Subject: [Elder-News]: Robert ELDER
From: Lisa & David Henderson <davidlisa@gib.kensco.net>
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 02:03:20 -0500
Greetings I have added some new information; I am seeking addition, corrections, and other cousins of; Robert Elder, born 1786, in MD. He married Susannah Haines, in Frederick Co, MD, on Mar 27, 1812. He moved with his brothers, John and William, to OH, abt 1813. Robert died in 1867, in Perry Co, OH. Children of Robert and Susannah; Sarah, Levi, Simeon, Joel, Mary, Asbury, Cyrus, and Charolette. Allied marriages of these children are; KELSEY, MIDDAUGH, DURRAH, DURRAH, and RUTHERFORD Any additional information would be greatly appreciated. Lisa Henderson
Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: ELDER
From: denmar1@ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:35:30 -0500 (CDT)
Hi all Elders and family; I am searching for a male Elder who died in late-1951-52 in an auto accident, possibly in Michigan. He was married and had 4 children, I believe. If any of this rings a bell, please email me. Mary Del Rivette
Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Surname in MO before 1850
From: Gary & Sherry Miller <miller@bubblegum.net>
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:16:43 -0700
Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, Bayley married Goings, Elizabeth on 07 Nov 1839 in Benton County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Dunham, Alfred married Elder, Elizabeth on 26 Nov 1840 in Benton County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, George F. married Walker, Mary S. on 08 Dec 1842 in Cape Girardeau County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, Mary married Jones, Mathew on 14 Jul 1848 in Carroll County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, Drewy married Teavault, Mary on 07 Nov 1848 in Carroll County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, John married Morris, Racheal on 28 Dec 1848 in Carroll County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Kincaid, Jane Elder married Thompson, William on 18 Dec 1832 in Clay County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Silvers, Hannah married Teage, Elder on 23 Mar 1826 in Lafayette County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Roth, Elder Edward married Webb, Mary V. on 01 Jan 1850 in Lafayette County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, Bassel married Elder, Margaret on 12 Nov 1844 in Marion County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, Joseph married Sittles, Frances Ann on 26 Aug 1845 in Marion County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, James married Gilmore, Elen on 16 Jan 1844 in Monroe County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Able, Susan married Elder, Lewis on 13 Apr 1847 in Monroe County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, Joseph married Walker, Harriet on 23 Apr 1839 in Perry County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, James Edward married Layton, Teresa on 23 Oct 1848 in Perry County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Bess, Catherine married Elder, George on 27 Dec 1849 in Perry County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, Joseph A. married Staggers, Mary on 14 Dec 1840 in Platte County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Brooks, Elder David G. married Wilson, Sarah L. on 14 Jan 1847 in Platte County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, Eliza Jane married Little, Benedict on 13 Nov 1837 in Ralls County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, Mary married Little, James on 21 Aug 1842 in Ralls County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, Benedict married Pulis, Elizabeth on 29 Dec 1847 in Ralls County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, Martin married Walters, Polly Ann on 01 Apr 1845 in Ray County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Carpenter, Lavina married Elder, Peter on 30 Jun 1850 in Ray County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Alexander, Sarriann married Elder, Augustus on 13 Mar 1828 in St. Louis County, Missouri Early American Marriages: Midwest Elder, Elisabeth married Rice, Vanrensela on 30 Jan 1834 in St. Louis County, Missouri -- My home page is: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5186/index.htm My Turberville and Lamunion Genealogy Page is: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3237 Visit the IRC Friends' web pages at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5690/index.htm Visit the Ohio Unknown Counties Query Page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/1217 Surnames List: TURBERVILLE; TROUBLEFIELD; LAMUNION/MUNYON; REYNOLDS; MITCHELL; FARTHING; ATER; BURLILE; and many more!
Subject: [Elder-News]: Greetings All, I'm New - My name is Christie
From: AFunGirl35@aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:13:49 -0400 (EDT)
Sunday, 10 August 1997 Hi All! Below is everything that I have so far on my ELDER line - but I'm also interested in the other lines that come off from the ELDERS via marriage, etc. Thanks all - I look forward gleefully to sharing! Take care and happy hunting!!! I am Christie Anne [RUSCH] Weintraub. My mother is Laurel Adrienne Elder, b 04 June 1937 in Torrance, L. A. Co., CA. Married Robert Edward Rusch 23 July 1961. They divorced abt 1983. Her father is Lawrence Charles Elder, b. 12 November 1909 in Douglas, Converse Co., WY, d. 11 May 1979 in Torrance, L. A. Co., CA. Married Myra Hester Cobb on 17 April 1936. She was born 20 August 1909 in Torrance, L. A. Co., CA. Her 88th birthday is this month! Lawrence Charles Elder's father is David Albert Elder, b. 27 August 1856 in Bedford Co., PA, d. 25 June 1917 in Douglas, Converse Co., WY. He first married Florence Ann Sherwin 23 December 1885 in Tie Siding, Albany Co., WY. She was born 25 December 1861 in Aurora, Kane, IL and died 04 June 1895 in La Prele