August - September 1997 Elder Sharing List Archive


Subject: [Elder-News]: Robert ELDER
Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: ELDER
Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Surname in MO before 1850
Subject: [Elder-News]: Greetings All, I'm New - My name is Christie
Subject: [Elder-News]: Re:
Subject: [Elder-News]: Re:
Subject: [Elder-News]: Edgar ELDER and son David ELDER of CA
Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: R. Bunck & S. Vallejo
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Re:
Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: Elder/Hornbuckle & Elder/Walker
Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John Elder
Subject: [Elder-News]: Edgar Elder and son, David of CA
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Back in Town
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Back in Town
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Back in Town
Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER,John-1600's; Eng.,Md. Ky. USA
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Back in Town
Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew STEPHEN abt 1752
Subject: [Elder-News]: "fighting parson", John Elder
Subject: [Elder-News]: "fighting parson"
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew STEPHEN abt 1752
Subject: [Elder-News]: Matthew ELDER of PA/VA c1735 - 1783
Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message
Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message
Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew STEPHEN abt 1752
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew STEPHEN abt 17
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew STEPHEN abt 1752



Subject: [Elder-News]: Robert ELDER

From: Lisa & David Henderson <davidlisa@gib.kensco.net>
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 02:03:20 -0500

Greetings
I have added some new information;
I am seeking addition, corrections, and other cousins of;
Robert Elder, born 1786, in MD. He married Susannah Haines, in
Frederick Co, MD, on Mar 27, 1812. He moved with his brothers, John and
William, to OH, abt 1813. Robert died in 1867, in Perry Co, OH.
Children of Robert and Susannah; Sarah, Levi, Simeon, Joel, Mary,
Asbury, Cyrus, and Charolette.  
Allied marriages of these children are; KELSEY,  MIDDAUGH,  DURRAH, 
DURRAH,  and RUTHERFORD
Any additional information would be greatly appreciated.
Lisa Henderson

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: ELDER

From: denmar1@ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:35:30 -0500 (CDT)

Hi all Elders and family;

I am searching for a male Elder who died in late-1951-52 in an auto 
accident, possibly in Michigan.  He was married and had 4 children, I 
believe.  If any of this rings a bell, please email me.

Mary Del Rivette

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Surname in MO before 1850

From: Gary & Sherry Miller <miller@bubblegum.net>
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:16:43 -0700

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, Bayley married Goings, Elizabeth on 07 Nov 1839 in 
Benton County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Dunham, Alfred married Elder, Elizabeth on 26 Nov 1840 in 
Benton County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, George F. married Walker, Mary S. on 08 Dec 1842 in 
Cape Girardeau County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, Mary married Jones, Mathew on 14 Jul 1848 in 
Carroll County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, Drewy married Teavault, Mary on 07 Nov 1848 in 
Carroll County,  Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, John married Morris, Racheal on 28 Dec 1848 in 
Carroll County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Kincaid, Jane Elder married Thompson, William on 18 Dec 1832 in 
Clay County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Silvers, Hannah married Teage, Elder on 23 Mar 1826 in 
Lafayette County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Roth, Elder Edward married Webb, Mary V. on 01 Jan 1850 in 
Lafayette County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, Bassel married Elder, Margaret on 12 Nov 1844 in 
Marion County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, Joseph married Sittles, Frances Ann on 26 Aug 1845 in 
Marion County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, James married Gilmore, Elen on 16 Jan 1844 in 
Monroe County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Able, Susan married Elder, Lewis on 13 Apr 1847 in 
Monroe County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, Joseph married Walker, Harriet on 23 Apr 1839 in 
Perry County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, James Edward married Layton, Teresa on 23 Oct 1848 in 
Perry County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Bess, Catherine married Elder, George on 27 Dec 1849 in 
Perry County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, Joseph A. married Staggers, Mary on 14 Dec 1840 in 
Platte County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Brooks, Elder David G. married Wilson, Sarah L. on 14 Jan 1847 in 
Platte County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, Eliza Jane married Little, Benedict on 13 Nov 1837 in 
Ralls County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, Mary married Little, James on 21 Aug 1842 in 
Ralls County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, Benedict married Pulis, Elizabeth on 29 Dec 1847 in 
Ralls County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, Martin married Walters, Polly Ann on 01 Apr 1845 in 
Ray County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Carpenter, Lavina married Elder, Peter on 30 Jun 1850 in 
Ray County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Alexander, Sarriann married Elder, Augustus on 13 Mar 1828 in 
St. Louis County, Missouri

Early American Marriages: Midwest
Elder, Elisabeth married Rice, Vanrensela on 30 Jan 1834 in 
St. Louis County, Missouri
-- 
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	http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3237
Visit the IRC Friends' web pages at:
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Surnames List: TURBERVILLE; TROUBLEFIELD; LAMUNION/MUNYON; 
REYNOLDS; MITCHELL; FARTHING; ATER; BURLILE; and many more!

