0500
Jim, How swift to identify & thanks to all. Ann -----Original Message----- From: James P. Golden <jpgolden@juno.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 6:03 PM Subject: [Elder-News]: Family Bible! > > William Joseph ELDER Bible >Last known owner: Mrs. Alice ELDER, Watkinsville, GA > >Births: >William Joseph ELDER 07/18/1844 >Elizabeth Ann ELDER 07/20/1848 >Clara Lee ELDER 08/05/1867 >William Shannon ELDER 03/30/1869 >Martha Pearl ELDER 09/11/1872 >Lilly May ELDER 08/03/1880 >Omer Franklin ELDER 09/02/1886 >Martha Belle ELDER 03/16/1912 > >Marriages: >William Joseph ELDER - Elizabeth Ann OSBORN 05/28/1864 >William Joseph ELDER - Cora L. ANDERSON 08/07/1890 >William Joseph ELDER - Alice SHELNUTT 12/02/1902 > >Deaths: >Lilly May ELDER 11/24/1884 >Mrs. Elizabeth Ann ELDER 08/06/1889 >Clara Lee ELDER 07/30/1889 >Mrs. Cora L. ELDER 11/10/1896 >William Joseph ELDER 04/12/1920 > > >FYI, Jim >
Subject: [Elder-News]: Marriage CD - Free Online
From: Deb Smyre <dsmyre@primenet.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 23:15:22 -0500
On the Family Tree Maker website, CD 226 is now online for free look-ups. It contains the Georgia Marriage Index, 1754 to 1850. I ran a search for ELDER and ELDERS -- plenty are listed there! http://www.familytreemaker.com/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Deb Smyre E-Mail: dsmyre@primenet.com Web Site: http://www.primenet.com/~dsmyre =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Family Bible!
From: jasmich@sonnet.com
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:28:20 -0800
Karyn, William ELDER and Ann WHEELER are my line. I'd like to see what you have. Would also be willing to share anything I have. Most of my info came from Mary Louise Donnelly's book on William ELDER. You can email me privately at jasmich@sonnet.com. Thanks for your kind offer. Best regards, Mike Bradshaw jasmich@sonnet.com Karyn Maag-Weigand wrote: > > Hello, > I finally copied the geneology chart I have tracing > William Elder 1707-1775, married Ann Wheeler 1707-1737, married Jacobus > Clementina 1707-1801 on down through the Thomas Elder line, then Basil > Spalding line, etc. I would be happy to share this with all, but am not > sure of who to send it to. Or, should I put it all here on the email? > Karyn > > At 09:35 PM 1/4/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Jim, How swift to identify & thanks to all. > >Ann > >-----Original Message----- > >From: James P. Golden <jpgolden@juno.com> > >To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> > >Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 6:03 PM > >Subject: [Elder-News]: Family Bible! > >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Need everyone's help - Clarion Co. info
From: Sharhuff <Sharhuff@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 02:35:16 EST
In a message dated 98-01-04 14:29:50 EST, you write:
<< Dear Billie and all other Clarion Co, PA Elder researchers.
First, I have to say that I have not had time to check the websites
listed below, but do want others to know of another small book of
cemeteries, titled "At Rest in These Hills" which is "A Record of Burials
in Small Cemeteries of Bradys Bend Township and Perry Township, Armstrong
County, PA. These two townships are directly across the Allegheny River
from Clarion Co. They include many families who lived on both sides of the
river. The book is published by Bradys Bend Historical Society, Inc., PO
Box 451, Rural Route 1, East Brady, PA 16028. It was published after
1983.
Of interest to the Elders are entries for the Rumbaugh Cemetery.
The oldest legible death dates on any of the stones are for matching marble
stones of Christopher Truby and Mary Ann Laufer and reads: Truby,
Christopher son of H. L. and A. K. Truby, of Northampton County, PA born
1761, died 1815 and (his wife) Laufer, Mary Ann - daughter of Philip Drum
of Northhampton County, PA, born 1753, died 1814 (but footstone has
initials M.A.L.D!)>>
CORRECTION: In the narrative of the Rumbaugh Cemetery is the following
statement: "This cemetery contains two of the three oldest legible death
dates recorded in this book. They are to be found on the matching marble
stones of Christopher TRUBY and Mary Ann LAUFER." On the following page are
these inscriptions:
"TRUBY, H. L. - born Aug. 18, 1821, died June 2, 1857; 'As a husband devoted,
as a father affectionate, as a freind ever kind and true.' "
"TRUBY, Christopher - son of H. L. and A. K. TRUBY, died Feb. 13, 1849, aged 2
mos., 14 days"
"TRUBY, Thomas M. - died Apr. 5, 1853, aged 6 yrs, 9 days"
"TRUBY, Christopher - son of Christopher TRUBY of Northhampton County, Pa.,
born 1761, died 1815"
"LAUFER, Mary Ann - daughter of Philip DRUM of Northhampton County, Pa., born
1753, died 1814 (But footsone has initials M.A.L.D.!)"
Mary Ann LAUFFER was NOT the wife of Christopher TRUBY who died in 1815.