Creek, Converse Co., WY, buried in Poverty Flats Cemetary, N. of Douglas, Converse Co., WY on 07 June 1895 with the infant child Mary. Their Children are Sarah b. 16 Jan. 1889 in Douglas, Converse Co., WY - married Harry C. Anderson 24 November 1910 in WY., Roland Sherwin b. 19 May 1891 in Douglas, Converse Co., WY, d. 09 October 1966 in Fontana, CA - buried 12 October 1966 in Montecito Memorial, Fontana, CA - his 1st wife was Gladys Riggs / 3rd wife was ??? - married 2nd wife, Olive Anna Matthews 01 February 1926 in Sweetwater, TX - b. 23 July 1901 d. abt 1995/6 - their children are Ferril Curtis b. 26 May 1928 in San Angelo, Tom Green Co., TX & married Martha Palomera 13 April 1957 in El Centro, Imperial Co., CA; Mary Francis b. 04 February 1927 in Marshall, Harrison Co., TX, married Lawrence Edwin Crackel, 23 February 1946 in Yuma, AZ; and Warren Lloyd, b. 19 August 1930 in San Angelo, Tom Green Co., TX - married Norma Ann Theresa O'Brien 28 December 1957 in El Centro, CA; and Mary Elder [died with Florence as an Infant]. A 2nd marriage for both,David Albert Elder & Alma Victoria [Peterson] Metz - they married 04 January 1905. She was born 05 April 1886 in Springview, Keya Paha County Nebraska and died 06 June 1986 in El Monte, Los Angeles County, California - Otto Metz & Alma Victoria Peterson married and divorced prior to 1905 and had no children. Lawrence Charles was the only child of David Albert Elder and Alma Victoria [Peterson] Metz. David Albert Elder's father is Josiah or Joseph S. Elder, b. 10 May 1830 in Bedford Co., PA, d. 2 September 1901 in Harrisonville, Cass Co., MO. 25 December 1849 Married Sarah Rhodes, b. 16 January 1829 in Bedford Co., PA, d. 12 February 1894 in Eight Mile, Cass Co., MO. Josiah / Joseph S. Elder's father is Robert R. Elder, b. 11 May 1800 in Bedford Co., PA, d. 14 April 1864 in Bedford Co., PA. Abt. 1826, married Matilda Smouse in Bedford Co., b. 15 January 1809, Bedford Co., PA, d. 11 September 1860, Bedford Co., PA. Robert R. Elder's father is Robert Elder, b. 9 October 1768 in Lancaster Co., PA, d. ??? in Hancock Co., Ohio. Married Catherine Shoup [Schaub] on ??? in ??? PA. Born abt. 1770 in Hopewell, Bedford Co., PA, died Hancock Co., Ohio. Robert Elder's father is George Elder, b. abt. 1740 in Scotland [???], d. ??? in Bedford Co., PA. Married Sarah Vogan 30 September 1763 in Lancaster, Lancaster Co., PA. She was born 26 January 1741 in Huntingdon Co., PA and died ??? in Bedford Co., PA.
From: Renee Bunck <renee@campus.mlc.edu>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:13:39 -0700
Susan Vallejo wrote: > > Elder line: I need help finding my ancestors beyond John Elder > > and his wife Delilia (Dalyla?)who came to California from Lebanon, > Missouri in the mid > > 1800's during gold rush days and settled in Bear Creek outside of > > Auburn Ca where my grandfather Macon Miles Elder was born in 1887 the youngest > of 7 children. It is not known how many of those 7 were born in Calif. There > doesnt > seem to be any written family history. I checked Switchboard on the internet > and see > there are about 8 Elders listed in Auburn Calif. Not one of whom I have > heard of but > most likely are decendants of those 7 children of John & Delilia. I did not > grow up > around my father so never met any relatives besides his parents who are > deceased now. > > My father, Vernon Bevan Elder, is still living in San Mateo California at > age 81. > > > > My mother passed away in 1986. It has become extremely difficult trying to > do any > geneaological tracing of my Elder roots. > > > I was born in San Mateo California in 1945, Susan Helen Elder. > > I have 2 brothers and 3 sisters all fathered by my dad, Vernon Elder. > > I moved to Alaska in 1975 to raise my 2 children. > > My sister Sheila Elder Taranto lives in Dutch Harbor, Aleutian Islands in > Alaska. > > We definitely like to wander to far off places! > > I would like to know how I could research the Elders in Missouri before > they came > out west to California. That could help me begin my family tracing > backwards. My dad > does not know if our Elders came from Scotland or England. The Elder clan > had to begin > in one or the other of those two countries and then split off to other areas > before > crossing the Atlantic. If anyone would choose to chat via email, please do. > Seems there are alot of Elders around the USA! > > Susan Elder Vallejo Susan, I have a Genealogy of the Elder Clan published by Lee M. Elder of San Angelo, TX in 1994 that lists your Grandfather and his lineage. Lee compiled research from a number of Elder researchers and may be able to put you in touch with someone else in your line. I'm sure he would be interested to hear from you and include any new information that you might have to offer. He has just put out a new edition and updates the information continuously. Briefly, here is the line as he has it listed: Peter Elder and ? (bought land in Raappahanock County, VA in 1665 Peter Elder and Elizabeth William Elder and Ann Peter Elder and Amandine Hammond Samuel Elder and Hannah ----------------> my line branches off here with Robert Elder and Sarah Moore Samuel'syounger brother Peter John Moore Elder and Mary Ann "Polly" Vernon John Gunn Elder and Delia Miles Macon Elder There are lots of references, details, dates... Have you checked out the Elder family home page? Lee's book is mentioned there and he frequently posts messages. Always nice to touch base with another Elder cousin - it is surprising how many are out there! -- Renee Bunck in Fremont, NE
From: AEBPOE@prodigy.com (MS ANN E POE)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:06:53, -0500