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Greetings All, I'm New - My name is Christie

From: AFunGirl35@aol.com
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:13:49 -0400 (EDT)

Sunday,
10 August 1997

Hi All!  Below is everything that I have so far on my ELDER line - but I'm
also interested in the other lines that come off from the ELDERS via
marriage, etc.  Thanks all - I look forward gleefully to sharing!  Take care
and happy hunting!!!


I am Christie Anne [RUSCH] Weintraub.  My mother is Laurel Adrienne Elder, b
04 June 1937 in Torrance, L. A. Co., CA.  Married Robert Edward Rusch 23 July
1961.  They divorced abt 1983.  Her father is Lawrence Charles Elder, b. 12
November 1909 in Douglas, Converse Co., WY, d. 11 May 1979 in Torrance, L. A.
Co., CA. Married Myra Hester Cobb on 17 April 1936.  She was born 20 August
1909 in Torrance, L. A. Co., CA.   Her 88th birthday is this month! Lawrence
Charles Elder's father is David Albert Elder, b. 27 August 1856 in Bedford
Co., PA, d. 25 June 1917 in Douglas, Converse Co., WY.  He first married
Florence Ann Sherwin 23 December 1885 in Tie Siding, Albany Co., WY.  She was
born 25 December 1861 in Aurora, Kane, IL and died 04 June 1895 in La Prele
Creek,  Converse Co., WY, buried in Poverty Flats Cemetary, N. of Douglas,
Converse Co., WY on 07 June 1895 with the infant child Mary.  Their Children
are Sarah b. 16 Jan. 1889 in Douglas, Converse Co., WY - married  Harry C.
Anderson 24 November 1910 in WY.,  Roland Sherwin  b. 19 May 1891 in Douglas,
Converse Co., WY, d. 09 October 1966 in Fontana, CA - buried 12 October 1966
in Montecito Memorial, Fontana, CA - his 1st wife was Gladys Riggs / 3rd wife
was ???  -  married 2nd wife, Olive Anna Matthews 01 February 1926 in
Sweetwater, TX  - b. 23 July 1901 d. abt 1995/6 - their children are Ferril
Curtis b. 26 May 1928 in San Angelo, Tom Green Co., TX & married Martha
Palomera 13 April 1957 in El Centro, Imperial Co., CA; Mary Francis b. 04
February 1927 in Marshall, Harrison Co., TX, married Lawrence Edwin Crackel,
23 February 1946 in Yuma, AZ; and Warren Lloyd, b. 19 August 1930 in San
Angelo, Tom Green Co., TX - married Norma Ann Theresa O'Brien 28 December
1957 in El Centro, CA; and Mary Elder [died with Florence as an Infant].  A
2nd marriage for both,David Albert Elder &  Alma Victoria [Peterson] Metz -
they married 04 January 1905. She was born 05 April 1886 in Springview, Keya
Paha County Nebraska and died 06 June 1986 in El Monte, Los Angeles County,
California - Otto Metz & Alma Victoria Peterson married and divorced prior to
1905 and had no children.  Lawrence Charles was the only child of David
Albert Elder and Alma Victoria [Peterson] Metz.  David Albert Elder's  father
is Josiah or Joseph S. Elder, b. 10 May 1830 in Bedford Co., PA, d. 2
September 1901 in Harrisonville, Cass Co., MO. 25 December 1849 Married Sarah
Rhodes, b. 16 January 1829 in Bedford Co., PA, d. 12 February 1894 in Eight
Mile, Cass Co., MO.   Josiah / Joseph S. Elder's  father is Robert R. Elder,
b. 11 May 1800 in Bedford Co., PA, d. 14 April 1864 in Bedford Co., PA.  Abt.
1826, married Matilda Smouse in Bedford Co., b. 15 January 1809, Bedford Co.,
PA, d. 11 September 1860, Bedford Co., PA.  Robert R. Elder's  father is
Robert Elder, b. 9 October 1768 in Lancaster Co., PA, d. ??? in Hancock Co.,
Ohio.  Married Catherine Shoup [Schaub] on ??? in ??? PA. Born abt. 1770 in
Hopewell, Bedford Co., PA, died Hancock Co., Ohio.  Robert Elder's  father is
George Elder, b. abt. 1740 in Scotland [???], d. ??? in Bedford Co., PA.
 Married Sarah Vogan 30 September 1763 in Lancaster, Lancaster Co., PA.  She
was born 26 January 1741 in Huntingdon Co., PA and died ??? in Bedford Co.,
PA.

