Subject: [Elder-News]: Census Headings
From: "Sharon L. Stasak" <gjslstasak@ameritech.net>
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:23:40 -0500
To Linda, Sherry and all of the Elders who aided in my earlier request
for census headings for the 1910 and 1920 census years.
Sherry referred to a book published by the Dept. of Commerce. I was
able to obtain the book, and it is wonderful! Here is the pertinent
information for obtaining a copy if you are intereested:
NTIS = National Technical Information Service
Title = "200 Years of U.S. Census Taking: Population and
housing questions, 1790-1900."
Published by the:
U.S. Department of Commerce
Technology Administration
National Technical Information Service
Springfield, VA 22161
Phone: (703) 487-5650
Price: $31.50
Publication Bar Code #PB90235144
Shipping & Hanlding is $4.00
Total is $35.50
I ordered the book over the phone from NTIS, and it was here in 5 days.
Regards,
Sharon Stasak
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Personal to Lee Elder
From: LaCornwell@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:50:16 EST
Hi, Linda,
So, besides being related via Asher and Brandom, you also have Elders?
Which line? I am descended from Robert Elder, b. 1679 at Elderslie, near
Paisley Renfrewshire in lowland courntry about six miles from Glasgow,
Scotland, and died Jul 28, 1746 in Paxtang Township, Lancaster (now Dauphin)
County, PA. So that makes me a descendant of the well-researched Paxtang
Elders.
Larry
I am researching the following surnames: Aertse/Jacobsen/VanWogenin/Pels,
Alberts/Hendricks, Andriesen,
Asher, Bane, Banks,Barger, Barringer, Bastiaens, Batdorf, Beatty, Bidert,
Bogertman, Bogart, Bon, Boon,
Brandom, Brobst, Brokaw, Bryant, Bush, Callahan, Chambers, Cilplinger,
Clements, Cooms, Cornel, Cornwell,
Croesvelt, Cunningham, Davids, DÌAyen/Noailles, De Haes, Dunkin, Edwards,
Elder, Ewing, Feg,Fountaine,
Gansenbrink, Gerrits, Gillespie, Graber, Grier, Gunkel, Haener, Helm,
Hermanse, Hautz, Houtz, Howison,
Hubbard, Jackson, Jacobse, Janssen, Jenkins, Jerrian,Joosten, Kerr, Lambert,
Langhiet, Lee, Lefevre, Lockheart,
Lodewyck, Longberry, Maips, Martensen, Mawson, McKimmey/McKinney, Meyers,
Mouritz, Mohr, Nyssen, Op
de Graef, Obermayer/ Overmeyer, Peiters, Perrine, Pietersen/Laurens, Plattner,
Pletjes, Prost, Rapalje, Rice, Ross,
Sanders, Schenk, Schuett, Schweitzer, Seales/Jans, Seubering, Small, Sohnin,
Steynmets, Stryker, Studerin, Syllys,
Thompson, Thorel, Thornton, Trico, Tschudi(n), Van Bebber, Van Vossen, Van
Fossen, Van Middlesworth, Van
Nieuwkerk, Van Nortwick, Van Nostrand, Van Wesel, Vennink, Verdoes, Vogt,
Walborn, Weber, Weiberia,
Weitstich, Willems, Widmer/Witmer, Wittstich, Willett, Wuertz.
I will do lookups in the Daughters of the American Revolution Patriot Index,
Centennial Edition. If you have a
Revolutionary War ancestor, or suspect one of your ancestors was or could
have been in the war, e-mail me with
what you know about him/her. I have a 3336-page index of all Revolutionary
War soldiers whom DAR members
have claimed as their patriot ancestor for membership in the DAR. I will put
you on the path to getting copies of
these
membersÌ applications, which will be full of genealogical information,
documenting the soldierÌs family and
service.
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Personal to Lee Elder
From: Starr <starr81@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 14:56:12 -0600
Hi again,
My John Henry Starr (1812-1875) married first Mary ELDER, daughter of
Joshua and Anna Gray who married in Clarke Co. GA 1812. Lee has this line
backed into early Richmond Co. VA (I think -- this is from top of my head).
I promised last fall to "correct" his STARR data and had health problems
before I got around to it. Now he's sending the data by snail for me to
correct for his next update. I once thought my line was part of the Paxtang
group so have lots on them, but that was when I thought my STARRs were the
PA Quakers too. Lots of things change over the years.
Do you connect back in Renfrewshire to any CRAWFORD / POAGE / RANKINs?
I have copies of a couple pages from a book on Renfrewshire history which
mentions all those surnames -- mine in early Augusta Co. VA? Linda
Linda Sparks Starr
for VA CLARK/MOORMAN and allied lines:
starr81@ix.netcom.com or
http://home.earthlink.net/~qlstarr/
for Henry STARR of GA info
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/7592/stargrp.html
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Personal to Lee Elder
From: Starr <starr81@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 15:03:24 -0600
Larry,
Thanks for the offer re: look ups. I may get back to you when I get
to those lines ... I looked through your "other" surnames and only BANKs,
HENDRICKS, CLEMENT -- do you connect to Mark Twain? I have his line to
MOORMAN connection <g>, KERR -- marriage of Letitia to Wm Robertson in
Augusta Co. VA (or at least they moved to and d. there; RICE -- seems like
two lines (one to KY and connected by marriage to CLAYCOMB or HICKMAN and
then CLAYCOMB and the other in VA early 1700s with marriage to an OGLETREE;
BANKs is an allied line/just neighbors to my TRAYLORs in VA and GA;
HENDRICKS connect to my MOORMAN/CLARKs in colonial VA as does CLEMENTs.
Linda
Linda Sparks Starr
for VA CLARK/MOORMAN and allied lines:
starr81@ix.netcom.com or
http://home.earthlink.net/~qlstarr/
for Henry STARR of GA info
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/7592/stargrp.html
Subject: [Elder-News]: Elders in early MA
From: Chuck Moore <moore@pionet.net>
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 11:27:03 -0600
Lee: It is nice to see your message on the look-up offer again. Please look these over and see if you can recognize some Elder names. They are not direct ancestors of mine, however I would like to tie them in better if possible. I have quite a few marriages of the Elder- Moor families starting in Murryfield, Mass. Molly Elder of Murryfield, MA d. May,1817. buried Chester Center, MA. m. William Moore b.Mar. 1743-4, Rutland, MA. Molly had brother Thomas. John Elder b.1750 of Murryfield, MA d.July 1810,buried Chester Center MA m.Oct.22,1778 in Rutland,MA to Sarah Moor b.1752,d.13 Sept. 1839. Elizabeth Elder b.1751 d.4 July,1820 m.Nov.1773 in Chester MA to Samuel Moor b.1748 in Rutland, MA d.8 Aug,1822 in Chester, MA Thomas Elder d.1814, bur.Chester MA m.26 Nov 1772 in Rutland MA to Margaret Moor b.1750 in Rutland, MA d.22 Oct 1786, bur. Chester Center, MA Children : Thomas b.Jun. 1774, Samuel b.May. 1776, Kate b.Apr.1778, James b.Jan. 1780, Charlotte b.Jan. 1782, John b.Mar. 1784, and Artemus b. Oct. 1785. The Moore families started in MA then migrated through New York (Ostego and Schoharie Counties for awhile) then to Ohio (Butler Co) and setteled in Indiana (Franklin,now Rush Co.), Wabash Co and others. I'm looking for conformation from Elder researchers. Do you see any connection?? Chuck Moore Manning, Iowa moore@pionet.net
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Genealogical Searches
From: "Lee M. Elder" <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 11:56:52 -0800
Robert Brown wrote: > > I am interested in learning more. Please send to GXFK24F@PRODIGY.COM > > Bob Brown Bob: I will be glad to look up some of your family. Let me know if you are in the Pennsylvania Group, or the Kentucky group, or the Maryland group. or my group which is the South Elder family starting with Peter Elder 1650's in Virginia, going on to Georgia in 1807 and then to Tennessee, NC., Arkansas, Missouri, and Texas. I have 53,000 names in all of my computer and can look up names very easy. Give me your earliest relative's name and date of birth and wife if you have it. Thanks Lee
Subject: [Elder-News]: William Elder
From: Bob and Diane Elder <elder@presys.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 12:09:25 -0800
I have asked before, but with new subscribers maybe someone has some information: William 'Billy' Elder and his wife Martha 'Patsy' Moore left North Carolina where they were wed in Randolph County on 5 August 1810. Who were their parents? Siblings? They moved to Overton County, Tennessee. They are both buried there in the family cemetery on Rockey Ridge where they had their land. He died in 1864 and she died after that. They were parents of Robert, John, Allen, Salinda, Sarah, Margartet, Manisa and James. Not in this order. I am sure that Robert is the eldest and Manisa is the youngest. They were all born in Overton County, Tennessee. Robert migrated to Oregon, James to Texas, John stayed in Tennessee and Allen went to Georgia and back to Tennessee. Thanks for your help. Diane Elder elder@presys.com
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: William Elder - Family b. 1685
From: karynmw <karynmw@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 17:33:08 -0800
Hi Lee, I just got this email and want to clarify that I am the daugher of Mary Elder Shaw and my name is Karyn Elder Maag-Weigand (NOT SHAW). Please correct your records, although you must have an incredible amount to keep up with! Thanks, Karyn At 08:24 PM 02/07/1998 -0800, you wrote: >Hi Jim: > I have the William Elder family starting with William Elder b. 1685 and >wife Elizabeth Finch and have over 18,300 names in my directory. > >I have Roy Lee Shaw, Sr. and wife Dixie Roberta Elder with three >children. Mary Elder Shaw and she has a daughter Karyn Shaw. I have >Roy Lee Shaw, Jr. and no children, I have James Shaw with Faye and no >children. I would like to have the rest of the family including your >family. > >I don't have the father or mother of Roy Lee Shaw, Sr. I do have family >for Dixie Roberta Elder > >I come from Peter Elder who came over in the 1650's with two brothers >David and Daniel. I have over 25,200 in this family in my computer at >this time. I have 31 different directories of Elder families in my >computer that total 53,742 names all in one directory so I can check >very fast if anyone is in any one of my elder families. All I need is >the correct name and b. date and wife if they have it and can check in a >matter of seconds without looking through 31 directories. > >I would like to have the rest of your family so I can keep up with the >William Elder famiy. >Thanks: >Lee >
Subject: [Elder-News]: Hannah Elder
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:23:52 -0500
Name of grandparent descended from Rev Ancestor: James Richard born abt. 1780, d. 1833....Hannah ELDER RICHARDS b. 1779, d. 1855, mar: 1809. Hannah ELDER RICHARDS was the child of Robert ELDER b. 1751, d. 1837, his wife Mary (WHITESIDE) ELDER b. abt. 1760 d. 1823, mar: 1778. Ref: Penn. Genealogies, Egle, Lancaster Co. Mary WHITESIDE ELDER was child of Thomas Whiteside, b. 1736, d. 1805, wife Jean (PORTER) WHITESIDE b. abt. 1738 died after 1805; mar: 1758. Jean (PORTER) WHITESIDE was child of James PORTER b. after 1717, d. 1786, his wife was Mary. Grandparents NSDAR-See Book No. 6, p. 52, 1970-1972 Ancestor's Service-Robert ELDER place of residence during the Revolution was Poxtang (Paxtang), Lancaster County.-Robert ELDER, pvt. 4th Battalion, Lancaster Co., Militia under Col. Burd. Capt. Cowan's Co. Batt. appraisement shows Robert ELDER to have suffered loss of guns. Penn. Archives Fifth Series, Vol. 7, page 352. Robert ELDER pvt. sustained loss of pouches and powder orn in appraisement of Capt. Murray's Co. 4th Batt. Commanded by Col. James Burd 1776, PA Archives 2nd series Vol 13 p. 312. Children: Hannah ELDER 1779 - Manes Richards; Thomas Elder 1781 - Mary McConnell. This was from Mrs. John Henry Elder. I think we have all read this. Ann
Subject: [Elder-News]: Mrs. John Henry ELDER searching for this family.