Christopher married Susanna LAUFFER, d/o Mary Ann (DRUM) LAUFFER and her
husband Bartholomew LAUFFER. Another daughter of Barthol and Mary Ann (Anna
Maria) was Mary Magdalena "Polly" who married Christopher TRUBY's brother,
Jacob. Jacob and Polly are also buried here. They were grandparents of Philip
Lauffer "Loffer" BARGER who married Nancy Jane ELDER (my gr-gr-grandparents.
Nancy was a d/o Thomas, Sr., and Elizabeth "Betsey" (YOUNG) ELDER.
<<Listed on page 17
ELDER, MARION -born Aug 24, 1830, died Apr 2, 1902, Co. K, 155 Reg, PA
Vol (from my research he is the son of Thomas Elder & Elizabeth Young)
ELDER, NANCY (Anderson) - wife of Marion Elder, born Mar 4, 1833, died June
10, 1910
ELDER, MARY L. - born May 24, 1859, died Sept 20, 1900; "At rest"
(daughter of Marion and Nancy)
ELDER, LORENZO, son of James and J.(Jeanette Hagen) Elder, died Apr 12,
1858, aged 6 yrs, 1 mo., 23 days>>
The above ELDERs are of the family of James, Sr., and Catherine (BUCHANAN)
ELDER who settled first in Toby Tp, Armstrong Co. by 1810. In 1830 James was
enumerated in Perry Tp, Armstrong Co.; he hadn't moved; the part of Toby Tp in
which he resided had become Perry Tp in the interim. This same area became a
part of Clarion Co. when it was erected in 1839.
<<Also buried here in unmarked graves:
FREEMAN, JAMES W. - Civil War veteran, born Mar 17, 1836, died Sept 2, 1893
(this is my direct ancestor who married Rachel Buzzard who is the daughter
of George Buzzard and Margaret Elder (my lost Elder)
Not included in the book, but determined by my father to be buried here is
ELDER, PERRY 22 years: father - James T. mother - Ann, lived in
Kittanning, 1st Ward, died in Perry Twp, Apr 15, 1900, intered in Rumbaugh
Cem.
Becky Messing >>
Re Perry ELDER: His full name was Samuel Perry ELDER. The information above
is from Armstrong Co. Death Records. His father, James, was a son of Marion
and Nancy (ANDERSON) ELDER.
The Rumbaugh Cemetery, commonly known as the Truby-Rumbaugh Cemetery is on
land owned by Shelba Davis of Whitney TX, a descendant of James & Jeanetta
(HAGAN) ELDER. Their grandson, James Earl RUMBAUGH, married Mary BARGER,
daughter of Reuben & Margaretta Jane (HOURS) BARGER. Reuben was the original
owner of the land where the Cemetery is located. James and Mary RUMBAUGH
were Shelba's grandparents. Reuben was a younger brother of Loffer BARGER,
mentioned above.
Sharon A. Huffman
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Need everyone's help - Clarion Co. info
From: glm2@psu.edu (Gary L. Messing)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:42:53 +0100
Dear Sharon and Linda,
First, Sharon, thanks for correcting and elaborating on the info I
copied from the cemetery book. I went back to my file cabinet and found
the long letter which you graciously sent to me in 1994 concerning the
Robinson, Elders, etc. I did not realize that Shelby Davies owned the land
this cemetery is on. My parents located an old photo which shows James
Freeman's daughters standing at his graveside with flags, but it is at
least a triple exposure (in more than one direction). I took it to a
computer store here where they scanned the photo and tried to eliminate
some of the extra images. Behind the women is a decorative fence (which is
no longer standing at the cemetery) which is our only clue to the exact
location of his burial plot. Do you think Shelby might remember if there
was a fence? I did not locate your email address, so if you would send it
to me we can correspond again without using the Elder site for your other
families.
Linda, Sharon is a good contact for the area of PA which you are
interested in and she is very helpful. I believe the books are still
available. Also, "If These Hills Could Talk" A History of Bradys Bend
Township, Perry Township and East Brady, PA by the Bradys Bend Historical
Society which is listed at the website maintained by Billie McNamara.
Becky
>In a message dated 98-01-04 14:29:50 EST, you write:
>
><< Dear Billie and all other Clarion Co, PA Elder researchers.
> First, I have to say that I have not had time to check the websites
> listed below, but do want others to know of another small book of
> cemeteries, titled "At Rest in These Hills" which is "A Record of Burials
> in Small Cemeteries of Bradys Bend Township and Perry Township, Armstrong
> County, PA. These two townships are directly across the Allegheny River
> from Clarion Co. They include many families who lived on both sides of the
> river. The book is published by Bradys Bend Historical Society, Inc., PO
> Box 451, Rural Route 1, East Brady, PA 16028. It was published after
> 1983.
> Of interest to the Elders are entries for the Rumbaugh Cemetery.