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Re:

From: Renee Bunck <renee@campus.mlc.edu>
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 22:13:39 -0700

Susan Vallejo wrote:
> 
>  Elder line: I need help finding my ancestors beyond John Elder
> > and his wife Delilia (Dalyla?)who came to California from Lebanon,
> Missouri in the mid
> > 1800's during gold rush days and settled in Bear Creek outside of
> > Auburn Ca where my grandfather Macon Miles Elder was born in 1887 the youngest
> of 7 children. It is not known how many of those 7 were born in Calif. There
> doesnt
> seem to be any written family history. I checked Switchboard on the internet
> and see
> there are about 8 Elders listed in Auburn Calif. Not one of whom I have
> heard of but
> most likely are decendants of those 7 children of John & Delilia. I did not
> grow up
> around my father so never met any relatives besides his parents who are
> deceased now.
> > My father, Vernon Bevan Elder, is still living in San Mateo California at
> age 81.
> >
> > My mother passed away in 1986. It has become extremely difficult trying to
> do any
> geneaological tracing of my Elder roots.
> 
> > I was born in San Mateo California in 1945, Susan Helen Elder.
> > I have 2 brothers and 3 sisters all fathered by my dad, Vernon Elder.
> > I moved to Alaska in 1975 to raise my 2 children.
> > My sister Sheila Elder Taranto lives in Dutch Harbor, Aleutian Islands in
> Alaska.
> > We definitely like to wander to far off places!
> 
>   I would like to know how I could research the Elders in Missouri before
> they came
> out west to California. That could help me begin my family tracing
> backwards. My dad
> does not know if our Elders came from Scotland or England. The Elder clan
> had to begin
> in one or the other of those two countries and then split off to other areas
> before
> crossing the Atlantic. If anyone would choose to chat via email, please do.
> Seems there are alot of Elders around the USA!
> 
> Susan Elder Vallejo

Susan,
	I have a Genealogy of the Elder Clan published by Lee M. Elder of San
Angelo, TX in 1994 that lists your Grandfather and his lineage.  Lee
compiled research from a number of Elder researchers and may be able to
put you in touch with someone else in your line. I'm sure he would be
interested to hear from you and include any new information that you
might have to offer.  He has just put out a new edition and updates the
information continuously.  Briefly, here is the line as he has it
listed:

Peter Elder and ? (bought land in Raappahanock County, VA in 1665
Peter Elder and Elizabeth
William Elder and Ann
Peter Elder and Amandine Hammond 
Samuel Elder and Hannah ----------------> my line branches off here with 
Robert Elder and Sarah Moore              Samuel'syounger brother Peter
John Moore Elder and Mary Ann "Polly" Vernon
John Gunn Elder and Delia
Miles Macon Elder

There are lots of references, details, dates...  Have you checked out
the Elder family home page? Lee's book is mentioned there and he
frequently posts messages. Always nice to touch base with another Elder
cousin - it is surprising how many are out there!
-- 
Renee Bunck in Fremont, NE

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Re:

From: AEBPOE@prodigy.com (MS ANN E POE)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:06:53, -0500

Re: Renee Bunck concerning Susan Vallejo and her ancestors:  I 
suggested sometime ago that Susan contact Mrs. Virginia Knight Nelson,
 3520 Bluff Point Drive, Knoxville, TN 37920.  Virginia wrote a book 
"Families Named Elder In East Tennessee, 1986.  Virginia descends 
from Robert Elder and (2) Mrs. Mary Witt but I Susan descends from 
Robert Elder and (2) Sarah Moore, both were in Jefferson Co TN and 
married in Jefferson Co. TN.  Robert was the son of Samuel & Hannah 
Elder (Hannah's maiden name is unknown).  Samuel died 1811 Sevier Co.,
 TN.  Virginia Knight Nelson has some errors, but the information has 
been found (a lot of it after she finished her book), but her 
information on Robert Elder is good, she prints most of the will of 
Samuel Elder, father of Robert.  Susan's does descend from this 
family, and she did have "relatives" in Auburn, although not nearly 
the number quoted, nearly everyone of the Elder's are from a 
different line.  I've been there.