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:39:36 -0500
Mrs. John Henry ELDER is searching for her husbands family: Henry ELDER m. Sarah POWELL, born Oct 1851 James Henry ELDER born Oct. 1868, GA mar. Lula Henrietta Louvorn July 1870, GA. John Henry ELDER, Sr., 24 Sept 1905 died 11 Dec. 1972, GA mar: Myrtis ATCHESON b. 27 April 1908, GA. John Henry ELDER living. "This is the 1850 Tallapossa County, Alabama Census that I found which might be our Henry," 2007 Township 2 4 13th July 1851 William Elder...........36....M.....Farmer.....150.......GA Cynthia.....................28....F...................all born GA Benjamin F..............10...M. HENRY E..................6....M Julia...........................3....F "James HENRY ELDER who's father was also Henry was killed before James Henry was born the indians or by whites because he was helping the indians. Henry was raised by his mother Sarah POWELL ELDER and his grandmother Sarah HOGAN POWELL in Carroll Co., GA." Thank you, Ann
Subject: [Elder-News]: William Elder - Family b. 1685
From: "Lee M. Elder" <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 20:24:57 -0800
Hi Jim: I have the William Elder family starting with William Elder b. 1685 and wife Elizabeth Finch and have over 18,300 names in my directory. I have Roy Lee Shaw, Sr. and wife Dixie Roberta Elder with three children. Mary Elder Shaw and she has a daughter Karyn Shaw. I have Roy Lee Shaw, Jr. and no children, I have James Shaw with Faye and no children. I would like to have the rest of the family including your family. I don't have the father or mother of Roy Lee Shaw, Sr. I do have family for Dixie Roberta Elder I come from Peter Elder who came over in the 1650's with two brothers David and Daniel. I have over 25,200 in this family in my computer at this time. I have 31 different directories of Elder families in my computer that total 53,742 names all in one directory so I can check very fast if anyone is in any one of my elder families. All I need is the correct name and b. date and wife if they have it and can check in a matter of seconds without looking through 31 directories. I would like to have the rest of your family so I can keep up with the William Elder famiy. Thanks: Lee
Subject: [Elder-News]: William Elder
From: "Lee M. Elder" <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 20:31:29 -0800
Hi Bob and Diane: I have William Elder and Martha "Paatsy Moore in one of my direcories and have 95 names in this directory. I have been trying to tie this family into my family or one of the other big directories that I have but haven't been able to just yet.I have all of the children you mentioned in your letter but Robert. I don't have him in my files. If you want a copoy of what I have in this file I could send it to you in regular mail. Lee
Subject: [Elder-News]: Mrs. John Henry ELDER searching for this family.
From: MOMXFIVE@prodigy.com (MS LAUNA JEAN MAIKOWSKI)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:22:59, -0500
Ann, Got a "kick" out of this message. Remember I told you my 13
year old son is named John Henry.
I asked my John Henry when did he get married and you know how little
boys feel about getting married.
Launa
Subject: [Elder-News]: Mrs. John Henry ELDER searching for this family.
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:20:52 -0500
Oh Launa, I am so glad your son read the message, I am sure he was a bit confused, it is funny. Tell John Henry we have 200 years + named John Henry, Samuel Henry.........do you know anything about that particular family? She is a delightful lady but has not been able to move in a long time. Keep watching John Henry, your name will probably pop up again, Happy Valentine's Day to you and your Mother (and all the rest). Launa, I am still trying, getting no where for now. Their was a David Elder who was positively related to the Elder's in GA, I think he moved on I tried to work my way through some notes last night and realized it was just "stuff"........ Thanks for writing, it is nice to know someone has a smile, we all need a smile. Ann -----Original Message----- From: MS LAUNA JEAN MAIKOWSKI <MOMXFIVE@prodigy.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Sunday, February 08, 1998 8:34 AM Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message >Ann, Got a "kick" out of this message. Remember I told you my 13 >year old son is named John Henry. >I asked my John Henry when did he get married and you know how little >boys feel about getting married. > > Launa >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: William Elder
From: "Kenneth D. Elder" <kelder@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 18:23:38 -0600
Is the James M Elder the one that was born around 1821 in tenn..Seems that this was posted some time ago..He resided around Karnes city texas Ken rings At 12:09 PM 2/7/98 -0800, you wrote: >I have asked before, but with new subscribers maybe someone has some >information: >William 'Billy' Elder and his wife Martha 'Patsy' Moore left North >Carolina where they were wed in Randolph County on 5 August 1810. >Who were their parents? Siblings? >They moved to Overton County, Tennessee. They are both buried there in >the family cemetery on Rockey Ridge where they had their land. He died >in 1864 and she died after that. >They were parents of Robert, John, Allen, Salinda, Sarah, Margartet, >Manisa and James. Not in this order. I am sure that Robert is the >eldest and Manisa is the youngest. They were all born in Overton >County, Tennessee. >Robert migrated to Oregon, James to Texas, John stayed in Tennessee and >Allen went to Georgia and back to Tennessee. >Thanks for your help. Diane Elder elder@presys.com >
Subject: [Elder-News]: Previous Postings to Elder-News
From: Donna Logan <fanfare@intrepid.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:20:19 -0500
All of the previous postings to the Elder-News Sharing list through January 1998 have been posted to our Web Site: http://www.intrepid.net/genealogy/elder They are now implemented in frames to make navigating them easier and more convenient. - donna
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: William Elder
From: jpgolden@juno.com
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:20:24 -0500
Hi Diane, Is this the Allen W.(M) ELDER living in Marion County, Georgia in the 1870 Census with wife Elizabeth J. & children William E. and Anna M.? I have been wondering where he came from. He had Real property worth 1600 dollars and two farm hands living with him. I was pulling my hair out (not that I had much to pull) trying to find out where he came from and where he went. Thanks for the enlightment. Regards, Jim On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 12:09:25 -0800 Bob and Diane Elder <elder@presys.com> writes: >I have asked before, but with new subscribers maybe someone has some >information: >William 'Billy' Elder and his wife Martha 'Patsy' Moore left North >Carolina where they were wed in Randolph County on 5 August 1810. >Who were their parents? Siblings? >They moved to Overton County, Tennessee. They are both buried there >in >the family cemetery on Rockey Ridge where they had their land. He died >in 1864 and she died after that. >They were parents of Robert, John, Allen, Salinda, Sarah, Margartet, >Manisa and James. Not in this order. I am sure that Robert is the >eldest and Manisa is the youngest. They were all born in Overton >County, Tennessee. >Robert migrated to Oregon, James to Texas, John stayed in Tennessee >and >Allen went to Georgia and back to Tennessee. >Thanks for your help. Diane Elder elder@presys.com > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Subject: [Elder-News]: New Structure for the List
From: Donna Younkin Logan <mactech@intrepid.net>
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 00:07:47 -0500
Hi Folks This afternoon my boss re-structured the Elder-News Sharing List ..... now only members of the list will be allowed to post messages. This will help eliminate some of the garbage messages (spam) we've gotten in the past but it won't stop them all. Some of these jerks will still be able to post, but they will have to join to the list first, send their message, then get off. (Hopefully most will be too lazy to go to all this trouble!) What does this mean for the rest of us....... you will need to ALWAYS send your messages to the list from the EXACT address you subscribed with. If you aren't sure what that address was (I know some of you send messages from various addresses), please contact me at the "fanfare@intrepid.net" address and I will send you a list of the 128 email addresses on the list and you should recognize your email within the list. Thanks for your help with this ........ I think it will make things easier on us and our mailboxes. - donna (List Mom) ps ..... I am sending this via one of my work email address, please don't use this to contact me, send private email to: fanfare@intrepid.net
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: William Elder
From: Bob and Diane Elder <elder@presys.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:13:32 -0800
Jim. I promise I will send you what information I have n Allen Elder. That is the son of William and Martha---Billy and Patsy. He left GEo and moved back to Tennessee and is there buried. I have a photograph of his grave. It is not very good and the light was bad and the stone is very faint. It will probably be next weekend before I get this project done...have a demanding job during the week and come home exhausted every night. Thanks for your patience. Diane jpgolden@juno.com wrote: > > Hi Diane, > Is this the Allen W.(M) ELDER living in Marion County, Georgia in the > 1870 Census with wife Elizabeth J. & children William E. and Anna M.? I > have been wondering where he came from. He had Real property worth 1600 > dollars and two farm hands living with him. I was pulling my hair out > (not that I had much to pull) trying to find out where he came from and > where he went. > > Thanks for the enlightment. > > Regards, > Jim > > On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 12:09:25 -0800 Bob and Diane Elder <elder@presys.com> > writes: > >I have asked before, but with new subscribers maybe someone has some > >information: > >William 'Billy' Elder and his wife Martha 'Patsy' Moore left North > >Carolina where they were wed in Randolph County on 5 August 1810. > >Who were their parents? Siblings? > >They moved to Overton County, Tennessee. They are both buried there > >in > >the family cemetery on Rockey Ridge where they had their land. He died > >in 1864 and she died after that. > >They were parents of Robert, John, Allen, Salinda, Sarah, Margartet, > >Manisa and James. Not in this order. I am sure that Robert is the > >eldest and Manisa is the youngest. They were all born in Overton > >County, Tennessee. > >Robert migrated to Oregon, James to Texas, John stayed in Tennessee > >and > >Allen went to Georgia and back to Tennessee. > >Thanks for your help. Diane Elder elder@presys.com > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Subject: [Elder-News]: New Webb Page Addition
From: Dan Elder <dan.elder@fbcvidalia.org>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:47:57 -0500
Hi folks, Dan Elder here, of the Grayson County, KY, clan. Donna has recently posted a summary of the Grayson County clan history on the Elder Family home page. You'll find the new link under the 'pictures' header. If you'd rather go direct this, URL is: http://www.intrepid.net/genealogy/elder/grayson/ I hope it may help someone. Perhaps one of you could also help me if you recognize the pioneers at the beginning of the story. I'm still trying to make the family connection back to PA before 1798. I would love to hear from anyone who has a solid lead or a good hunch. In the meantime, I hope others will enjoy reading another piece of the fsmily puzzle. Thanks. :-) - Dan Elder -Reply: dan.elder@fbcvidalia.org
Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959
From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:04:41 -0800
Hi Elder Folk!