> The oldest legible death dates on any of the stones are for matching marble
> stones of Christopher Truby and Mary Ann Laufer and reads: Truby,
> Christopher son of H. L. and A. K. Truby, of Northampton County, PA born
> 1761, died 1815 and (his wife) Laufer, Mary Ann - daughter of Philip Drum
> of Northhampton County, PA, born 1753, died 1814 (but footstone has
> initials M.A.L.D!)>>
>
>CORRECTION: In the narrative of the Rumbaugh Cemetery is the following
>statement: "This cemetery contains two of the three oldest legible death
>dates recorded in this book. They are to be found on the matching marble
>stones of Christopher TRUBY and Mary Ann LAUFER." On the following page are
>these inscriptions:
>
>"TRUBY, H. L. - born Aug. 18, 1821, died June 2, 1857; 'As a husband devoted,
>as a father affectionate, as a freind ever kind and true.' "
>
>"TRUBY, Christopher - son of H. L. and A. K. TRUBY, died Feb. 13, 1849, aged 2
>mos., 14 days"
>
>"TRUBY, Thomas M. - died Apr. 5, 1853, aged 6 yrs, 9 days"
>
>"TRUBY, Christopher - son of Christopher TRUBY of Northhampton County, Pa.,
>born 1761, died 1815"
>
>"LAUFER, Mary Ann - daughter of Philip DRUM of Northhampton County, Pa., born
>1753, died 1814 (But footsone has initials M.A.L.D.!)"
>
>Mary Ann LAUFFER was NOT the wife of Christopher TRUBY who died in 1815.
>Christopher married Susanna LAUFFER, d/o Mary Ann (DRUM) LAUFFER and her
>husband Bartholomew LAUFFER. Another daughter of Barthol and Mary Ann (Anna
>Maria) was Mary Magdalena "Polly" who married Christopher TRUBY's brother,
>Jacob. Jacob and Polly are also buried here. They were grandparents of Philip
>Lauffer "Loffer" BARGER who married Nancy Jane ELDER (my gr-gr-grandparents.
>Nancy was a d/o Thomas, Sr., and Elizabeth "Betsey" (YOUNG) ELDER.
>
> <<Listed on page 17
> ELDER, MARION -born Aug 24, 1830, died Apr 2, 1902, Co. K, 155 Reg, PA
> Vol (from my research he is the son of Thomas Elder & Elizabeth Young)
> ELDER, NANCY (Anderson) - wife of Marion Elder, born Mar 4, 1833, died June
> 10, 1910
> ELDER, MARY L. - born May 24, 1859, died Sept 20, 1900; "At rest"
> (daughter of Marion and Nancy)
> ELDER, LORENZO, son of James and J.(Jeanette Hagen) Elder, died Apr 12,
> 1858, aged 6 yrs, 1 mo., 23 days>>
>
>The above ELDERs are of the family of James, Sr., and Catherine (BUCHANAN)
>ELDER who settled first in Toby Tp, Armstrong Co. by 1810. In 1830 James was
>enumerated in Perry Tp, Armstrong Co.; he hadn't moved; the part of Toby Tp in
>which he resided had become Perry Tp in the interim. This same area became a
>part of Clarion Co. when it was erected in 1839.
>
> <<Also buried here in unmarked graves:
> FREEMAN, JAMES W. - Civil War veteran, born Mar 17, 1836, died Sept 2, 1893
> (this is my direct ancestor who married Rachel Buzzard who is the daughter
> of George Buzzard and Margaret Elder (my lost Elder)
>
> Not included in the book, but determined by my father to be buried here is
> ELDER, PERRY 22 years: father - James T. mother - Ann, lived in
> Kittanning, 1st Ward, died in Perry Twp, Apr 15, 1900, intered in Rumbaugh
> Cem.
>
> Becky Messing >>
>
>Re Perry ELDER: His full name was Samuel Perry ELDER. The information above
>is from Armstrong Co. Death Records. His father, James, was a son of Marion
>and Nancy (ANDERSON) ELDER.
>
>The Rumbaugh Cemetery, commonly known as the Truby-Rumbaugh Cemetery is on
>land owned by Shelba Davis of Whitney TX, a descendant of James & Jeanetta
>(HAGAN) ELDER. Their grandson, James Earl RUMBAUGH, married Mary BARGER,
>daughter of Reuben & Margaretta Jane (HOURS) BARGER. Reuben was the original
>owner of the land where the Cemetery is located. James and Mary RUMBAUGH
>were Shelba's grandparents. Reuben was a younger brother of Loffer BARGER,
>mentioned above.
>
>Sharon A. Huffman
Becky Messing
814 W. Foster Ave
State College, PA 16801
(814) 234-0561
glm2@email.psu.edu
Subject: [Elder-News]: More on the MATTHEWS!
From: jpgolden@juno.com (James P. Golden)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:37:37 -0500
Ephraim ELDER, younger brother of Joseph ELDER (who married Mary MATTHEWS) married in Campbell County, VA, 9 Jul 1787 to Martha "Patsy" MATTHEWS. Joseph & Mary went to Campbell County around 1790; his younger children married there and his will was recorded and probated there in 1800. Is Martha "Patsy" MATTHEWS a niece to Mary MATTHEWS ELDER? Did they moved to the west leaving Dinwiddie & Brunswick property to the older children? Has anyone pursued this? Jim
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Family Bible!