Robert Elder's brother is my direct ancestor, William; brother's 
Andrew, Samuel (younger), John, Jacob, a sister Esther Elder Widner 
(as sp. in Samuel Elder's will).  There is no proof that the infamous 
Margaret Elder was a child of Samuel's and she probably was not.  
There is no proof not a shred to tie our Elder's into the Richmond Co 
VA Elders.  Not Peter Elder, not Willima Edmond Elder, not the PA 
Elder's, we have not found one source of information to tie us to any 
of these Elder's.  Robert Elder who is found on both the 1850 & 1860 
Meigs Co TN Census gives place of birth as VA on both census.  I 
wrote Susan and told her about this book and it was the best way to 
get acquainted with the Elder line she positively comes from.  The 
Elder's she would have been related to may have died, they were 
elderly when I had contact with them.  They were the most gracious 
and obviously "people of substance" I have met, I do treasure the 
contact and I would never reveal anything about them in case they are 
still living, they are private people but such a special group of 
people.  

I would head straight for Tenn. first, I know of Miles M. Elder, I 
know of many things he did and his concern for finding his "roots" 
you can write the Tenn. State Lib & Archives in Nashville, TN, send S.
A.S.E. and requests copies of the papers of Miles M. Elder, he had a 
long correspondence with Mrs. John Trotwood and I believe her husband 
also.  If nothing else it is a very close relative to Susan and 
perhaps just reading the notes would be a help.  You can call 
information for their tel. number and ask for the address to write to 
them, things are always changing.  I will help with any corrections 
if I know but otherwise this family has been researched and still is 
being researched but we do have our line and we can prove it with 
good source information, many people have worked on this particular 
group.  I wish I could move them back to where they came from?  If 
not perhaps someone else will, we have come a long way.  In Virginia 
book she has our Jacob Elder married to Elizabeth Winterbowers, she 
married a Jacob Eller, I have a copy of the original bond from the 
Jefferson Co Courthouse.  Jacob married in Pulaski Co Ky. (1) Nancy 
Collier and (2) Hannah Moorehead.

I am sorry this is so very long for all of you "cousins" but I hope 
you will contact Mrs. Nelson and wish you a lot of enjoyment from 
this family.

Oh her grandfather was Miles M. Elder, please write for copies of the 
papers, nothing to loose but a lot to gain.  I am an Elder, I come 
from Tenn. (Ann Elder-Brooks Poe).

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Edgar ELDER and son David ELDER of CA

From: Roy.Gutfinski@ptbbs.dhs.state.me.us
Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:48:14 EDT

My grandmother's cousin, Elizabeth Crookes Fairman, married an Edgar Elder.
They lived in southern California. They had a son, David Elder, who I would say
was born between 1915 and 1920. Edgar died around the end of World War II and
Elizabeth some time thereafter. Does anyone know of this family and if David is
still living? Did David marry and have any children?  Would like to know as I
am working on a family history.

Roy C. Gutfinski
PO Box 1115
Gardiner, Maine 04345

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: R. Bunck & S. Vallejo

From: AEBPOE@prodigy.com (MS ANN E POE)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:51:22, -0500

ELder Ancestry-Perhaps the following will help from Virginia Knight 
Nelson's book: John Moore Elder (b. ca. 1807, d. aft 1880) and his 
family moved from Meigs Co TN to present  La Clede Co., MO., by 1839. 
He owned a farm in Lebanon Township.  Mar. Mary "Polly" Vernon (b. 5 
May 1807, TN.; d. 24 June 1886) on 6 February 1828 in Rhea Co TN. a 
dau. of Miles and Ann  (Atchely) Vernon. Miles Vernon (b. 1786, 
Charlotte Co., VA.) was a distinguished leader in the affairs of 
Tennessee and later of MO. (History of Vernon County, Missoursi, 1888,
 p.196)(copied from book of V. Knight Nelson)(other sources 
available)aebp  The above is lengthy, I do not feel it is approriate 
to take so much time from the others and I just do not have the time.