I am looking for information regarding Rebecca N. ELDER.
She was born on 10 Jan 1866, possibly in Tennessee. She
married Andy E. SHRADER. He was born 11 Jan 1863 in TN.
They had a son, Walter SHRADER, born 5 April 1889 in
Chattanooga, TN. Rebecca later died on 15 Dec 1959 in
Ft.Worth, Texas and was later buried in Milford, Ellis
County, TX.
If anybody fixes me up with her ancestors I'll take you out
for Steak! How's that sound?
Robert
-------------------------------
Robert L. Williams KC7BUM
---Veteran of operation Just Cause
Republic of Panama 1989
Heather Williams
Bryce LeGrand Williams
Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams
Ashland, Oregon
will7370@tao.sou.edu
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959
From: "Lee M. Elder" <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:41:22 -0800
Rob & Heather Williams wrote: > > Hi Elder Folk! > I am looking for information regarding Rebecca N. ELDER. > She was born on 10 Jan 1866, possibly in Tennessee. She > married Andy E. SHRADER. He was born 11 Jan 1863 in TN. > They had a son, Walter SHRADER, born 5 April 1889 in > Chattanooga, TN. Rebecca later died on 15 Dec 1959 in > Ft.Worth, Texas and was later buried in Milford, Ellis > County, TX. > If anybody fixes me up with her ancestors I'll take you out > for Steak! How's that sound? > > Robert > ------------------------------- > Robert L. Williams KC7BUM > ---Veteran of operation Just Cause > Republic of Panama 1989 > Heather Williams > Bryce LeGrand Williams > Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams > Ashland, Oregon > will7370@tao.sou.edu Hi Bob: I have William Elder b. 1783 married to Rebecca Cate and they had 8 children. the third child was Charles Elder b. 1807 c. 1871 and his wife was Elizabeth Underwood and they had 6 children and she died. Then he married Mrs. Rachel N. (Bryan) Keener and they had two children and they were Charles Thomas Elder b. 1866 and Rebecca N. Elder b. 1866. I don't have anything on Rebecca but I do know that her parents died and she and Thomas were raised by her older sister Nancy. I have this family back to the 1650's to Pete Elder. Send me the family of Rebecca N. Elder on down to your family and I will make a page and add it to my new book. If you want one of my books I have over 23,000 names in the book and it sells for $35.00 postpaid. Let me know. Lee
Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER, Ruth; MD 1800s
From: Janice Devan <jandevan@cdt.infi.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:17:17 -0500
Does anyone have information on RUTH ELDER from Baltimore County, MD? The only date I have for her is her marriage 25 November 1822 to Benjamin F. FORRESTER. They had a daughter Kate Forrester. We don't know who Ruth's parents were, siblings, or other children. Any help is greatly appreciated! Janice Devan Lemont, PA
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959
From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:36:23 -0800
Lee M. Elder wrote:
> Send me the family of Rebecca N. Elder on down to your family and I will
> make a page and add it to my new book.
Here is something I just got today on this line. Let me know how it merges
with your stuff:
DESCENDANTS OF RACHEL NARSISUS BRYAN
(1) Rachel Narsisus Bryan, was born 10 May 1825 in Dumplin Valley, Sevier
Co., TN, and married about 1845 in Sevier Co., TN, (2) George Keener, son of
George T. Keener, who was born about 1824 in Tennessee. Rachel Narsisus
died 16 Dec 1875 in Jefferson Co., Tennessee. George died about 1861 in
Sevier Co., TN.
Notes for Rachel Narsisus Bryan:
BIRTH & DEATH: From Bible Records. (From Ann Poe, Florida)
1850 Sevier County Census,NA 432-895, Pg. 455, Family 974, George Keener 26,
Rachel 25, John 4, Margaret 2, and Nancy 1.
1860 Sevier County TN census Rachel N. Keener is living at home with her
parents Thomas & Nancy (Cate) Bryan, Henry's Cross roads: Narsissus Keener
33, widow, John 13, Caroline 12, Nancy 10 and George 8.
Rachel and Charles Elder's marriage given in Sevier Co., TN Marriages, there
is no date or no return, however, they are listed between Oct 9 and Oct
14th. Rachel was the widow of George Keener & listed as Rachel N. Keener.
4 Mar 1867 Will of Thomas Bryan, gives his daughter Rachel N. Elder $100 and
each of her 2 daughters Caroline Manard and Nancy Laymon $50, and George A.
Keener $100. (Rachel's son John Keener died 4 Jul 1865 so is not named.)
1870 Jefferson Co. TN Census NA 593-1540, 7 Sep, Dist. 17, New Market, Pg.
549, Family 44, Charles Elder 63, Rachel Elder 46 , Charles 7, Rebecca 4.
BURIAL: Dumplin Valley Cemetery, Sevier County, TN.
Notes for George Keener:
DEATH: George probably died after 1852 when the youngest son George Jr. was
born.
Children:
3+ John Keener b.c 1847 d. 4 Jul 1865
4+ Margaret Caroline Elizabeth Keener
b. 29 Feb 1848 d. 13 Mar 1879
5+ Nancy Keener b.c 1849
6+ George Keener b. 29 Apr 1851
She also married about 9 Oct 1862 in Sevier Co., Tennessee, (7) Charles
Elder. Charles died 6 Dec 1871 in Jefferson Co., TN.
Children:
8+ Charles Thomas Elder b. 27 Jul 1863 d.c 1936
9+ Rebecca Narissus Elder b. 10 Jan 1866
(3) John Keener, (Rachel Bryan) was born about 1847 in Sevier Co., TN. John
died 4 Jul 1865.
Notes for John Keener:
DEATH: Bible Record (From Ann Poe, FL)
(4) Margaret Caroline Elizabeth Keener, (Rachel Bryan) was born 29 Feb 1848
in Jefferson Co., TN, and married 18 Jan 1866 in Jefferson Co., TN, (10)
James Carson Maynard, son of Shadrack Manard and Elizabeth French, who was
born 14 Nov 1842 in Jefferson Co., TN. Margaret Caroline Elizabeth died 13
Mar 1879 in Bowers Hill, MO. James Carson died 1 Nov 1921 in Mt. Vernon,
Lawrence Co., MO. James Carson was also married to Mary Frances Young and
Amanda Jane Bailey.
Notes for Margaret Caroline Elizabeth Keener:
SOURCE: Al Baumbach, Illinois and John Maynard, Australia.
BIRTH: Bible record (From Ann Poe, FL)
James' 1st Marriage - "Early East TN marriages - Vol. 1, Grooms, By Sistler.
James was in the Union Army at Camp Nelson, TN August 15, 1863 and served
with Company C, 9th Cavalry. He mustered out as a Sergeant at Knoxville, TN
on September 1865.
Caroline Manard give $50 in her grandfather Thomas bryan's 4 Mar 1867 will.