From: Karyn Maag-Weigand <karynmw@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 13:04:09 -0800
Hello, I finally copied the geneology chart I have tracing William Elder 1707-1775, married Ann Wheeler 1707-1737, married Jacobus Clementina 1707-1801 on down through the Thomas Elder line, then Basil Spalding line, etc. I would be happy to share this with all, but am not sure of who to send it to. Or, should I put it all here on the email? Karyn At 09:35 PM 1/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >Jim, How swift to identify & thanks to all. >Ann >-----Original Message----- >From: James P. Golden <jpgolden@juno.com> >To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> >Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 6:03 PM >Subject: [Elder-News]: Family Bible! > > >> >> William Joseph ELDER Bible >>Last known owner: Mrs. Alice ELDER, Watkinsville, GA >> >>Births: >>William Joseph ELDER 07/18/1844 >>Elizabeth Ann ELDER 07/20/1848 >>Clara Lee ELDER 08/05/1867 >>William Shannon ELDER 03/30/1869 >>Martha Pearl ELDER 09/11/1872 >>Lilly May ELDER 08/03/1880 >>Omer Franklin ELDER 09/02/1886 >>Martha Belle ELDER 03/16/1912 >> >>Marriages: >>William Joseph ELDER - Elizabeth Ann OSBORN 05/28/1864 >>William Joseph ELDER - Cora L. ANDERSON 08/07/1890 >>William Joseph ELDER - Alice SHELNUTT 12/02/1902 >> >>Deaths: >>Lilly May ELDER 11/24/1884 >>Mrs. Elizabeth Ann ELDER 08/06/1889 >>Clara Lee ELDER 07/30/1889 >>Mrs. Cora L. ELDER 11/10/1896 >>William Joseph ELDER 04/12/1920 >> >> >>FYI, Jim >> > > > > >
Subject: [Elder-News]: Wilkes County, Georgia ELDERs!
From: jpgolden@juno.com (James P. Golden)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:57:39 -0500
William ELDER was in Wilkes County, GA ca. 1785. He and his wife Lydia and a William GLASS and his wife Sarah seem to have arrived in the same time period. Their names appear as witnesses for each others transactions. William GLASS and his wife Sarah deeded land to Joshua ELDER (son of William ELDER ??) in 1792. It was a tract of land that was a part of a grant to the said William GLASS in 1784. Did Joshua ELDER marry William GLASS's daughter or is there another connection? William ELDER appears on the Tax List for Wilkes County in 1786 with 250 ac on Kettle Creek. Joseph ELDER appears on the Tax List for Wilkes County in 1790 in the same area of the County. In 1793, William ELDER and his wife are listed as being in Washington County, GA as is William GLASS and his wife Sarah. Joshua ELDER is listed on the Tax List of Wilkes County in 1791 on Kettle Creek. In 1792 William GLASS deeded land on the Little River to Joshua ELDER. Edmund ELDER appears on the Tax List in 1798 in the dist, adjacent to the one that the other ELDERs were living in. A deed recorded in 1801 for 400 ac. that was granted to William GLASS and deeded by him to Joshua ELDER was sold by the said Joshua to George TUCKER prior to the 1801 deed but I didn't find that transaction. Could this William ELDER be the William ELDER, son of William & Ann ELDER of Richmond County. He had to be born before 1760 to have arrived in GA ca. 1785 and establish himself as a solid citizen to be a witness and act in behalf of others as he did in Wilkes County prior to 1786. If Joshua, Joseph and Edmond are his sons then the names are certainly similar to those of our Joseph ELDER and Mary MATTHEWS family. Anyone have any ideas on this? Regards, Jim
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Family Bible!
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:35:26 -0500
Hi Karyn, Which is the least work for you? If snail mail will pay for copies and postage or by e-mail, I would like to know more about that family, I have one books on William ELDER which Sister Mary Donnelly (hope I spelled it right). Thanks, Ann Poe elderbrooks@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: Karyn Maag-Weigand <karynmw@mindspring.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Monday, January 05, 1998 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Family Bible! >Hello, >I finally copied the geneology chart I have tracing > William Elder 1707-1775, married Ann Wheeler 1707-1737, married Jacobus >Clementina 1707-1801 on down through the Thomas Elder line, then Basil >Spalding line, etc. I would be happy to share this with all, but am not >sure of who to send it to. Or, should I put it all here on the email? >Karyn > > > > >At 09:35 PM 1/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >>Jim, How swift to identify & thanks to all. >>Ann >>-----Original Message----- >>From: James P. Golden <jpgolden@juno.com> >>To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> >>Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 6:03 PM >>Subject: [Elder-News]: Family Bible! >> >> >>> >>> William Joseph ELDER Bible >>>Last known owner: Mrs. Alice ELDER, Watkinsville, GA >>> >>>Births: >>>William Joseph ELDER 07/18/1844 >>>Elizabeth Ann ELDER 07/20/1848 >>>Clara Lee ELDER 08/05/1867 >>>William Shannon ELDER 03/30/1869 >>>Martha Pearl ELDER 09/11/1872 >>>Lilly May ELDER 08/03/1880 >>>Omer Franklin ELDER 09/02/1886 >>>Martha Belle ELDER 03/16/1912 >>> >>>Marriages: >>>William Joseph ELDER - Elizabeth Ann OSBORN 05/28/1864 >>>William Joseph ELDER - Cora L. ANDERSON 08/07/1890 >>>William Joseph ELDER - Alice SHELNUTT 12/02/1902 >>> >>>Deaths: >>>Lilly May ELDER 11/24/1884 >>>Mrs. Elizabeth Ann ELDER 08/06/1889 >>>Clara Lee ELDER 07/30/1889 >>>Mrs. Cora L. ELDER 11/10/1896 >>>William Joseph ELDER 04/12/1920 >>> >>> >>>FYI, Jim >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >
From: karynmw <karynmw@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:05:27 -0800
Here's the info on the William Elder line, from Lanchashire, near
Liverpool, England. This is the Catholic Elder line. The asterisks
indicate my line.