Re: Renee Bunck concerning Susan Vallejo and her ancestors: I suggested sometime ago that Susan contact Mrs. Virginia Knight Nelson, 3520 Bluff Point Drive, Knoxville, TN 37920. Virginia wrote a book "Families Named Elder In East Tennessee, 1986. Virginia descends from Robert Elder and (2) Mrs. Mary Witt but I Susan descends from Robert Elder and (2) Sarah Moore, both were in Jefferson Co TN and married in Jefferson Co. TN. Robert was the son of Samuel & Hannah Elder (Hannah's maiden name is unknown). Samuel died 1811 Sevier Co., TN. Virginia Knight Nelson has some errors, but the information has been found (a lot of it after she finished her book), but her information on Robert Elder is good, she prints most of the will of Samuel Elder, father of Robert. Susan's does descend from this family, and she did have "relatives" in Auburn, although not nearly the number quoted, nearly everyone of the Elder's are from a different line. I've been there. Robert Elder's brother is my direct ancestor, William; brother's Andrew, Samuel (younger), John, Jacob, a sister Esther Elder Widner (as sp. in Samuel Elder's will). There is no proof that the infamous Margaret Elder was a child of Samuel's and she probably was not. There is no proof not a shred to tie our Elder's into the Richmond Co VA Elders. Not Peter Elder, not Willima Edmond Elder, not the PA Elder's, we have not found one source of information to tie us to any of these Elder's. Robert Elder who is found on both the 1850 & 1860 Meigs Co TN Census gives place of birth as VA on both census. I wrote Susan and told her about this book and it was the best way to get acquainted with the Elder line she positively comes from. The Elder's she would have been related to may have died, they were elderly when I had contact with them. They were the most gracious and obviously "people of substance" I have met, I do treasure the contact and I would never reveal anything about them in case they are still living, they are private people but such a special group of people. I would head straight for Tenn. first, I know of Miles M. Elder, I know of many things he did and his concern for finding his "roots" you can write the Tenn. State Lib & Archives in Nashville, TN, send S. A.S.E. and requests copies of the papers of Miles M. Elder, he had a long correspondence with Mrs. John Trotwood and I believe her husband also. If nothing else it is a very close relative to Susan and perhaps just reading the notes would be a help. You can call information for their tel. number and ask for the address to write to them, things are always changing. I will help with any corrections if I know but otherwise this family has been researched and still is being researched but we do have our line and we can prove it with good source information, many people have worked on this particular group. I wish I could move them back to where they came from? If not perhaps someone else will, we have come a long way. In Virginia book she has our Jacob Elder married to Elizabeth Winterbowers, she married a Jacob Eller, I have a copy of the original bond from the Jefferson Co Courthouse. Jacob married in Pulaski Co Ky. (1) Nancy Collier and (2) Hannah Moorehead. I am sorry this is so very long for all of you "cousins" but I hope you will contact Mrs. Nelson and wish you a lot of enjoyment from this family. Oh her grandfather was Miles M. Elder, please write for copies of the papers, nothing to loose but a lot to gain. I am an Elder, I come from Tenn. (Ann Elder-Brooks Poe).
Subject: [Elder-News]: Edgar ELDER and son David ELDER of CA
From: Roy.Gutfinski@ptbbs.dhs.state.me.us
Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:48:14 EDT
My grandmother's cousin, Elizabeth Crookes Fairman, married an Edgar Elder. They lived in southern California. They had a son, David Elder, who I would say was born between 1915 and 1920. Edgar died around the end of World War II and Elizabeth some time thereafter. Does anyone know of this family and if David is still living? Did David marry and have any children? Would like to know as I am working on a family history. Roy C. Gutfinski PO Box 1115 Gardiner, Maine 04345
Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: R. Bunck & S. Vallejo
From: AEBPOE@prodigy.com (MS ANN E POE)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:51:22, -0500
ELder Ancestry-Perhaps the following will help from Virginia Knight Nelson's book: John Moore Elder (b. ca. 1807, d. aft 1880) and his family moved from Meigs Co TN to present La Clede Co., MO., by 1839. He owned a farm in Lebanon Township. Mar. Mary "Polly" Vernon (b. 5 May 1807, TN.; d. 24 June 1886) on 6 February 1828 in Rhea Co TN. a dau. of Miles and Ann (Atchely) Vernon. Miles Vernon (b. 1786, Charlotte Co., VA.) was a distinguished leader in the affairs of Tennessee and later of MO. (History of Vernon County, Missoursi, 1888, p.196)(copied from book of V. Knight Nelson)(other sources available)aebp The above is lengthy, I do not feel it is approriate to take so much time from the others and I just do not have the time. Children of John & Mary were: Miles Vernon, Robert, James V., Tennessee, Winfield Scott, Elizabeth, and John Gunn Elder (and that is the correct spelling)aebp. Miles Vernon Elder b. 24 Nov 1828, TN; d. 12 May 1911, Whittier Calif. owned a farm in Lebanon Township. (Should be able to locate a deed or deeds) Dudring the Civil War he & his brothers James V. and Winfield Scott served in Co. L, 16th Missiour Cal. Union (you should be able to obtain the pension papers on the above named people which usually contain considerable personal information)aebp Description of Miles Vernon Elder: (probably from pension papers) Miles Vernon Elder was six feet tall had hazel eyes, light hair, and fair complexion. He and his family moved to Kansas about 1875, to Arizona about 1884, then to CA about 1880. Hope this helps, the pension papers should really help.aebp
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Re:
From: EPerry0928@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:38:06 -0400 (EDT)
Thank you very much for the information on Robert Elder. It helped me tremendously. Erika
Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: Elder/Hornbuckle & Elder/Walker
From: "Sandra Williams" <Sandi@madnet.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 22:39:01 PDT