1870 Jefferson Co. TN Census, NA M593-1540, 9 Jun, Pg. 308, family 174,
James C. Maynard 27, Margaret E. 22, George R. 3, and Nancy E. P. 1. (James
is living next door to his father.)
BURIAL: James buried Odd Fellows Cemetery Cemetery, Mt. Vernon, Lawrence
Co., MO.
Notes for James Carson Maynard:
Children:
11+ Sally Maynard
12+ George Rufus Maynard b. 6 Nov 1866 d. 31 Aug 1945
13+ Nancy Elizabeth Porter Maynard
b. 13 Feb 1869 d. 6 Aug 1940
14+ John Lafayette Maynard b. 25 Mar 1871 d. 26 Nov 1944
15+ Narcisis Maynard b. 24 Jul 1872 d. 12 Aug 1872
16+ Milton Monroe Maynard b. 19 Aug 1874 d. 15 Oct 1952
(5) Nancy Keener, (Rachel Bryan) was born about 1849 in Sevier Co., TN, and
married before 1867 in Tennessee, (17) J. N. Layman.
Notes for Nancy Keener:
Nancy Layman was given $50 in her grandfather's 4 March 1867 Will.
Nancy and her husband settled in Decatur, Alabama.
(6) George Keener, (Rachel Bryan) was born 29 Apr 1851 in Sevier Co., TN.
Notes for George Keener:
BIRTH: Bible record (From Ann Poe, FL)
4 Mar 1867, George given $100 in his grandfather Thomas Bryan's Will.
(8) Charles Thomas Elder, (Rachel Bryan) was born 27 Jul 1863 in Tennessee,
and married 1 Mar 1888 in Alabama, (18) Fannie M. Beardwere. Charles Thomas
died about 1936.
Notes for Charles Thomas Elder:
Birth: Family bible (From Ann Poe)
Charles Thomas Elder left Jefferson County, TN when he was about 16,
according to his grandson. He walked all the way to Decatur, Alabama where
he lived for several years with "Old Doc Layman and his Family", this would
have been his half sister Nancy Keener that married J. N. Layman. Charles
was known as C. T. Elder, he moved to Madison County, Alabama, had a farm,
married Fannie M. Beardwere, March 1, 1888 and my understanding is they had
one and no more than two children. His grandson does remember his granfather
C. T. Thomas well. (From Ann Poe, FL.)
Children:
19+ Olla Thomas Elder
(9) Rebecca Narissus Elder, (Rachel Bryan) was born 10 Jan 1866 in Jefferson
Co., TN, and married in Tennessee, (20) Andrew Edward Shrader, son of George
Washington Shrader and Polly Patterson, who was born 11 Jan 1863 in Sevier
Co., TN.
Notes for Rebecca Narissus Elder:
Rebecca & Andrew had several children, two born in Tennessee, they removed
to Alabama for a short time and on to Texas.
Notes for Andrew Edward Shrader:
Andrew is age 6 on the 1870 Sevier Co. TN Census with his parents.
Children:
21+ Walter Shrader b. 5 Apr 1889
(11) Sally Maynard, (Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was born in Jefferson
Co., TN. Sally died in Mt. Vernon, Lawrence Co., MO.
Notes for Sally Maynard:
Sally died an infant.
BURIAL: Odd Fellows Cemetery, Mt. Vernon, Lawrence Co. Missouri.
(12) George Rufus Maynard, (Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was born 6 Nov
1866 in Jefferson Co., TN, and married 5 Oct 1892 in Miller, Lawrence Co.,
MO, (22) Fannie E. Anderson. George Rufus died 31 Aug 1945 in Garber,
Garfield Co., OK.
Notes for George Rufus Maynard:
George went to Garfield Co. OK and took a homestead.
George & Fannie had 5 children: Pearl, Bertha, Lola, Loye & Thomas.
BURIAL: Garber Cemetery, Garfield Co. Oklahoma.
Children:
23+ Pearl Rose Maynard b. 23 Oct 1892 d. 23 Feb 1969
24+ Loye Leroy Maynard b. 19 Aug 1895 d. 14 Feb 1972
25+ Thomas Carson Maynard b. 18 Aug 1897 d. 30 Nov 1976
26+ Bertha Maynard b. 24 Sep 1899 d. 17 Nov 1990
27+ Lola Maynard b. 11 Mar 1901 d. 20 Jul 1974
He also married 17 Mar 1937 in Okmulgee, Okmulgee Co., OK, (28) Rose.
Notes for Rose:
Rose was the widow of an Mr. Van Zant.
(13) Nancy Elizabeth Porter Maynard, (Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was
born 13 Feb 1869 in Jefferson Co., TN, and married 5 Mar 1890 in Phelps,
Lawrence Co., MO, (29) Peter B. Reese. Nancy Elizabeth Porter died 6 Aug
1940 in Hugoton, Stevens Co., KS.
Notes for Nancy Elizabeth Porter Maynard:
Nancy & Jim settled in Texas County, OK, Jim was the editor of the Tyrone
Observer in Tyrone, Oklahoma.
Nancy & Peter had 8 children: Essie Kate, Cline Maynard, Homer Milton,
Callie Bell, Guy Dawson, Sterling Ivery, George Gratten 'Grat' & Thelma
Layman Reese.
BURIAL: Tyrone Cemetery, Tyrone, Oklahoma.
(14) John Lafayette Maynard, (Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was born 25 Mar
1871 in Jefferson Co., TN, and married 30 Jun 1897 in Mt. Vernon, Lawrence
Co., MO, (30) Julia B. Harris. John Lafayette died 26 Nov 1944 in Okmulgee,
Okmulgee Co., OK.
Notes for John Lafayette Maynard:
John became a teacher and later studied law and settled in Okmulgee, OK.
John & Julia had one child Nova Joy who died at birth
John served one term in the lower house of the Missouri legislature.
(15) Narcisis Maynard, (Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was born 24 Jul 1872
in Lawrence Co., MO. Narcisis died 12 Aug 1872 in Lawrence Co., MO.
Notes for Narcisis Maynard:
Narcisis died young.
(16) Milton Monroe Maynard, (Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was born 19 Aug
1874 in Phelps, Lawrence Co., MO, and married 26 Aug 1908 in Muskogee,
Muskogee Co., OK, (31) Elsie Genevieve Kirby who was born 4 Mar 1880 in
Howard, KS. Milton Monroe died 15 Oct 1952 in Monmouth, Warren Co., IL.
Elsie Genevieve died 22 Aug 1919 in Monmouth, Warren Co., IL.
Notes for Milton Monroe Maynard:
Milton went to Garfield co. OK and became a teacher and spent the last 20
years of his life as an English teacher at Monmouth College in Illinois.
Milton & Genevieve had 3 children: Helen, Dorothy and Dr. Russell Maynard.
BURIAL: Both Milton & Genevieve buried Monmouth Cemetery, Monmouth, Warren
County, Illinois.
He also married 8 Jun 1938 in Webster City, Hamilton Co., IA, (32) June
Taylor.
(19) Olla Thomas Elder, (Charles, Rachel Bryan) was born in Alabama.
(21) Walter Shrader, (Rebecca Elder, Rachel Bryan) was born 5 Apr 1889 in
Chattanooga, Hamilton Co., TN.
(23) Pearl Rose Maynard, (George, Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was born 23
Oct 1892. Pearl Rose died 23 Feb 1969 in Gerber, Garfield Co., OK.
(24) Loye Leroy Maynard, (George, Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was born 19
Aug 1895 in near Miller, Lawrence Co., MO. Loye Leroy died 14 Feb 1972 in
Enid, Garfield Co., OK.
Notes for Loye Leroy Maynard:
BURIAL: Garber Cemetery, Garber, Garfield co. OK.
(25) Thomas Carson Maynard, (George, Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was born
18 Aug 1897 and married 1 Dec 1931 in San Antonio, Bexar Co., TX, (33) Ruth
Olivia Ruberg, daughter of Otto Ruberg and Isabelle Anderson, who was born
23 Dec 1910 in Brooten, Sterns Co., MN. Thomas Carson died 30 Nov 1976 in
Salem, Marion Co., OR.
Notes for Thomas Carson Maynard:
SOURCE: John R. Maynard, Australia
(26) Bertha Maynard, (George, Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was born 24 Sep
1899 and married (34) Homer Elton Dale. Bertha died 17 Nov 1990.
(27) Lola Maynard, (George, Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was born 11 Mar
1901 in Garber, Garfield Co., OK, and married 1918, (35) Milton Earl
Stroup. Lola died 20 Jul 1974 in Enid, Garfield Co., OK.
**************************************************
As for my personal descent from Rebecca ELDER, here goes:
1- Andrew E. SHRADER, born 11 Jan 1863 in Tennessee and died 4 May 1950 in
Milford, TX.
sp: Rebecca N. ELDER, born 10 Jan 1866
2- Walter SHRADER, born 5 April 1889 in Chattanooga, TN. Died 9
Feb 1973 in Italy, TX.
sp: Eunice HALL, born 1 Nov 1891 in Birmingham, AL. Died 15
Feb 1975 in Bell Gardens, Los Angeles County, CA.
3- Ruby Lee SHRADER, born 2 Nov 1911 in Milford, Ellis
County, TX. Died Feb 1996 in Grants Pass, Josephine County, Oregon
sp: Lonnie Lee Louis WILLIAMS (15 Aug 1909 - LIVING)
5-Robert Lee WILLIAMS Sr. (8 Oct 1931 - LIVING)
sp: Marbine HOLIFIELD (2 Jul 1933 - LIVING)
6-Robert Lee WILLIAMS Jr. (29 Jul 1962
- LIVING) *This
is me*
sp: Heather Anne MOORE (29 Nov 1969
- LIVING)
7-Bryce LeGrand WILLIAMS (4
Sep 1995 - LIVING)
7-Kjersten Chase Noelle
WILLIAMS (18 Dec 1996 -
LIVING)
There you go!