Wm. Elder 1707-1775 m. Ann Wheeler 1707-1737 m. Jacobus Clementine
Children: Arnold 1745-1812
Aloysius 1758-1857
William
Richard
Guy
Charles
Francsis
Mary m. Richard Lilly
Elizabeth m. Richard Bravner
Nancy m. Henry Spalding
** Thomas Elder 1748-1832 m. Eliz. Spalding. The children are:
Catherine m. Joseph Gardiner
William Pins 1779-1799
Ignatius 1782-? m. Monica Greenwall
Clementina 1780-1851 m. Richard Clark
Theresa 1785-1816
Christiana 1791-? m. J.B.Wright
Thomas 1787-1788
Mary Elizabeth 1794-? m. M. Jaboc
Thomas Richard 1789-1835 m. Caroline Clements
Maria M. 1797-? m. John Howell
** Basil Spalding 1773-1869 m. Eliozabeth M. Snowden 1782-1860
Eleanora 1802-1891 Became a Sister of Charity 1822
Thos Enry 1804-1804 (2 months old)
Mary Elizabeth 1805-1832 m. Alonzo C. Baldwin
Francis Wm. 1807-1889 m. Margarita Lawrenson
then m. Matilda Winchester (widow Doering)
Juliana 1809-1846 m. Edward Jenkens
Basil Thomas 1811-1893 m. Josephina Mitchell
John Carroll 1813-? m. Mrs. Eliz. Segler
Joseph Enoch 1815-? m. Rebecca Scott
**Thos. Andrew Snowden Elder 1817-1898
m. Margaret Laura Winchester 1821-?
Charles David 1822-? m. Susan Blanchard
William Henry 1819-? Bishop of Natchez,
Archbishop of Cincinnciti
Frederic Alexia 1825-1826
Charles 1821-1821 (died at 2 months)
to be continued for the Thomas Andrew Snowden Elder line....
Karyn
Subject: [Elder-News]: Thos.Andrew Snowden Elder
From: karynmw <karynmw@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:24:57 -0800
Thomas Andrew Snowden Elder 1817-1898 m. Margaret Laura Winchester 1821-?
(I also have the Winchester chart)
Children: James Lawrence Vincent 1861-? m. Elsie Vaughn
Carnelite Winchester 1842-1846
Laura Elise 1844-? m. Nicholas Basling
Marie Constance 1847-? Entered convent of Good Shepherd @ St. Louis
Maria Louisa 1849-? m. Francois Gailnne'
Gustave Hermann Doering 1851-?
Thomas Snowden 1856-1866
Mary Sidney 1861-1904 m. George Moore
** Joseph Benjamin Winchester Elder ?-? m. Theresa Dixie Simms d.1909
Benedict Winchester 1888-1906 (died in hunting accident @16yr)
Sidney 1891-? m. Earl Henking
Winchester 1892-? m Richard L. Brandt
W. Lawrence 1895-? m Ailene O'Brien, m. Gladys Thomson
**Dixie Roberta 1890-1978 m. Wm. John Chalkley d.1913
Wm. John Chalkley 1910-1980?
Dixie Lee Chalkley 1912-1997 m. James Whitmore Haines 1914-1969
four daughters and 5 grandchildren
then Dixie Roberta Elder Chalkley 1890-1978 m. Roy Lee Shaw 1891-1958 (CA)
Roy Lee 1921 m. Yvonne Miller and 8 children
James Benjamin 1925 m. Faye French and 4 children &
grandchildren
Mary Elder 1922 m. Reginald Paul Maag Jr.
Karyn Elder Maag 1945 m. George Petrilak
Cheryl LaDeane 1968
Stephen Douglas 1971
Reginald Paul Maag 3rd
Mary Margaret Maag
Douglas Roy Maag
Andrew James Maag
As best I know.
Karyn
From: karynmw <karynmw@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:39:38 -0800
Hi Mike, I have listed everything I have, except for the grandchildren of Basil Spalding and Elizabeth Snowden. I don't even know where this chart came from. There are no markings on it. I do know that Elder's are buried in the Layfayette Cemetery in New Orleans, LA. If you have any specific questions, I'll tell you what I may know. Karyn
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Need everyone's help - Clarion Co. info
From: Sharhuff <Sharhuff@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:21:51 EST
In a message dated 98-01-05 08:41:10 EST, you write:
<< Dear Sharon and Linda,
First, Sharon, thanks for correcting and elaborating on the info I
copied from the cemetery book. I went back to my file cabinet and found
the long letter which you graciously sent to me in 1994 concerning the
Robinson, Elders, etc. I did not realize that Shelby Davies owned the land
this cemetery is on. My parents located an old photo which shows James
Freeman's daughters standing at his graveside with flags, but it is at
least a triple exposure (in more than one direction). I took it to a
computer store here where they scanned the photo and tried to eliminate
some of the extra images. Behind the women is a decorative fence (which is
no longer standing at the cemetery) which is our only clue to the exact
location of his burial plot. Do you think Shelby might remember if there
was a fence? I did not locate your email address, so if you would send it
to me we can correspond again without using the Elder site for your other
families.