Hi Am new to Elder-news and would like to see if anyone can help me with my husband's Elder families. His gggrandfather was Tom Elder married to ? Hornbuckle(Indian). Only know one child his ggrandmother, Lucretia Lee Elder b. 1858 in Ark. She mar. Herbert Greene Walker, no date or place. She died 11 Nov. 1927 in Campbell, Dunklin Co., Mo. Would appreciate any help that anyone might be able to give on these families. Thank You sandi@madnet.net
Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder
From: Alex and Chris Sykes <magpie1@bright.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:28:28 -0400
Am searching on any info for the following: John ELDER (no info) had daughter named Nancy ELDER b.Dec. 4th 1787 Franklin Co. PA d.1874 Nancy married John McClellan on Sept. 22, 1806 in Beaver Co. PA. Nancy ,like her father, became blind some fourteen years before her death, and remained so for twelve year, when her sight was partially restored, so that she could disitnguish objects, colors, etc. After coming to Wayne co. OH, her and her husband had six more children. I have the names of her children, but am more interested in her father John and what line of ELDERS he's from. Please contact me. magpie1@bright.net Thank you Christine P.S. John Elder was my gggg-grandfather
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John Elder
From: LaCornwell@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:18:53 -0400 (EDT)
Hi, Christine, You asked about a John Elder who had a daughter named Nancy Elder (b. Dec 4, 1787 Franklin Co, PA, d 1874). The half-brother of my Agnes (Nancy) Elder was a John Elder, b. 1756, m. 1st, Margaret Hill; 2nd, Peggy White, d. Feb 21, 1834. His father was James Elder and --- Cole. James Elder resided in Fannet Township, Franklin county, Pennsylvania. James was born in 1712 in Scotland and died Sep 13, 1818 (yes, he was 106) in Fannet Township, Franklin County. James was of the "Paxtang Elders," so named because his father Robert lived in Paxtang Township, Lancaster (now Dauphin) County, PA. I have information on all these Elders. When I get a chance today, I'll research my files to see if I have the children of this (your?) John Elder. Larry P. Cornwell
Subject: [Elder-News]: Edgar Elder and son, David of CA
From: Roy.Gutfinski@ptbbs.dhs.state.me.us
Date: 23 Aug 1997 19:40:04 EDT
My grandmother's cousin, Elizabeth Crookes Fairman, married an Edgar Elder. They lived in southern California. They had a son, David Elder, who I would say was born between 1915 and 1920. Edgar died around the end of World War II and Elizabeth some time thereafter. Does anyone know of this family and if David is still living? Did David marry and have any children Would like to know as I am working on a family history. Roy Cornell Gutfinski P.O. Box 1115 Gardiner, Maine 04345
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Back in Town
From: Rlaneb1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT)
Hello Lee, I am looking for the father of William Elder m. Mary Stinson (he may have had 3 wives). He had a son named William S. Elder born in Buncombe County in 1824. Another child might have been named Elam. I was wondering if this family might connect to Peter. I believe the family I am looking for may have spoken german. Thank you. R.Bangsund rlaneb1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Back in Town
From: Susan Vallejo <svallejo@pobox.alaska.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:51:45 -0800
Hi Lee, My that summer went FAST! I received my copy of the Elder Clan book. Thanks for breaking away from your retreat to mail it to me in Alaska. Lots of names/dates to read. Miles Macon Elder is my grandfather, my dad's father. I spoke with my 1/2 brother in August in San Mateo Calif. He said he had an old cardboard box of 'stuff' I was welcome to look through if I make it down to Calif. He said its been laying around for yrs and no one really looked in it. Labeled Elder genealogy research by Miles Macon Elder. My dad lives with my 1/2 brother, Daniel Elder. Gosh, and I've been asking my 82yr old father for years to help with recalling dates/events/names.....he's not senile. He just wants to be the center of attention to keep my sister and I writing to him. He never raised us and all of a sudden 10 yrs ago wanted to be our dad finally. So we write and exch photos...he's a traveler and always has to be going 'someplace'. I'm anxious to get to the 'box'. Wonder whats in those pages of paperwork? Dad has been to Alaska 2 times in the past 10 yrs. Was coming up this past summer on one of those Inside Passage cruises but his 75 yr old brother, William (bill) backed out and dad didnt come as planned. I had planned to ask him a million questions.... Their sister Jane Astrid Elder (never married) died at age 75 in 1994 in San Francisco. She was a recluse of sorts...never mixed with anyone and died with 'her money' hidden all over her small apt...many thousands...she saved every dime she ever made dad said. My dad and william got that. She tried to kill me when I was 4 yrs old so I never liked her much....I think Jane had a 'screw loose'. Well, if I get to Calif as planned in Oct...I will look up the brown cardboard BOX! My dad seemed upset that Daniel told me about IT. hmmmmm.....hope it will let me look. I'm 52+....yrs old now. Daniel said my dad plans to make it to 100. He just may. So healthy. He worked outdoors all his life as a house painter contractor in Calif. Still working parttime with his 2 sons, Daniel and Bruce Elder. William Elder is his 3rd son. I've only met Bruce when he came to Ak with dad in 82. Bruce lives in Reno/sparks NV and Wm lives in Redwood City CA. I had sent you the listing of names/dates of who I know in my immed family (sent on email I think). New baby born this summer 1997..date?....Zena Rose Elder, dau of Bruce Elder. He did not marry I dont think but lives with the mother of the child now in Sparks/Reno. Hope to hear from you again, Susan Elder Vallejo in Anchorage Alaska 907-345-3151 At 09:06 PM 9/15/97 -0700, you wrote: >Well! I finally got back to my computer and am in San Angelo, Tx. again. >If anyone needs information about the Peter Elder family just send me a >letter by email. Hope to hear from all of you. Thanks > >Lee M. Elder > >