Robert
-------------------------------
Robert L. Williams KC7BUM
---Veteran of operation Just Cause
Republic of Panama 1989
Heather Williams
Bryce LeGrand Williams
Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams
Ashland, Oregon
will7370@tao.sou.edu
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDERS
From: "Kenneth D. Elder" <kelder@mindspring.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:42:30 -0600
I talked to the Clyde Elder below several years ago. He lives near North Farnham Parish in VA where William origianlly settled. does anyone know the ncestry of Harrison J. Elder for certain. 1 Harrison J. ELDER Abt 1797 - b: Abt 1797 in VA. . +Nancy A. COLLIER Abt 1801 - b: Abt 1801 ........ 2 John B. ELDER Abt 1828 - b: Abt 1828 in VA. ........ 2 Edward M. ELDER Abt 1829 - b: Abt 1829 in VA. ........ 2 Jane W. ELDER Abt 1831 - b: Abt 1831 in VA. ........ 2 Mary A. ELDER Abt 1833 - b: Abt 1833 in VA. ........ 2 Martha C. ELDER Abt 1836 - b: Abt 1836 in VA. ........ 2 Albert H. ELDER Abt 1838 - b: Abt 1838 in Lunenburg Co. ............ +Bertie ELDER Abt 1843 - b: Abt 1843 ................... 3 Bessie ELDER Abt 1867 -b: Abt 1867 in Lunenburg VA. ................... 3 Joseph ELDER Abt 1868 -b: Abt 1868 in Lunenburg VA. ................... 3 Johnnie ELDER Abt 1870 -b: Abt 1870 in Lunenburg VA. ................... 3 Plasour ELDER Abt 1873 -b: Abt 1873 in Lunenburg VA. ................... 3 Thomas Rendison ELDER 1875 - 1942 b: May 03, 1875 in Lunenburg Co., VA. d: September 20, 1942 in UNK Age at death: 67 ....................... +Mrs. Thomas R. ELDER .............................. 4 Albert Flournoy ELDER 1907 - 1933 b: March 22, 1907 d: November 27, 1933 Age at death: 26 .............................. 4 Virginius Allen ELDER 1912 - 1968 b: February 25, 1912 d: December 31, 1968 Age at death: 56 .............................. 4 Clifton Harrison ELDER 1915 - 1979 b: March 14, 1915 d: October 30, 1979 Age at death: 64 Clifton Harrison ELDER .............................. 4 Clyde Daniel ELDER 1922 - b: February 16, 1922 in Kenbridge VA. ................... 3 Lina ELDER Abt 1879 - b: Abt 1879 in Lunenburg VA. ........ 2 Joseph A? ELDER Abt 1841 - b: Abt 1841 in VA. Ken Elder Coppell, Texas
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:01:22 -0500
Hi Robert, this will be short, it is late, I am tired and have to go to work in the morning. Rebecca Narcissus Elder was the second wife of my g-g-g-grandfather, Charles Elder. She was the widow of George Keener, the dau. of Thomas Bryan and wife Nancy Cate, they had two children Charles Thomas and Rebecca Narcissus Elder. Charles Thomas was named for his father and grandfahter. Rebecca seems to have the name of Charles Elder's mother, Rebecca (Cates) Elder wife of William Elder. Both went to Madison Co AL, both were married in Madison Co Al. I think I have the Shrader children but that is not easy to find at this time, perhaps I can grab it this weekend. Both the great granddaughter and great grandson of Charles and Rebecca are living, one in Huntsville Al the other in CA. I do have photos of Charles Thomas and one of Rebecca and "Andy" Shrader, I think I have given the photo's away but have the negatives put up. I had photo. negs. made from the old pictures a few years ago. Will try to get to this, I am on another "hunt" at the moment. Rachel has another descendant in Huntsville, last name is Norwood, Frances Norwood. I helped her when she had a query in the ETHS or Smoky Mountian News. The last address I have on her was Dec. 1988, how long has this gone on???? If you will contact me I will send you her address. Ann elderbrooks@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu> To: Elder Email Group <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 11:58 PM Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959 >Hi Elder Folk! >I am looking for information regarding Rebecca N. ELDER. >She was born on 10 Jan 1866, possibly in Tennessee. She >married Andy E. SHRADER. He was born 11 Jan 1863 in TN. >They had a son, Walter SHRADER, born 5 April 1889 in >Chattanooga, TN. Rebecca later died on 15 Dec 1959 in >Ft.Worth, Texas and was later buried in Milford, Ellis >County, TX. >If anybody fixes me up with her ancestors I'll take you out >for Steak! How's that sound? > >Robert >------------------------------- >Robert L. Williams KC7BUM > ---Veteran of operation Just Cause > Republic of Panama 1989 >Heather Williams >Bryce LeGrand Williams >Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams >Ashland, Oregon >will7370@tao.sou.edu > > >
Subject: [Elder-News]: Re:Your book
From: basset@juno.com (marjorie l thomas)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:01:21 EST
Hi Lee, I would like to order your book. Is this the new one you mentioned some time ago? Did you add what I sent you from me to John Levi ELDER? If yes please send me your snail mail address so I can send you the cash. Thanks, Marjorie DAWSON THOMAS Battle Ground, Washington _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Re:Your book
From: "Lee M. Elder" <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:54:57 -0800
marjorie l thomas wrote:
>
> Hi Lee,
>
> I would like to order your book. Is this the new one you mentioned some
> time ago? Did you add what I sent you
> from me to John Levi ELDER? If yes please send me
> your snail mail address so I can send you the cash.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marjorie DAWSON THOMAS
> Battle Ground, Washington
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com
> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Hi Marjorie:
Yes I have put everything in that you sent.
I printed the book on Dec. 30. Thanks.
My address: Lee M. Elder
1636 Utah Avenue
San Angelo, Tx. 76904-7147
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959
From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:13:50 -0800
Hey! Thanks for writing. Yes, we are connected. No hurry. I'll file your
name and put a little bug in your ear from time to time. I have some old
Shrader photos scanned into my computer. If you know how to bring them up on
the screen, I can email them to you.
Robert
elderbrooks wrote:
> Hi Robert, this will be short, it is late, I am tired and have to go to work
> in the morning. Rebecca Narcissus Elder was the second wife of my
> g-g-g-grandfather, Charles Elder. She was the widow of George Keener, the
> dau. of Thomas Bryan and wife Nancy Cate, they had two children Charles
> Thomas and Rebecca Narcissus Elder. Charles Thomas was named for his father
> and grandfahter. Rebecca seems to have the name of Charles Elder's mother,
> Rebecca (Cates) Elder wife of William Elder. Both went to Madison Co AL,
> both were married in Madison Co Al. I think I have the Shrader children but
> that is not easy to find at this time, perhaps I can grab it this weekend.
> Both the great granddaughter and great grandson of Charles and Rebecca are
> living, one in Huntsville Al the other in CA. I do have photos of Charles
> Thomas and one of Rebecca and "Andy" Shrader, I think I have given the
> photo's away but have the negatives put up. I had photo. negs. made from
> the old pictures a few years ago. Will try to get to this, I am on another
> "hunt" at the moment. Rachel has another descendant in Huntsville, last
> name is Norwood, Frances Norwood. I helped her when she had a query in the
> ETHS or Smoky Mountian News. The last address I have on her was Dec. 1988,
> how long has this gone on???? If you will contact me I will send you her
> address.
>
> Ann elderbrooks@msn.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu>
> To: Elder Email Group <elder-news@intrepid.net>
> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 11:58 PM
> Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959
>
> >Hi Elder Folk!
> >I am looking for information regarding Rebecca N. ELDER.
> >She was born on 10 Jan 1866, possibly in Tennessee. She
> >married Andy E. SHRADER. He was born 11 Jan 1863 in TN.
> >They had a son, Walter SHRADER, born 5 April 1889 in
> >Chattanooga, TN. Rebecca later died on 15 Dec 1959 in
> >Ft.Worth, Texas and was later buried in Milford, Ellis
> >County, TX.
> >If anybody fixes me up with her ancestors I'll take you out
> >for Steak! How's that sound?