Linda, Sharon is a good contact for the area of PA which you are
interested in and she is very helpful. I believe the books are still
available. Also, "If These Hills Could Talk" A History of Bradys Bend
Township, Perry Township and East Brady, PA by the Bradys Bend Historical
Society which is listed at the website maintained by Billie McNamara.
Becky
>>
Becky,
When last we corresponded I was not online. My e-mail address:
sharhuff@aol.com.
While I have no documentation to support the theory, I have some clues to the
origins of your Margaret "Peggy" ELDER. These I will e-mail directly to you
since they are unproven--and probably will require some lengthy explanation.
Linda and I have been corresponding for some time. She has generously
contributed the info on her ELDER family which has gone out in supplements to
our book on James ELDER, Sr., and his descendants.
In addition to the two books compiled by the Bradys Bend Historical Society
(both of which I have), there are two other published books on Armstrong Co.
cemeteries:
"Cemetery Listings of Armstrong County Pennsylvania," compiled by Don W.
Rupert, 1992, printed and published by Closson Press, and "Burials in the
Kittanning Cemetery, Kittanning, Pennsylvania, 1811-1995," compiled by Allen
R. & Marla K. Mechling, 1996, printed by Closson Press and published by
Mechling Associates, Inc., Butler PA. For the Venango Co. area, the Venango
County Historical Society at Franklin PA is publishing cemetery records for
the county. To date they have compiled five books covering Irvin, Mineral,
Victory, Clinton, Scrubgrass, Richland and Rockland Tps. This is the entire
southern section of Venango Co. excluding Emlenton. These are all terrifice
sources of data for this area.
Due to a problem with my server and/or my computer, I haven't been able to
access the Internet the past few days so haven't been to the newest Clarion
Co. Websites yet. With our ELDER families firmly entrenched there, this is a
"Must see."
I will check with Shelba, next time I write, about the fence--she isn't
online.
Sharon Huffman
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: please post state names
From: RC Dixon <rcdixon@compuex.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 07:41:33 -0600
Rlaneb1 wrote: > > HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! I am hoping someone might have a William Elder born > in 1773 in VA. He married Mary Towler. They were later found living in > Rutherford County, TN. Their daughter Mary Jefferies Elder married William > Crisp/Chrisp. R.Bangsund rlaneb1@aol.com B. Bangsund, Mary Jeffers (Jefferies) and William Chrisp are my direct line ancestors. Their daughter, Eliza G. Chrisp married William C. Bowman in 1837 in Gibson Co. TN who was the grandfather of my grandmother, Minnie Elizabeth Bowman. I have many descendants and ancestors if you would like to exchange information. I sent E-Mail to you last Friday at the address contained in the body of the above E-Mail. I got no response so I decided to "reply" to your E-Mail through elder-news. I hope this gets to you. Dick in Houston <rcdixon@compuex.com>
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Wilkes County, Georgia ELDERs!
From: Starr <starr81@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 09:52:09 -0600
Jim and other GA ELDER researchers,
I have the parents of Joshua Elder of Wilkes Co. GA as Joseph and
Mary (Matthews). Joshua was b. 1761 in VA d. 1850 Coweta Co. GA. He
married 1st ____ Hightower 1790 Wilkes Co. Up front, I haven't personally
worked this Joshua after determining he wasn't the father of "my" Joshua
who m. 1812 in Clarke Co. GA.
>Joshua ELDER is listed on the Tax List of Wilkes County in 1791 on
>Kettle Creek. In 1792 William GLASS deeded land on the Little River to
>Joshua ELDER.
This is the same general area; Kettle Cr runs into the Little River.
The STARRs in this are mine.
>A deed recorded in 1801 for 400 ac. that was granted to William GLASS and
>deeded by him to Joshua ELDER was sold by the said Joshua to George
>TUCKER prior to the 1801 deed but I didn't find that transaction.
It's located page 417, Deed Bk RR dated 16 NOV 1799 "Joshua and
Sarah of Greene Co. to Geo Tucker ... 200 acres adj. John Ogletree, James
Finley and Goerge Tucker in Wilkes on LIttle Ribert ... part of 400 acres
to Wm Glass wit: Thos Brown J.P., Jery Brown. A note signed by Thos Brown
Jr. JP says Joshua was then living in Greene Co. The next page has Geo
Tucker selling this land ... both deeds were registered 19 JUN 1800. This
per Michal Farmer's _Wilkes Co. GA Deed Books A-VV 1784-1808_.