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Back in Town
From: GElder@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:27:49 -0400 (EDT)
Lee, Do you have any information on Gilbert W. Elder, b. abt 1860, son of William J. Elder and Mary Ann Elder of Casey Co., KY? Gilbert's last known residence was in Indianapolis, IN, circa 1902. Gary Elder
Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER,John-1600's; Eng.,Md. Ky. USA
From: lewisw@ldd.net (LEWIS WYMAN)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:16:54 -0500
Hello, I am searching for the ancestors and siblings of my line below.I would also love to contact and share data with others working on this line.Thanks in advance. John ELDER Issue: William b. 1685-7 m. 1705 Calvert co. Md. Elizabeth FINCH Issue: William b. 1707 Calvert co. Md. d. 4-22-1775 Calvert co. Md. m. 1728 Charles co. Md. Ann WHEELER b. 1709 Calvert co. Md. d. 8-11-1739 Calvert co. Md. I am descended thru their son Guy who m. Eleanor OGLE;from here I descend thru Mary who m. Jesse HOBBS.This line eventually settled in Fancy Farm,Graves co. Ky. Lewis Wyman Preferred Company lewisw@ldd.net
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Back in Town
From: "Gary E. Myer" <gmyer@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:17:32 -0400
GElder@aol.com wrote: Lee, Do you have any information on Gilbert W. Elder, b. abt 1860, son of William J. Elder and Mary Ann Elder of Casey Co., KY?Ý Gilbert's last known residence was in Indianapolis, IN, circa 1902. Gary Elder Ý Gary-- In the book Maryland Elder Family and Kin by Sister Mary Louise Donnelly, 1st ed., 1975, on pp.50-51, I find a William M. Elder (1802-Ý ) born in Washington Co., KY, moved with his parents to Meade Co., KY, married 1st Eliza Greenwell and 2nd Susan Litsey Cannon Riddle.Ý By his first wife he had nine children, among whom were James William Elder, born 27 June 1838, and William Joseph Elder, born 10 May 1846.Ý Sister Donnelly does not carry either of these sons further in her book (apparently for lack of info). Gary E. Myer Columbia, MD
Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew STEPHEN abt 1752
From: GuardianFW@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:23:03 -0400 (EDT)
Looking for the siblings and parents of Ann ELDER. Got a lead that her father was Reverend John ELDER. Does anyone know if this is true. When & where he was born, his wife, and any other children? Thanks for your assistance. Kathy
Subject: [Elder-News]: "fighting parson", John Elder
From: Karen Crawford <karen@cleverlink.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:01:09 -0400
Kathy (et al), Some of this information is from the book "Pennslyvania Genealogies" Some of it is from other member's research. John Elder, the famous "fighting parson" of the French and Indian Wars: b. Jan 26, 1706, m. 1st, Mary Baker on Aug 13, 1740; 2nd, Mary Simpson on Nov 5, 1751, d. Jul 17, 1792. I am descended from his son, David. I do not know David's siblings. His parents are: Robert ELDER was born about 1679 in , , , Scotland. He died on 28 Jul 1746 in Paxtang, Lancaster, PA. He was buried in Paxton Pres Chur, Harrisburg, PA. Eleanor (Gillespie?) was born in 1684 in Edinburgh, Angus County, Scotland. She died on 25 Oct 1742 in Paxtang Township, Lancaster (now Dauphin) County, PA. She was buried at Paxtang. Hope this helps. My genealogy web site is at: http://www.cleverlink.com/crawford/ -- Karen McDonald Crawford karen@cleverlink.com CleverLink "Web Site Design for Small Businesses" http://www.cleverlink.com/
Subject: [Elder-News]: "fighting parson"
From: Karen Crawford <karen@cleverlink.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:09:36 -0400
Whoops, I got a little carried away with the cut and paste. John Elder died on July 17, 1792. (I don't know when his wives died). Karen Some of this information is from the book "Pennsylvania Genealogies" Some of it is from other member's research. John Elder, the famous "fighting parson" of the French and Indian Wars: b. Jan 26, 1706, d. Jul 17, 1792. m. 1st, Mary Baker on Aug 13, 1740; 2nd, Mary Simpson on Nov 5, 1751. I am descended from his son, David. I do not know David's siblings. John's parents are: Robert ELDER was born about 1679 in , , , Scotland. He died on 28 Jul 1746 in Paxtang, Lancaster, PA. He was buried in Paxton Pres Chur, Harrisburg, PA. Eleanor (Gillespie?) was born in 1684 in Edinburgh, Angus County, Scotland. She died on 25 Oct 1742 in Paxtang Township, Lancaster (now Dauphin) County, PA. She was buried at Paxtang. Hope this helps. My genealogy web site is at: http://www.cleverlink.com/crawford/ -- Karen McDonald Crawford karen@cleverlink.com CleverLink "Web Site Design for Small Businesses" http://www.cleverlink.com/
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew
STEPHEN abt 1752
From: Donna Logan <fanfare@intrepid.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:19:00 -0500