> >
> >Robert
> >-------------------------------
> >Robert L. Williams KC7BUM
> > ---Veteran of operation Just Cause
> > Republic of Panama 1989
> >Heather Williams
> >Bryce LeGrand Williams
> >Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams
> >Ashland, Oregon
> >will7370@tao.sou.edu
> >
> >
> >
--
-------------------------------
Robert L. Williams KC7BUM
---Veteran of operation Just Cause
Republic of Panama 1989
Heather Williams
Bryce LeGrand Williams
Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams
Ashland, Oregon
will7370@tao.sou.edu
Subject: [Elder-News]: [Fwd: William Elder]
From: Bob and Diane Elder <elder@presys.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:57:13 -0800
Whoops, I sent this just to Donna and not the list, Sorry. Diane Message-ID: <34E2708B.76EC@presys.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:46:19 -0800 From: Bob and Diane Elder <elder@presys.com> Reply-To: elder@presys.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fanfare@intrepid.net Subject: William Elder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lee, you sent me this once before. Some of this information is from information that the late Kendrick Elder and/or I gave you previously. You state that Martha (Patsy) was married with 3 daughters before she married William (Billy). They were married 5 August 1810. The 1850 census gives their ages as Billy age 66 and Patsy age 55 or 66--it is hard to read. 1860 census gives Billy as age 77 and Patsy as age 67. The 1860 census suggests her birth year as 1793. That made her getting married at age 13. I don't think she could have had 3 daughters before then. The 1840 census also suggests that Patsy was born about 1793. However the 1830 census has her 10 years older. Since all but the 1830 census lead me to believe her birth was ca 1793, I think that the census taker, for that year, just checked the wrong box. Where did you get the information that Martha/Patsy was married before and who were the daughters that she brought into this marriage? Thanks, Diane Elder elder@presys.com
Subject: [Elder-News]: subtraction
From: Bob and Diane Elder <elder@presys.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:42:31 -0800
Hi! Looks like I cannot either subtract or hit the correct keys!!! Martha/Patsy born ca 1793 was ca 17 in 1810, not 13-----Diane
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:20:10 -0500
Hi, I am having trouble with my internet connection, was this letter received? Thanks Ann 2/12/98 6:21 (or about) -----Original Message----- From: elderbrooks <elderbrooks@msn.com> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959 >Hi to all, I have one for Robert L. Williams about Rachel N. (Bryan) Keener >who married (2) Charles Elder whose (1) was Elizabeth Underwood. I have the >will of Thomas Bryan, in his will he mentions his dau. Rachel ELDER, her two >dau's. and one son. If you would like a copy of the will sent me your snail >mail. This will names all of his children and wives. The Bryans were >witnesses to the will of Samuel Elder who died in Sevier Co TN, they >withdrew as executors and I do not know why. But I wonder if Samuel's wife >was Hannah BRYAN ELDER??? O.K. it follows the pattern of the older wills. >Thomas Bryan's will 1867 signed by Thomas Bryan, Signed in the presence of >Perry Cate, Thomas Drennin (not a Cate or Bryan) and Elisha P. (Porter) >CATE. You will please note on this will: "A true copy from the original >signed by the Sevier County Clerk of the Court." >(Will Bk. 1, p. 109, Sevier Co., TN.) If you would like a copy I have two or >three I made today. > >If you want the address of the lady in AL whose ancestor is Rachel N. >(Bryan) Keener ELDER please contact me at my address. Ann >ellderbrooks@msn.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu> >To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> >Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 12:28 AM >Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959 > > >>Hey! Thanks for writing. Yes, we are connected. No hurry. I'll file >your >>name and put a little bug in your ear from time to time. I have some old >>Shrader photos scanned into my computer. If you know how to bring them up >on >>the screen, I can email them to you. >> >>Robert >> >>elderbrooks wrote: >> >>> Hi Robert, this will be short, it is late, I am tired and have to go to >work >>> in the morning. Rebecca Narcissus Elder was the second wife of my >>> g-g-g-grandfather, Charles Elder. She was the widow of George Keener, the >>> dau. of Thomas Bryan and wife Nancy Cate, they had two children Charles >>> Thomas and Rebecca Narcissus Elder. Charles Thomas was named for his >father >>> and grandfahter. Rebecca seems to have the name of Charles Elder's >mother, >>> Rebecca (Cates) Elder wife of William Elder. Both went to Madison Co AL, >>> both were married in Madison Co Al. I think I have the Shrader children >but >>> that is not easy to find at this time, perhaps I can grab it this >weekend. >>> Both the great granddaughter and great grandson of Charles and Rebecca >are >>> living, one in Huntsville Al the other in CA. I do have photos of Charles >>> Thomas and one of Rebecca and "Andy" Shrader, I think I have given the >>> photo's away but have the negatives put up. I had photo. negs. made from >>> the old pictures a few years ago. Will try to get to this, I am on >another >>> "hunt" at the moment. Rachel has another descendant in Huntsville, last >>> name is Norwood, Frances Norwood. I helped her when she had a query in >the >>> ETHS or Smoky Mountian News. The last address I have on her was Dec. >1988, >>> how long has this gone on???? If you will contact me I will send you her >>> address. >>> >>> Ann elderbrooks@msn.com >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu> >>> To: Elder Email Group <elder-news@intrepid.net> >>> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 11:58 PM >>> Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959 >>> >>> >Hi Elder Folk! >>> >I am looking for information regarding Rebecca N. ELDER. >>> >She was born on 10 Jan 1866, possibly in Tennessee. She >>> >married Andy E. SHRADER. He was born 11 Jan 1863 in TN. >>> >They had a son, Walter SHRADER, born 5 April 1889 in >>> >Chattanooga, TN. Rebecca later died on 15 Dec 1959 in >>> >Ft.Worth, Texas and was later buried in Milford, Ellis >>> >County, TX. >>> >If anybody fixes me up with her ancestors I'll take you out >>> >for Steak! How's that sound? >>> > >>> >Robert >>> >------------------------------- >>> >Robert L. Williams KC7BUM >>> > ---Veteran of operation Just Cause >>> > Republic of Panama 1989 >>> >Heather Williams >>> >Bryce LeGrand Williams >>> >Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams >>> >Ashland, Oregon >>> >will7370@tao.sou.edu >>> > >>> > >>> > >> >> >> >>-- >>------------------------------- >>Robert L. Williams KC7BUM >> ---Veteran of operation Just Cause >> Republic of Panama 1989 >>Heather Williams >>Bryce LeGrand Williams >>Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams >>Ashland, Oregon >>will7370@tao.sou.edu >> >> >> > >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:09:23 -0500
Hi to all, I have one for Robert L. Williams about Rachel N. (Bryan) Keener who married (2) Charles Elder whose (1) was Elizabeth Underwood. I have the will of Thomas Bryan, in his will he mentions his dau. Rachel ELDER, her two dau's. and one son. If you would like a copy of the will sent me your snail mail. This will names all of his children and wives. The Bryans were witnesses to the will of Samuel Elder who died in Sevier Co TN, they withdrew as executors and I do not know why. But I wonder if Samuel's wife was Hannah BRYAN ELDER??? O.K. it follows the pattern of the older wills. Thomas Bryan's will 1867 signed by Thomas Bryan, Signed in the presence of Perry Cate, Thomas Drennin (not a Cate or Bryan) and Elisha P. (Porter) CATE. You will please note on this will: "A true copy from the original signed by the Sevier County Clerk of the Court." (Will Bk. 1, p. 109, Sevier Co., TN.) If you would like a copy I have two or three I made today. If you want the address of the lady in AL whose ancestor is Rachel N. (Bryan) Keener ELDER please contact me at my address. Ann ellderbrooks@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959 >Hey! Thanks for writing. Yes, we are connected. No hurry. I'll file your >name and put a little bug in your ear from time to time. I have some old >Shrader photos scanned into my computer. If you know how to bring them up on >the screen, I can email them to you. > >Robert > >elderbrooks wrote: > >> Hi Robert, this will be short, it is late, I am tired and have to go to work >> in the morning. Rebecca Narcissus Elder was the second wife of my >> g-g-g-grandfather, Charles Elder. She was the widow of George Keener, the >> dau. of Thomas Bryan and wife Nancy Cate, they had two children Charles >> Thomas and Rebecca Narcissus Elder. Charles Thomas was named for his father >> and grandfahter. Rebecca seems to have the name of Charles Elder's mother, >> Rebecca (Cates) Elder wife of William Elder. Both went to Madison Co AL, >> both were married in Madison Co Al. I think I have the Shrader children but >> that is not easy to find at this time, perhaps I can grab it this weekend. >> Both the great granddaughter and great grandson of Charles and Rebecca are >> living, one in Huntsville Al the other in CA. I do have photos of Charles >> Thomas and one of Rebecca and "Andy" Shrader, I think I have given the >> photo's away but have the negatives put up. I had photo. negs. made from >> the old pictures a few years ago. Will try to get to this, I am on another >> "hunt" at the moment. Rachel has another descendant in Huntsville, last >> name is Norwood, Frances Norwood. I helped her when she had a query in the >> ETHS or Smoky Mountian News. The last address I have on her was Dec. 1988, >> how long has this gone on???? If you will contact me I will send you her >> address. >> >> Ann elderbrooks@msn.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu> >> To: Elder Email Group <elder-news@intrepid.net> >> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 11:58 PM >> Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959 >> >> >Hi Elder Folk! >> >I am looking for information regarding Rebecca N. ELDER. >> >She was born on 10 Jan 1866, possibly in Tennessee. She >> >married Andy E. SHRADER. He was born 11 Jan 1863 in TN. >> >They had a son, Walter SHRADER, born 5 April 1889 in >> >Chattanooga, TN. Rebecca later died on 15 Dec 1959 in >> >Ft.Worth, Texas and was later buried in Milford, Ellis >> >County, TX. >> >If anybody fixes me up with her ancestors I'll take you out >> >for Steak! How's that sound? >> > >> >Robert >> >------------------------------- >> >Robert L. Williams KC7BUM >> > ---Veteran of operation Just Cause >> > Republic of Panama 1989 >> >Heather Williams >> >Bryce LeGrand Williams >> >Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams >> >Ashland, Oregon >> >will7370@tao.sou.edu >> > >> > >> > > > > >-- >------------------------------- >Robert L. Williams KC7BUM > ---Veteran of operation Just Cause > Republic of Panama 1989 >Heather Williams >Bryce LeGrand Williams >Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams >Ashland, Oregon >will7370@tao.sou.edu > > >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:24:48 -0500