Children of John & Mary were: Miles Vernon, Robert, James V., 
Tennessee, Winfield Scott, Elizabeth, and John Gunn Elder (and that 
is the correct spelling)aebp.  

Miles Vernon Elder b. 24 Nov 1828, TN; d. 12 May 1911, Whittier Calif.
 owned a farm in Lebanon Township. (Should be able to locate a deed 
or deeds)  Dudring the Civil War he & his brothers James V. and 
Winfield Scott served in Co. L, 16th Missiour Cal. Union (you should 
be able to obtain the pension papers on the above named people which 
usually contain considerable personal information)aebp Description of 
Miles Vernon Elder: (probably from pension papers) Miles Vernon Elder 
was six feet tall had hazel eyes, light hair, and fair complexion. He 
and his family moved to Kansas about 1875, to Arizona about 1884, 
then to CA about 1880. Hope this helps, the pension papers should 
really help.aebp

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Re:

From: EPerry0928@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:38:06 -0400 (EDT)

Thank you very much for the information on Robert Elder. It helped me
tremendously.
Erika

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: Elder/Hornbuckle & Elder/Walker

From: "Sandra Williams" <Sandi@madnet.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 97 22:39:01 PDT

Hi
Am new to Elder-news and would like to see if anyone can help me with my
husband's Elder families.  His gggrandfather was Tom Elder married to ?
Hornbuckle(Indian).  Only know one child his ggrandmother, Lucretia Lee
Elder b. 1858 in Ark.  She mar. Herbert Greene Walker, no date or place. 
She died 11 Nov. 1927 in Campbell, Dunklin Co., Mo.  Would appreciate any
help that anyone might be able to give on these families.  Thank You
sandi@madnet.net

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Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder

From: Alex and Chris Sykes <magpie1@bright.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:28:28 -0400

Am searching on any info for the following:
John ELDER (no info) had daughter named Nancy ELDER b.Dec. 4th 1787
Franklin Co. PA d.1874 Nancy married John McClellan on Sept. 22, 1806 in
Beaver Co. PA.  Nancy ,like her father, became blind some fourteen years
before her death, and remained so for twelve year, when her sight was
partially restored, so that she could disitnguish objects, colors, etc. 
After coming to Wayne co. OH, her and her husband had six more
children.  I have the names of her children, but am more interested in
her father John and what line of ELDERS he's from.
Please contact me.  magpie1@bright.net
Thank you Christine
P.S. John Elder was my gggg-grandfather

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John Elder

From: LaCornwell@aol.com
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:18:53 -0400 (EDT)

Hi, Christine,

     You asked about a John Elder who had a daughter named Nancy Elder (b.
Dec 4, 1787 Franklin Co, PA, d 1874).

     The half-brother of my Agnes (Nancy) Elder was a John Elder, b. 1756, m.
1st, Margaret Hill; 2nd, Peggy White, d. Feb 21, 1834.  His father was James
Elder and --- Cole.  James Elder resided in Fannet Township, Franklin county,
Pennsylvania.  James was born in 1712 in Scotland and died Sep 13, 1818 (yes,
he was 106) in Fannet Township, Franklin County.

     James was of the "Paxtang Elders," so named because his father Robert
lived in Paxtang Township, Lancaster (now Dauphin) County, PA.

     I have information on all these Elders.  When I get a chance today, I'll
research my files to see if I have the children of this (your?) John Elder.

Larry P. Cornwell

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Edgar Elder and son, David of CA

From: Roy.Gutfinski@ptbbs.dhs.state.me.us
Date: 23 Aug 1997 19:40:04 EDT

My grandmother's cousin, Elizabeth Crookes Fairman, married an Edgar Elder.
They lived in
southern California. They had a son, David Elder, who I would say was born
between 1915 and
1920. Edgar died around the end of World War II and Elizabeth some time
thereafter. Does
anyone know of this family and if David is still living? Did David marry and
have any children
Would like to know as I am working on a family history.