At 10:23 AM -0500 9/18/97, you wrote: > Looking for the siblings and parents of Ann ELDER. Got a lead that her > father was > Reverend John ELDER. Does anyone know if this is true. When & where he was > born, his wife, and any other children? > Thanks for your assistance. > Kathy >From the "Pennsylvania Genealogies", by Egle (second edition): The Rev. Mr. Elder was twice married; m., first, in 1740 MARY BAKER, b. 1715, in county Antrim, Ireland; d. June 12, 1749, in Paxtang; dau. of Joshua Baker, of Lancaster, Pa. They had issue: 8. i. Robert, b. Friday, June 11, 1742; m. Mary J. Thompson. 9. ii. Joshua, b. March 9, 1744-5; m., 1st Mary McAllister; 2d, Sarah McAllister. iii. Eleanor, b. December 3, 1749; m. John Hays. [refer to EFN Vol. 1 #2, page 10 - lists Rev. Mr. Elder's Family Record wherein it states that Eleanor was born "My 21st 1749"... and also that his wife "departed this life June 12th, at 2 o'clock in the morning, 1749." - so this birth date is certainly questionable. - DYL] iv. Grizel, b. May 2, 1749; d. September 18, 1769. [please note that both Eleanor and Grizel are listed here as being born in the same year! - Rev. Elder's Family Record does NOT list any birth record for Grizel but does list the following death record: "My daughter Grizell died Sept'r. 18th at 10 o'clock afternoon, 1769." Also engraved on Rev. Elder's stone, along with his own inscription, is the following inscription: "The remains of his daughter Grizzel who died 18th Septr 1769 Aged 20 years here rest with him in the same grave". It is proposed by some Elder family researchers that Grizel was an adopted (perhaps an orphan) daughter. - DYL] Mr. Elder m., secondly, November 5, 1751, MARY SIMPSON, dau. of Thomas and Sarah Simpson, of Paxtang; b. 1732, in Paxtang; d. October 3, 1786, at 6 a.m., and had issue: v. Sarah, b. October 19, 1752; d. February 14, 1822; m. James Wallace, (see Robert Wallace record). 10. vi. Ann, b. October 8, 1754; m. Andrew Stephen. 11. vii. John, b. August 3, 1757; m. Elizabeth Awl. viii. Mary, b. January 12, 1760; m. James Wilson, (see Wilson record). ix. Jane, b. May 21, 1762; d. August 6, 1763. 12. x. James, b. Friday June 15, 1764; m. Lucinda Wallace. 13. xi. Thomas, b. January 30, 1767; m., 1st Catharine Cox; 2d, Elizabeth Shippen Jones. 14. xii David, b. May 7, 1769; m. Jane Galbraith. 15. xiii. Samuel, b. February 27, 1772; m. Margaret Espy. 16. xiv. Michael, b. Aug. 9, 1773; m. Nancy NcKinney. xv. Rebecca, b. March 1, 1775; m. James Awl. (see Awl record)
Subject: [Elder-News]: Matthew ELDER of PA/VA c1735 - 1783
From: garyw10@Juno.com (Gary Winter)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:50:38 -0400
All, I am researching the following ELDER family. Would love to exchange information, Your brother in time, Gary E-Mail to garyw10@juno.com 1. Matthew ELDER m. Mary KINCANNON, d. Aug 1792, Washington County, Virginia. Matthew died 1783, Washington County, Virginia. Children: + 2. i Robert b. 1760. 3. ii Jacob ELDER d. 9 Feb 1818, Lincoln County, Kentucky. 4. iii Mary ELDER b. 1762, York County, Pennsylvania, m. William SNODGRASS, b. 1760, Berkeley County, Virginia, d. 1849, Sullivan County, Tennessee. Mary died 1828, Sullivan County, Tennessee. 5. iv Elizabeth ELDER m. 5 May 1779, in Rockbridge County, Virginia, James ROBINSON. 6. v Andrew ELDER m. Margaret COLLIER. 7. vi Matthew ELDER. 8. vii Agnes ELDER m. ? ROBINSON. 9. viii Martha ELDER m. ? BOWLES. 10. ix Jane ELDER m. ? COLLIER. + 11. x James b. 1763. 12. xi Rebecca ELDER. 13. xii Sarah ELDER m. 24 May 1785, in Washington County, Virginia, James JAMISON. Second Generation 2. Robert ELDER Sr. b. 1760, York County, Pennsylvania, m. 23 Sep 1783, in Rockbridge County, Virginia, Rebecca ROBINSON, b. 21 Nov 1762, d. 18 Mar 1839, Lincoln County, Kentucky, buried: McCormack Cemetery, Lincoln County, KY. Robert died 28 Nov 1839, Lincoln County, Kentucky, buried: McCormack Cemetery, Lincoln County, KY. Children: 14. i Matthew ELDER b. 10 Nov 1786, Washington County, Virginia, m. 6 Mar 1809, in Lincoln County, Kentucky, Aseneth WATERS. Matthew died 7 Jul 1865. 15. ii James ELDER b. 8 Jun 1791, Washington County, Virginia, m. 19 Sep 1815, in Lincoln County, Kentucky, Polly BENTLY. James died 19 Nov 1873. 16. iii Mary ELDER b. 8 Jun 1791, Washington County, Virginia, m. 13 Jan 1817, in Lincoln County, Kentucky, Thomas G. PEMBERTON. Mary died 15 Sep 1845. 17. iv Andrew ELDER b. 1793, Lincoln County, Kentucky, m. 22 Oct 1817, in Shelby County, Kentucky, Lydia SHANNON. 18. v Rebecca ELDER b. 27 May 1799, Lincoln County, Kentucky, d. 9 Mar 1894, Lincoln County, Kentucky. 19. vi William ELDER b. 28 Jan 1802, Lincoln County, Kentucky, m. 23 Jan 1826, in Garrard County, Kentucky, Sally SELLERS. William died 8 Apr 1875. 20. vii Jane ELDER b. 25 May 1804, Lincoln County, Kentucky, m. 17 Dec 1821, in Lincoln County, Kentucky, Josiah SHORT. Jane died 2 Oct 1881. 21. viii Robert ELDER Jr. m. 4 Nov 1816, in Lincoln County, Kentucky, Jane BENTLY. Robert died 1 Apr 1851. 11. James ELDER Sr. b. 1763, York County, Pennsylvania, m. (1) 12 Sep 1789, in Rockbridge County, Virginia, Margaret RILEY, (daughter of John RILEY) d. BEF 1797, m. (2) 5 Dec 1797, in Washington County, Virginia, Sarah RUSH, d. AFT 1820. James died 1819, Lincoln County, Kentucky. Children by Margaret RILEY: + 22. i Margaret b. 20 Apr 1793. Children by Sarah RUSH: 23. ii Andrew ELDER b. 6 Nov 1801, Lincoln County, Kentucky, d. 8 Jun 1870, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN. + 24. iii Matthew b. 1802. 25. iv Sarah ELDER b. 28 Feb 1804, Lincoln County, Kentucky, m. 21 Dec 1824, in Lincoln County, Kentucky, Jesse CARTER, b. 7 Feb 1802, Lincoln County, Kentucky, d. 8 Mar 1881, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN. Sarah died 16 Dec 1892, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN. 26. v James ELDER b. Lincoln County, Kentucky. 27. vi Robert S. ELDER b. Lincoln County, Kentucky. Third Generation 22. Margaret ELDER b. 20 Apr 1793, Washington County, Virginia, m. 3 Dec 1816, in Lincoln County, Kentucky, William McCORMACK, b. 15 Sep 1783, Lincoln County, Kentucky, (son of William McCORMACK and Elizabeth (Betsey) BERRY) d. 21 Jul 1848, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN. Margaret died 5 Mar 1858, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN. Children: + 28. i James P. b. 1819. + 29. ii Joseph B. b. 1827. + 30. iii John H. b. 1829. 31. iv Maria McCORMACK b. 1830, Washington County, Kentucky. + 32. v Robert Harvey b. 1 Jun 1831. 33. vi Daniel Marion McCORMACK b. 1833, Washington County, Kentucky, m. 2 Dec 1860, in Pike County, Indiana, Eliza Jane SCRAPER. 