I'm back, Rob do you and Heather know where Rachel N. (Bryan) Keener Elder is buried, let me know, I think we got off of her name and hit Rebecca. No your talking about Rebecca N. Elder the dau. of Rachel and Charles Elder. Sorry. It is easy to get confused this time of day. I've only been home a little while and the traffic is a horror. Ann -----Original Message----- From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu> To: Elder Email Group <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 11:58 PM Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959 >Hi Elder Folk! >I am looking for information regarding Rebecca N. ELDER. >She was born on 10 Jan 1866, possibly in Tennessee. She >married Andy E. SHRADER. He was born 11 Jan 1863 in TN. >They had a son, Walter SHRADER, born 5 April 1889 in >Chattanooga, TN. Rebecca later died on 15 Dec 1959 in >Ft.Worth, Texas and was later buried in Milford, Ellis >County, TX. >If anybody fixes me up with her ancestors I'll take you out >for Steak! How's that sound? > >Robert >------------------------------- >Robert L. Williams KC7BUM > ---Veteran of operation Just Cause > Republic of Panama 1989 >Heather Williams >Bryce LeGrand Williams >Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams >Ashland, Oregon >will7370@tao.sou.edu > > >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959
From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:26:31 -0500
Will write later, going to feed Miss Amber and find something for us to eat, Ann -----Original Message----- From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu> To: elder-news@intrepid.net <elder-news@intrepid.net> Date: Thursday, February 12, 1998 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959 >Hey! Thanks for writing. Yes, we are connected. No hurry. I'll file your >name and put a little bug in your ear from time to time. I have some old >Shrader photos scanned into my computer. If you know how to bring them up on >the screen, I can email them to you. > >Robert > >elderbrooks wrote: > >> Hi Robert, this will be short, it is late, I am tired and have to go to work >> in the morning. Rebecca Narcissus Elder was the second wife of my >> g-g-g-grandfather, Charles Elder. She was the widow of George Keener, the >> dau. of Thomas Bryan and wife Nancy Cate, they had two children Charles >> Thomas and Rebecca Narcissus Elder. Charles Thomas was named for his father >> and grandfahter. Rebecca seems to have the name of Charles Elder's mother, >> Rebecca (Cates) Elder wife of William Elder. Both went to Madison Co AL, >> both were married in Madison Co Al. I think I have the Shrader children but >> that is not easy to find at this time, perhaps I can grab it this weekend. >> Both the great granddaughter and great grandson of Charles and Rebecca are >> living, one in Huntsville Al the other in CA. I do have photos of Charles >> Thomas and one of Rebecca and "Andy" Shrader, I think I have given the >> photo's away but have the negatives put up. I had photo. negs. made from >> the old pictures a few years ago. Will try to get to this, I am on another >> "hunt" at the moment. Rachel has another descendant in Huntsville, last >> name is Norwood, Frances Norwood. I helped her when she had a query in the >> ETHS or Smoky Mountian News. The last address I have on her was Dec. 1988, >> how long has this gone on???? If you will contact me I will send you her >> address. >> >> Ann elderbrooks@msn.com >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu> >> To: Elder Email Group <elder-news@intrepid.net> >> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 11:58 PM >> Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959 >> >> >Hi Elder Folk! >> >I am looking for information regarding Rebecca N. ELDER. >> >She was born on 10 Jan 1866, possibly in Tennessee. She >> >married Andy E. SHRADER. He was born 11 Jan 1863 in TN. >> >They had a son, Walter SHRADER, born 5 April 1889 in >> >Chattanooga, TN. Rebecca later died on 15 Dec 1959 in >> >Ft.Worth, Texas and was later buried in Milford, Ellis >> >County, TX. >> >If anybody fixes me up with her ancestors I'll take you out >> >for Steak! How's that sound? >> > >> >Robert >> >------------------------------- >> >Robert L. Williams KC7BUM >> > ---Veteran of operation Just Cause >> > Republic of Panama 1989 >> >Heather Williams >> >Bryce LeGrand Williams >> >Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams >> >Ashland, Oregon >> >will7370@tao.sou.edu >> > >> > >> > > > > >-- >------------------------------- >Robert L. Williams KC7BUM > ---Veteran of operation Just Cause > Republic of Panama 1989 >Heather Williams >Bryce LeGrand Williams >Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams >Ashland, Oregon >will7370@tao.sou.edu > > >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959
From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:55:13 -0800
Hi!
Somebody just sent me this on the ELDER connection. (gosh,
I just realized you might have sent it to me. I have about
50 genealogy emails waiting for me at the end of the
day--sorry) This is all that I know. Let me know what you
think:
DESCENDANTS OF RACHEL NARSISUS BRYAN
(1) Rachel Narsisus Bryan, was born 10 May 1825 in Dumplin
Valley, Sevier Co., TN, and married about 1845 in Sevier
Co., TN, (2) George Keener, son of George T. Keener, who was
born about 1824 in Tennessee. Rachel Narsisus died 16 Dec
1875 in Jefferson Co., Tennessee. George died about 1861 in
Sevier Co., TN.
Notes for Rachel Narsisus Bryan:
BIRTH & DEATH: From Bible Records. (From Ann Poe, Florida)
1850 Sevier County Census,NA 432-895, Pg. 455, Family 974,
George Keener 26, Rachel 25, John 4, Margaret 2, and Nancy
1.
1860 Sevier County TN census Rachel N. Keener is living at
home with her parents Thomas & Nancy (Cate) Bryan, Henry's
Cross roads: Narsissus Keener 33, widow, John 13, Caroline
12, Nancy 10 and George 8.
Rachel and Charles Elder's marriage given in Sevier Co., TN
Marriages, there is no date or no return, however, they are
listed between Oct 9 and Oct 14th. Rachel was the widow of
George Keener & listed as Rachel N. Keener.
4 Mar 1867 Will of Thomas Bryan, gives his daughter Rachel
N. Elder $100 and each of her 2 daughters Caroline Manard
and Nancy Laymon $50, and George A. Keener $100. (Rachel's
son John Keener died 4 Jul 1865 so is not named.)
1870 Jefferson Co. TN Census NA 593-1540, 7 Sep, Dist. 17,
New Market, Pg. 549, Family 44, Charles Elder 63, Rachel
Elder 46 , Charles 7, Rebecca 4.
BURIAL: Dumplin Valley Cemetery, Sevier County, TN.
Notes for George Keener:
DEATH: George probably died after 1852 when the youngest son
George Jr. was born.
Children:
3+ John Keener b.c 1847 d. 4
Jul 1865
4+ Margaret Caroline Elizabeth Keener
b. 29 Feb 1848 d. 13
Mar 1879
5+ Nancy Keener b.c 1849
6+ George Keener b. 29 Apr 1851
She also married about 9 Oct 1862 in Sevier Co., Tennessee,
(7) Charles Elder. Charles died 6 Dec 1871 in Jefferson
Co., TN.
Children:
8+ Charles Thomas Elder b. 27 Jul 1863
d.c 1936
9+ Rebecca Narissus Elder b. 10 Jan 1866
(3) John Keener, (Rachel Bryan) was born about 1847 in
Sevier Co., TN. John died 4 Jul 1865.
Notes for John Keener:
DEATH: Bible Record (From Ann Poe, FL)
(4) Margaret Caroline Elizabeth Keener, (Rachel Bryan) was
born 29 Feb 1848 in Jefferson Co., TN, and married 18 Jan
1866 in Jefferson Co., TN, (10) James Carson Maynard, son of
Shadrack Manard and Elizabeth French, who was born 14 Nov
1842 in Jefferson Co., TN. Margaret Caroline Elizabeth died
13 Mar 1879 in Bowers Hill, MO. James Carson died 1 Nov
1921 in Mt. Vernon, Lawrence Co., MO. James Carson was also
married to Mary Frances Young and Amanda Jane Bailey.
Notes for Margaret Caroline Elizabeth Keener:
SOURCE: Al Baumbach, Illinois and John Maynard, Australia.
BIRTH: Bible record (From Ann Poe, FL)
James' 1st Marriage - "Early East TN marriages - Vol. 1,
Grooms, By Sistler.
James was in the Union Army at Camp Nelson, TN August 15,
1863 and served with Company C, 9th Cavalry. He mustered out
as a Sergeant at Knoxville, TN on September 1865.
Caroline Manard give $50 in her grandfather Thomas bryan's 4
Mar 1867 will.
1870 Jefferson Co. TN Census, NA M593-1540, 9 Jun, Pg. 308,
family 174, James C. Maynard 27, Margaret E. 22, George R.
3, and Nancy E. P. 1. (James is living next door to his
father.)
BURIAL: James buried Odd Fellows Cemetery Cemetery, Mt.
Vernon, Lawrence Co., MO.
Notes for James Carson Maynard:
Children:
11+ Sally Maynard
12+ George Rufus Maynard b. 6 Nov 1866 d. 31
Aug 1945
13+ Nancy Elizabeth Porter Maynard
b. 13 Feb 1869 d. 6
Aug 1940
14+ John Lafayette Maynard b. 25 Mar 1871 d. 26
Nov 1944
15+ Narcisis Maynard b. 24 Jul 1872 d. 12
Aug 1872
16+ Milton Monroe Maynard b. 19 Aug 1874 d. 15
Oct 1952
(5) Nancy Keener, (Rachel Bryan) was born about 1849 in
Sevier Co., TN, and married before 1867 in Tennessee, (17)
J. N. Layman.
Notes for Nancy Keener:
Nancy Layman was given $50 in her grandfather's 4 March 1867
Will.
Nancy and her husband settled in Decatur, Alabama.
(6) George Keener, (Rachel Bryan) was born 29 Apr 1851 in
Sevier Co., TN.
Notes for George Keener:
BIRTH: Bible record (From Ann Poe, FL)
4 Mar 1867, George given $100 in his grandfather Thomas
Bryan's Will.
(8) Charles Thomas Elder, (Rachel Bryan) was born 27 Jul
1863 in Tennessee, and married 1 Mar 1888 in Alabama, (18)
Fannie M. Beardwere. Charles Thomas died about 1936.
Notes for Charles Thomas Elder:
Birth: Family bible (From Ann Poe)
Charles Thomas Elder left Jefferson County, TN when he was
about 16, according to his grandson. He walked all the way
to Decatur, Alabama where he lived for several years with
"Old Doc Layman and his Family", this would have been his
half sister Nancy Keener that married J. N. Layman. Charles
was known as C. T. Elder, he moved to Madison County,
Alabama, had a farm, married Fannie M. Beardwere, March 1,
1888 and my understanding is they had one and no more than
two children. His grandson does remember his granfather C.