Jim, if you (or others) are interested I have an ascii file (can't
remember how large) of the neighbors of "all" STARRs from the census
records c1784 to c1806. I won't guarantee it has "all" ELDERs listed, but
it will have the ones who appear in the same tax list as Henry STARR and
his sons -- plus several other people. Your people appear on it from time
to time. I also have a map which I can send showing the area where Henry
STARR lived. Off hand I don't remember what scanner program my son used --
he said it was a very common one. Others haven't had any problems reading
it. Let me know if you are interested. Linda
Linda Sparks Starr
starr81@ix.netcom.com
http://pw1.netcom.com/~starr81/index.htm
Subject: Re: Re: [Elder-News]: Family Bible!
From: RElder1922 <RElder1922@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:23:14 EST
I would be happy to receive any information on any Elders that you have information on, provided it is about Elders in Scotland in the 1600s or 1700s. Thanks Bob Elder
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Problem using the word HELP - resolved
From: Donna Logan <fanfare@intrepid.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:43:28 -0500
Hi all, Well, it appears that using the word HELP in the subject line is ok, as long as it's not the FIRST WORD ..... anywhere in-between is fine. - donna
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Georgia ELDERs
From: Deb Smyre <dsmyre@primenet.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:47:18 -0500
I'm excited to see lots of Georgia ELDERs information on the mail list! I'm seeking info on an ELDERS ancestor from Murray County, Georgia -- Davis ELDERS married 21 May 1881 to Rhoda Jane CAYLOR in Murray Co., GA Davis ELDER is shown on the 1880 census of Murray County, Georgia in household #332 at age 18 (GA-GA-GA) living with Drury A. WHEAT age 77 (KY-MD-VA) and Nancy Wheat age 81 (NC-VA-NC), and Eliza CRITTENDEN age 76 (NC-VA-NC). If any Georgia ELDERs researchers can shed light on the parents or siblings of this one Davis ELDERS, I would be very grateful. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Deb Smyre E-Mail: dsmyre@primenet.com Web Site: http://www.primenet.com/~dsmyre =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER - MATHEWS - BIGGS
From: jpgolden@juno.com (James P. Golden)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:50:57 -0500
On Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:22:32 -0500 "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com> writes: >Hello Jim, > >I have a copy of the will of William Edmund ELDER, Wb. 6 pg. 58, 59 & >61 of >which I have only the will, page 58, we could send for the inventory >and >probate which would be interesting and might give us names if they did >have >a sale of the estate. Richmond Co., VA > >William Edmund did have a son John ELDER according to George Harrison >King >(Fellow, American Society of Genealogists, Fredericksburg, VA, 1966 I >have a >typed copy). John ELDER son of Wm and Ann ELDER born 25 Nov 1723 >moved to >Dinwiddie Co VA). You are also correct that we have two John ELDER's >which >seem I have mixed up in my files, I have a John shown as Wm. son who >married >when he was seven years of age! > >Will send copy of both and let me know what you find out, I have >always been >very interested in this family and the family of Matthew ELDER who >apparently came through York Co, Chester Co PA into Botetourt Co VA >and >Matthew ELDER d. 1783 in Washington Co VA. > >Ann >-----Original Message----- >From: James P. Golden <jpgolden@juno.com> >To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> >Cc: star81@ix.netcom.com <star81@ix.netcom.com> >Date: Saturday, January 03, 1998 10:50 PM >Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER - MATHEWS - BIGGS > > >>(1)John ELDER b. 25 Nov 1723 to William ELDER (ca. 1687 - 1754/5) & >wife >>Ann in North Farnham Parish, Richmond County, VA >>Ruth ELDER b. 19 May 1730 to (2) John ELDER & wife Anne in North >Farnham >>Parish, Richmond County, VA. >>It is obvious that John no. 1 is not the same person as John no. 2. >The >>question is; what relation is John no 2. to William ELDER (ca. 1687 - >>1754/5). Peter ELDER, father of William (ca. 1687), died ca. 1687 >which >>precludes any younger brothers to William. Did Ann mention Samuel as >a >>brother to William? >> >>Ann Poe: I have extracted copies of wills of William ELDER (d. >1754/5) >>and Peter ELDER (d. 1674). Do you have copies of the originals? If >you >>do I would like to have copies. ADDRESS: Jim Golden, 2201 Diana >Avenue, >>Tifton, GA 31794. >> >>Linda - star81: I to am in doubt about the MATHEWS line. One source >>gives Mary MATHEWS father as Ephraim MATHEWS of Brunswick County, VA >but >>also states her brother was George MATHEWS, Governor of Georgia. >George >>MATHEWS' father was John MATHEWS, b. in Ireland, immigrated to U.S. >>through PA and settled in Augusta County, VA. MATHEWS researchers do >not >>list a Mary among the children of John and wife, Anne Archer. There >is >>an Ann whom the researchers have no information on. Could it be Mary >>Ann? I am more inclined to believe in the Ephraim MATHEWS role as >father >>of Mary MATHEWS ELDER. More research needed here! >> >>As to the children of Joseph ELDER and his wife Mary MATHEWS: >> Joshua (1761-1850) m. HIGHTOWER >> David (1764-1853) m (1st) Mary Hill READ >> (2nd) Mary PHILLIPS >> (3rd) Elizabeth Screven ALLEN >> Nancy (1765-ca.1793/6) m. Joel BIGGS >> James (ca. 1767- ??) m. Mary "Polly" MASON >> John (ca. 1769 - 1812) m.. Nancy Ann JOHNS >> Jeremiah (ca 1771- ???) >> Mary "Polly" (ca. 1773- ???) m. Joseph CREWS >> Elizabeth (ca. 1775-???) >> >>I have seen Ephraim & Edmond included as the sons of Joseph & Mary but >the >>above are all that are mentioned in his will, recorded in Campbell >>County, VA in 1800. >> >>Joel BIGGS, David ELDER & Joshua ELDER came to Clarke County, GA. >Joel >>seems to have arrived first being there around 1797/8. David & >Joshua >>came after 1800. >> >>It would be interesting to know if any of the other ELDER descendants >>came to GA later to join their kin here. >> >>I really like what Ann is doing with the information in Tennessee and >I >>think more of us should do likewise and that is a great idea of Jim >C's >>about the obits. The more information available the easy it is to >see >>the whole picture. Genealogy is like a jigsaw puzzle; one piece at a >>time and the picture become clearer with each piece. >> >>I wish for all a good and fruitful 1998! Jim >> Hi Ann! How about Newman ELDER. He was closely associated with Joseph & Mary MATTHEWS ELDER in Dinwiddie & Brunswick Counties, VA. Somewhere I saw where someone had attributed him to Joseph & Mary supposing that Mary was a NEWMANS. Perhaps Newman is a middle name for one of Joseph's boys ---- John, James, Joshua or David. What about that theory?
Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message
From: MOMXFIVE@prodigy.com (MS LAUNA JEAN MAIKOWSKI)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:15:38, -0500
Hello All,
I have a Joshua Elder listed as a purchaser of some inventory of the
deceased William Lea. This was July 1, 1794, Wilkes Co, Ga. He is
also mentioned in Wilkes Co, Ga c 1801 in list of debts of the John
Talbot estate. Joshua Elder was the father of John Lewis Elder who
was my gggreatfather. This Joshua Elder was the son of Joseph and
Mary (Mathews) Elder.
launa
Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message
From: MOMXFIVE@prodigy.com (MS LAUNA JEAN MAIKOWSKI)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:28:40, -0500
Linda, I for one would be happy to know what info there is on Joshua
Elder, especially on the census records. I can claim this Joshua as
my ggggreatfather (his wife was named Minerva Hightower) Thanks.
launa
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Family Bible!
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:42:19 -0500
Karyn, I have Sister Mary Donnelly's address, she moved to TX several years ago, I do not know if she is still in TX. would have to look for it but just let me know. Ann eldrerbrooks@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: jasmich@sonnet.com <jasmich@sonnet.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Family Bible! >Karyn, > >William ELDER and Ann WHEELER are my line. I'd like to see what you >have. > >Would also be willing to share anything I have. Most of my info came >from Mary Louise Donnelly's book on William ELDER. > >You can email me privately at jasmich@sonnet.com. > >Thanks for your kind offer. > >Best regards, > > >Mike Bradshaw >jasmich@sonnet.com >Karyn Maag-Weigand wrote: >> >> Hello, >> I finally copied the geneology chart I have tracing >> William Elder 1707-1775, married Ann Wheeler 1707-1737, married Jacobus >> Clementina 1707-1801 on down through the Thomas Elder line, then Basil >> Spalding line, etc. I would be happy to share this with all, but am not >> sure of who to send it to. Or, should I put it all here on the email? >> Karyn >> >> At 09:35 PM 1/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >Jim, How swift to identify & thanks to all. >> >Ann >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: James P. Golden <jpgolden@juno.com> >> >To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> >> >Date: Sunday, January 04, 1998 6:03 PM >> >Subject: [Elder-News]: Family Bible! >> > >
Subject: [Elder-News]: elder cambria county
From: john <apuabu@redrose.net>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:55:48 -0800
I NEED HELP I AM LOOKING FOR GEORGE ELDER BORN IN CAMBRIA CO. I ALREADY HAVE LEDOUX INFO ,LAST KNOW PLACE WAS CRESSON PA AROUND. 1900.GEORGE WAS BORN 5-4-1858 AND WAS MARRIED TO MATILDA HANCUFF,HIS FATHERS NAME WAS JAMES B:1811 D:1880,OF CAMBRIA COUNTY ,MOTHERS NAME WAS SARA HOWELL BORN :1821 DIED: 1860 BURIED IN ST. ALOYSIUS CEMETERY CRESSON PA. thank you john e.
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Internet Message
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:13:55 -0500
Hi Launa, So glad to hear from you the more we bring out the more is going to be resolved. O.K. for all of us. More later, Ann -----Original Message----- From: MS LAUNA JEAN MAIKOWSKI <MOMXFIVE@prodigy.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 8:36 PM Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message >Hello All, > I have a Joshua Elder listed as a purchaser of some inventory of the >deceased William Lea. This was July 1, 1794, Wilkes Co, Ga. He is >also mentioned in Wilkes Co, Ga c 1801 in list of debts of the John >Talbot estate. Joshua Elder was the father of John Lewis Elder who >was my gggreatfather. This Joshua Elder was the son of Joseph and >Mary (Mathews) Elder. > > launa >