34. vii Oren James McCORMACK b. 1834, Washington County, Kentucky, m. 25 Jan 1871, in Pike County, Indiana, Mary E. BOLLING, b. 1 Dec 1847, d. 7 Apr 1876, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN. Oren died 14 May 1887, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN. + 35. viii Sarah Frances b. 1836. 24. Matthew ELDER b. 1802, Lincoln County, Kentucky, m. 21 Nov 1825, in Lincoln County, Kentucky, Rebecca JAMESON, b. 7 Sep 1801, Lincoln County, Kentucky, d. 11 Dec 1877, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN. Matthew died AFT 1850. Children: 36. i John M. ELDER b. 29 Oct 1826, Kentucky, d. 10 Aug 1867, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN. 37. ii James ELDER b. 1829, Kentucky. 38. iii Matthew ELDER b. 1832, Kentucky. 39. iv Andrew J. ELDER b. 14 Apr 1834, Kentucky, d. 4 Apr 1917, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN. 40. v Samuel ELDER b. 1836, Kentucky. 41. vi Stephen V. ELDER b. 4 May 1838, Kentucky, d. 17 Mar 1912, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN. 42. vii Sarah ELDER b. 1840, Kentucky.
Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message
From: AEBPOE@prodigy.com (MS ANN E POE)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:21:51, -0500
Gary, Will have to write you later as I am on Prodigy and we are timed for 10 mins. I am moving and will let you know address. Jacob Elder who d. 1818 was not the son of Matthew Elder & Mary Kincannon, many you show would have easily been his grandchildren or g- grandchildren. Do you have his will, he named all of his children. I like this Elder family, and went to Washington Co VA to do research on ELDER's...... Jacob was married in Pulaski 1st to Nancy Collier and (2) Hannah Moorehead, Jacob named all four children, 2 by each wife. I have pension papers on two of Matthew Elder's sons who were in Rev War and a third son was killed, name was Matthew, described by is brother Andrew Elder. More later, Ann Elder-Brooks Poe
Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message
From: AEBPOE@prodigy.com (MS ANN E POE)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:23:24, -0500
P.S. Jacob was not Robert's son either I did not read all the message. His father's name was Samuel and he gave his permission for Jacob to marry in Pulaski Co KY. Ann
Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message
From: AEBPOE@prodigy.com (MS ANN E POE)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:32:31, -0500
I thought Rev John Elder was born in Scotland and the son of Robert & Eleanor Elder, I have information but so many have this information who are on the Elder News. Several other books can be found and I am not sure about Ann Elder. I thought Egle named where John Elder was born! Will try and find time to look it up, Ann Elder-Brooks Poe
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew
STEPHEN abt 1752
From: Donna Logan <fanfare@intrepid.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:30:45 -0500
At 8:32 PM -0500 9/18/97, you wrote: > I thought Rev John Elder was born in Scotland and the son of Robert & > Eleanor Elder, I have information but so many have this information > who are on the Elder News. Several other books can be found and I am > not sure about Ann Elder. I thought Egle named where John Elder was > born! > > Will try and find time to look it up, Yes, Ann, you're correct this is what Egle's book has for the birthplace of Rev. John ELDER. Here's the remaining info from Egle's book on Rev. John Elder: JOHN ELDER,2 (Robert, 1) b. January 26, 1706, in the city of Edinburgh, Scotland; d. July 17, 1792, in Paxtang township, Dauphin County, Pa. He received a classical education, and graduated from the University of Edinburgh. He subsequently studied divinity, and in 1732, was licensed to preach the gospel. Four or five years later, the son followed the footsteps of his parents and friends, and came to America. Coming as a regularly licensed minister, he was received by New Castle Presbyery, having brought credentials to that body, afterward to Donegal Presbutery, on the 5th of October, 1737. Paxtang congregation having separated from that of Derry in 1735, and Rev. Mr. Bertram adhering to the latter, left that of Paxtang vacant, and they were unanimous in giving Rev. John Elder a call. This he accepted on the 12th of April, 1738, an on the 22d of November following he was ordained and installed, the Rev. Samuel Black presiding. The early years of Mr. Elder's ministry were not those of ease; for in the second year of the Whitfield excitement took a wide spread over the Presbyterian Church. He preached against this religious furore, or the "great revival," as it was termed, and for this he was accused to the Presbytery of propagating "false doctrine." That body cleared him, however, in December, 1740; "but a separation was made," says Webster, "and the conjunct Presbyters answered the supplications sent to them the next summer, by sending Campbell and Rowland to those who forsook him. He signed the protest. His support being reduced, he took charge of the 'Old Side' portion of the Derry congregation." Following closely upon these ecclesiastical troubles came the French and Indian war. Associations were formed throughout the Province of Pennsylvania for the defense of the frontiers, and the congregations of Mr. Elder were prompt to embody themselves. Their minister became their leader-their captain-and they were trained as scouts. He superintended the discipline of his men, and his mounted rangers became widely known as the "Paxtang Boys." During two summers, at least, every man who attended Paxtang church carried his rifle with him, and their minister took his. Subsequently, he was advanced to the dignity of colonel by the Provincial authorities, the date of his commission being July 11, 1763. He had command of the block-houses and stockades from Easton to the Susquehanna. The Governor, in tendering this appointment, expressly stated that nothing more would be expected of him than the general oversight. "His