T. Thomas well. (From Ann Poe, FL.)
Children:
19+ Olla Thomas Elder
(9) Rebecca Narissus Elder, (Rachel Bryan) was born 10 Jan
1866 in Jefferson Co., TN, and married in Tennessee, (20)
Andrew Edward Shrader, son of George Washington Shrader and
Polly Patterson, who was born 11 Jan 1863 in Sevier Co.,
TN.
Notes for Rebecca Narissus Elder:
Rebecca & Andrew had several children, two born in
Tennessee, they removed to Alabama for a short time and on
to Texas.
Notes for Andrew Edward Shrader:
Andrew is age 6 on the 1870 Sevier Co. TN Census with his
parents.
Children:
21+ Walter Shrader b. 5 Apr 1889
(11) Sally Maynard, (Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was born
in Jefferson Co., TN. Sally died in Mt. Vernon, Lawrence
Co., MO.
Notes for Sally Maynard:
Sally died an infant.
BURIAL: Odd Fellows Cemetery, Mt. Vernon, Lawrence Co.
Missouri.
(12) George Rufus Maynard, (Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan)
was born 6 Nov 1866 in Jefferson Co., TN, and married 5 Oct
1892 in Miller, Lawrence Co., MO, (22) Fannie E. Anderson.
George Rufus died 31 Aug 1945 in Garber, Garfield Co., OK.
Notes for George Rufus Maynard:
George went to Garfield Co. OK and took a homestead.
George & Fannie had 5 children: Pearl, Bertha, Lola, Loye &
Thomas.
BURIAL: Garber Cemetery, Garfield Co. Oklahoma.
Children:
23+ Pearl Rose Maynard b. 23 Oct 1892 d. 23
Feb 1969
24+ Loye Leroy Maynard b. 19 Aug 1895 d. 14
Feb 1972
25+ Thomas Carson Maynard b. 18 Aug 1897 d. 30
Nov 1976
26+ Bertha Maynard b. 24 Sep 1899 d. 17
Nov 1990
27+ Lola Maynard b. 11 Mar 1901 d. 20
Jul 1974
He also married 17 Mar 1937 in Okmulgee, Okmulgee Co., OK,
(28) Rose.
Notes for Rose:
Rose was the widow of an Mr. Van Zant.
(13) Nancy Elizabeth Porter Maynard, (Margaret Keener,
Rachel Bryan) was born 13 Feb 1869 in Jefferson Co., TN, and
married 5 Mar 1890 in Phelps, Lawrence Co., MO, (29) Peter
B. Reese. Nancy Elizabeth Porter died 6 Aug 1940 in
Hugoton, Stevens Co., KS.
Notes for Nancy Elizabeth Porter Maynard:
Nancy & Jim settled in Texas County, OK, Jim was the editor
of the Tyrone Observer in Tyrone, Oklahoma.
Nancy & Peter had 8 children: Essie Kate, Cline Maynard,
Homer Milton, Callie Bell, Guy Dawson, Sterling Ivery,
George Gratten 'Grat' & Thelma Layman Reese.
BURIAL: Tyrone Cemetery, Tyrone, Oklahoma.
(14) John Lafayette Maynard, (Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan)
was born 25 Mar 1871 in Jefferson Co., TN, and married 30
Jun 1897 in Mt. Vernon, Lawrence Co., MO, (30) Julia B.
Harris. John Lafayette died 26 Nov 1944 in Okmulgee,
Okmulgee Co., OK.
Notes for John Lafayette Maynard:
John became a teacher and later studied law and settled in
Okmulgee, OK.
John & Julia had one child Nova Joy who died at birth
John served one term in the lower house of the Missouri
legislature.
(15) Narcisis Maynard, (Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan) was
born 24 Jul 1872 in Lawrence Co., MO. Narcisis died 12 Aug
1872 in Lawrence Co., MO.
Notes for Narcisis Maynard:
Narcisis died young.
(16) Milton Monroe Maynard, (Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan)
was born 19 Aug 1874 in Phelps, Lawrence Co., MO, and
married 26 Aug 1908 in Muskogee, Muskogee Co., OK, (31)
Elsie Genevieve Kirby who was born 4 Mar 1880 in Howard,
KS. Milton Monroe died 15 Oct 1952 in Monmouth, Warren Co.,
IL. Elsie Genevieve died 22 Aug 1919 in Monmouth, Warren
Co., IL.
Notes for Milton Monroe Maynard:
Milton went to Garfield co. OK and became a teacher and
spent the last 20 years of his life as an English teacher at
Monmouth College in Illinois.
Milton & Genevieve had 3 children: Helen, Dorothy and Dr.
Russell Maynard.
BURIAL: Both Milton & Genevieve buried Monmouth Cemetery,
Monmouth, Warren County, Illinois.
He also married 8 Jun 1938 in Webster City, Hamilton Co.,
IA, (32) June Taylor.
(19) Olla Thomas Elder, (Charles, Rachel Bryan) was born in
Alabama.
(21) Walter Shrader, (Rebecca Elder, Rachel Bryan) was born
5 Apr 1889 in Chattanooga, Hamilton Co., TN.
(23) Pearl Rose Maynard, (George, Margaret Keener, Rachel
Bryan) was born 23 Oct 1892. Pearl Rose died 23 Feb 1969 in
Gerber, Garfield Co., OK.
(24) Loye Leroy Maynard, (George, Margaret Keener, Rachel
Bryan) was born 19 Aug 1895 in near Miller, Lawrence Co.,
MO. Loye Leroy died 14 Feb 1972 in Enid, Garfield Co., OK.
Notes for Loye Leroy Maynard:
BURIAL: Garber Cemetery, Garber, Garfield co. OK.
(25) Thomas Carson Maynard, (George, Margaret Keener, Rachel
Bryan) was born 18 Aug 1897 and married 1 Dec 1931 in San
Antonio, Bexar Co., TX, (33) Ruth Olivia Ruberg, daughter of
Otto Ruberg and Isabelle Anderson, who was born 23 Dec 1910
in Brooten, Sterns Co., MN. Thomas Carson died 30 Nov 1976
in Salem, Marion Co., OR.
Notes for Thomas Carson Maynard:
SOURCE: John R. Maynard, Australia
(26) Bertha Maynard, (George, Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan)
was born 24 Sep 1899 and married (34) Homer Elton Dale.
Bertha died 17 Nov 1990.
(27) Lola Maynard, (George, Margaret Keener, Rachel Bryan)
was born 11 Mar 1901 in Garber, Garfield Co., OK, and
married 1918, (35) Milton Earl Stroup. Lola died 20 Jul
1974 in Enid, Garfield Co., OK.
elderbrooks wrote:
>
> I'm back, Rob do you and Heather know where Rachel N. (Bryan) Keener Elder
> is buried, let me know, I think we got off of her name and hit Rebecca. No
> your talking about Rebecca N. Elder the dau. of Rachel and Charles Elder.
> Sorry. It is easy to get confused this time of day. I've only been home a
> little while and the traffic is a horror. Ann
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob & Heather Williams <will7370@tao.sou.edu>
> To: Elder Email Group <elder-news@intrepid.net>
> Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 11:58 PM
> Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Rebecca N; 1866-1959
>
> >Hi Elder Folk!
> >I am looking for information regarding Rebecca N. ELDER.
> >She was born on 10 Jan 1866, possibly in Tennessee. She
> >married Andy E. SHRADER. He was born 11 Jan 1863 in TN.
> >They had a son, Walter SHRADER, born 5 April 1889 in
> >Chattanooga, TN. Rebecca later died on 15 Dec 1959 in
> >Ft.Worth, Texas and was later buried in Milford, Ellis
> >County, TX.
> >If anybody fixes me up with her ancestors I'll take you out
> >for Steak! How's that sound?
> >
> >Robert
> >-------------------------------
> >Robert L. Williams KC7BUM
> > ---Veteran of operation Just Cause
> > Republic of Panama 1989
> >Heather Williams
> >Bryce LeGrand Williams
> >Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams
> >Ashland, Oregon
> >will7370@tao.sou.edu
> >
> >
> >
--
-------------------------------
Robert L. Williams KC7BUM
---Veteran of operation Just Cause
Republic of Panama 1989
Heather Williams
Bryce LeGrand Williams
Kjersten Chase Noelle Williams
Ashland, Oregon
will7370@tao.sou.edu
Subject: [Elder-News]: Allen Elder
From: Bob and Diane Elder <elder@presys.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:00:49 -0800
JIm, Here is the promised information of Allen Morgan Elder, son of William/Billy and Martha/Patsy Elder. Born March 4, 1824 in Overton County, Tennessee, he married Elizabeth J. Proctor in 1865 in Talbot County, GA. He was a member of the Kentucky Calvary. After his service he traveled south to Georgia and wed Miss Proctor. I have no idea how he met her or exactly why he went to Georgia. Allen and his brother, John Morton Elder lived in Albany, KY (just across the border from TN) and operated a store there in 1850. Allen and Elizabeth were parents of: Willis, Anna, Bertha, Mattie, Gertrude, Zach, Bettie and Paul. These were listed in the family in the 688 Militia District, Talbot County, GA census taken on June 16, 1880. After that date Bertha was born for a total of nine children. They moved back to Tennessee after 1880 and there Allen died. He is buried in the Government Cemetery near Byrdstown, TN. He died in Pickett County, TN on January 10, 1898. I have gathered this information from descendants, census records and personal records. I have photographs of Allen's headstone. They are not very good because the area was very shady both times I was there! Elizabeth and some of the children moved to Texas after his death and that is where she is buried. I believe in Karnes, County, TX. She died after 1918. If you have any information to add to this, I will be glad to get it. Also, any more information on this branch of the Elder family. I do have birth dates for some of Allen's children and some of their spouses. Thanks, Diane