justification," says Webster, "lies in the crisis of affairs...Bay at York, Steele at Conecocheague, and Griffith at New Castle, with Burton and Thompson, the church missionaries, at Carlisle, headed companies, and were actively engaged." During the latter part of the summer of 1763, many murders were committed in Paxtang, culminating in the destruction of the Indians on Conestoga Manor and at Lancaster. Although the men composing the company of Paxtang men who exterminated the murderous savages referred to belonged to his obedient and faithful rangers, it has never been proved that the Rev. Mr. Elder had previous knowledge of the plot formed, although the Quaker pamphleteers of the day charged him with aiding and abetting the destruction of the Indians. When the deed was done, and teh Quaker authorities were determined to proceed to extreme lengths with the participants,a dn decounced teh frontiersmen as "riotous and murderous Irish Presbyterians," he took sides with the border inhabitants, and sought to condone the deed His letters published in connection with the history of that transaction prove him to have been a man judicious, firm and decided. During the controversy which ensued, he was the author of one of the amphlets: "Letter from a Gentleman in one of the Black Counties to a Friend in Philadelphia." He was relieved from his command by the Governor of the Province, who directed that Major Asher Clayton take charge of the military establishment. Peace, however, was restored - not only in civil affairs , but in the church. The union of the synods brought the Rev. John Elder into the same Presbytery with Messrs. John Roan, Robert Smith, and George Duffield, they being at first in a minority, but rapidly settling the vacancies with New Side men. By the leave of synod, the Rev. Mr. Elder joined the Second Philadelphia Presbytery May 19, 1768, and on the formation of the General Assembly, became a member of Carlisle Presbytery. At the time the British army overran New Jersey, driving before them the fragments of our discouraged, naked, and half-starved troops, and without any previous arrangement, the Rev. Mr. Elder went on Sunday, as usual, to Paxtang church. The hour arrived for church-servic, when, instead of a sermon, he began a short and hasty prayer to the Throne of Grace; then called upon the patriotism of all effective men present, and exhorted them to aid in support of liberty's cause and the defense of the country. In less than thirty minutes a company of volunteers was formed. Colonel Robert Elder, the parson's eldest son, was chosen captain. They marched next day, though in winter. His son John, at sixteen years, was among the first. His son, Joshua, sub-lieutenant of Lancaster county, could not quit the service he was employed in, but sent a substitute. Until his death, for a period of fifty-six years, he continued the faithful minister of the congregations over which he had been placed in the prime of his youthful vigor, passing the age not generally allotted to man-that of fourscore and six years. His death was deeply lamented far and wide. Not one of all those who had welcomed him to his early field of labor survived him. Charles Miner, this historian of Wyoming, gives this opinion of Rev. John Elder: "I am greatly struck with the evidences of learning, talent, and spirit displayed by him. He was, beyond doubt, the most extraordinary man of Eastern Pennsylvania. I hope some one may draw up a full memoir of his life, and a narrative, well digested, of his times...He was a very extraordinary man, of most extensive influence, full of activity and enterprise, learned, pious, and a ready writer. I take him to have been of the old Cameronian blood. Had his lot been cast in New England, he would have been a leader of the Puritans." He had, withone who well remembered the old minister, "a good and very handsome face. His features were regular-no one prominent-good complexion, with blue eyes.... He was a portly, long, straight man, over six geet in height, large frame and body, with rather heavy legs... He did not talk broad Scotch, but spoke much as we do now, yet grammatically." His remains quietly repose amid the scenes of his earthly labors, in the burying-ground of old Paxtang church, by the side of those who loved and revered him. Over his dust a marble slab bears the inscription dictated by his friend and neighbor, William Maclay, first United States Senator from Pennsylvania.
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew STEPHEN abt 17
From: GuardianFW@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:08:29 -0400 (EDT)
Thank you so much for this information. I feel like I almost "know" this family. Kathy
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew
STEPHEN abt 1752
From: "John F. Erbland" <jerbland@southconn.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:57:28 -0400
Donna Logan wrote: > > At 8:32 PM -0500 9/18/97, you wrote: > > > I thought Rev John Elder was born in Scotland and the son of Robert & > > Eleanor Elder, I have information but so many have this information > > who are on the Elder News. Several other books can be found and I am > > not sure about Ann Elder. I thought Egle named where John Elder was > > born! > > > > Will try and find time to look it up, > > Yes, Ann, you're correct this is what Egle's book has for the birthplace of > Rev. John ELDER. > > Here's the remaining info from Egle's book on Rev. John Elder: ....................................... > His remains quietly repose amid the scenes > of his earthly labors, in the burying-ground of old Paxtang church, by the > side of those who loved and revered him. Over his dust a marble slab bears > the inscription dictated by his friend and neighbor, William Maclay, first > United States Senator from Pennsylvania. Thanks for sharing. That was so interesting! But what did the inscription say? Another Elder descendent....(Robert Elder and Mary Ann Davis from Clarion Co. PA) Nancy Whipple Erbland