Roy Cornell Gutfinski
P.O. Box 1115
Gardiner, Maine 04345

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Back in Town

From: Rlaneb1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT)

Hello Lee,

I am looking for the father of William Elder m. Mary Stinson (he may have had
3 wives). He had a son named William S. Elder born in Buncombe County in
1824. Another child might have been named Elam.

I was wondering if this family might connect to Peter. I believe the family I
am looking for may have spoken german. 

Thank you.

R.Bangsund
rlaneb1@aol.com

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Back in Town

From: Susan Vallejo <svallejo@pobox.alaska.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:51:45 -0800

Hi Lee, 
My that summer went FAST! I received my copy of the Elder Clan book. Thanks for
breaking away from your retreat to mail it to me in Alaska. 
Lots of names/dates to read. 
Miles Macon Elder is my grandfather, my dad's father.
I spoke with my 1/2 brother in August in San Mateo Calif. He said he had an
old cardboard box of 
'stuff' I was welcome to look through if I make it down to Calif. He said its
been laying around for yrs and no one really looked in it. Labeled Elder
genealogy
research by Miles Macon Elder. 
My dad lives with my 1/2 brother, Daniel Elder. Gosh, and I've been asking
my 82yr old father for
years to help with recalling dates/events/names.....he's not senile. He just
wants
to be the center of attention to keep my sister and I  writing to him. He
never raised
us and all of a sudden 10 yrs ago wanted to be our dad finally. So we write
and exch
photos...he's a traveler and always has to be going 'someplace'. 
I'm anxious to get to the 'box'. Wonder whats in those pages of paperwork?
Dad has been to Alaska 2 times in the past 10 yrs. Was coming up this past
summer on one
of those Inside Passage cruises but his 75 yr old brother, William (bill)
backed out and dad
didnt come as planned. I had planned to ask him a million questions....
Their sister Jane Astrid Elder (never married) died at age 75 in 1994 in San
Francisco.
She was a recluse of sorts...never mixed with anyone and died with 'her
money' hidden all over
her small apt...many thousands...she saved every dime she ever made dad
said. My dad and william 
got that.  She tried to kill me when I was 4 yrs old so I never liked her
much....I think Jane
had a 'screw loose'. 
Well, if I get to Calif as planned in Oct...I will look up the brown
cardboard BOX! My dad seemed
upset that Daniel told me about IT.  hmmmmm.....hope it will let me look.
I'm 52+....yrs old now. Daniel said my dad plans to make it to 100. He just
may. So healthy.
He worked outdoors all his life as a house painter contractor in Calif.
Still working parttime
with his 2 sons, Daniel and Bruce Elder. William Elder is his 3rd son. I've
only met Bruce when
he came to Ak with dad in 82. Bruce lives in Reno/sparks NV and Wm lives in
Redwood City CA.
I had sent you the listing of names/dates of who I know in my immed family
(sent on email I think).
New baby born this summer 1997..date?....Zena Rose Elder, dau of Bruce
Elder. He did not marry I dont think
but lives with the mother of the child now in Sparks/Reno.
Hope to hear from you again,

Susan Elder Vallejo in Anchorage Alaska
907-345-3151




At 09:06 PM 9/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Well! I finally got back to my computer and am in San Angelo, Tx. again.
>If anyone needs information about the Peter Elder family just send me a
>letter by email.  Hope to hear from all of you.  Thanks
>
>Lee M. Elder
>
>

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Back in Town

From: GElder@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:27:49 -0400 (EDT)

Lee,

Do you have any information on Gilbert W. Elder, b. abt 1860, son of William
J. Elder and Mary Ann Elder of Casey Co., KY?  Gilbert's last known residence
was in Indianapolis, IN, circa 1902.

Gary Elder

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER,John-1600's; Eng.,Md. Ky. USA

From: lewisw@ldd.net (LEWIS WYMAN)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:16:54 -0500

Hello, I am searching for the ancestors and siblings of my line below.I
would also love to contact and share data with others working on this
line.Thanks in advance.

John ELDER

Issue:
William                         b. 1685-7       
                                m. 1705                 Calvert co. Md.
                                   Elizabeth FINCH
Issue:
William                         b. 1707                 Calvert co. Md.
                                d. 4-22-1775            Calvert co. Md.
                                m. 1728                 Charles co. Md.
                                   Ann WHEELER
                                        b. 1709         Calvert co. Md.
                                        d. 8-11-1739    Calvert co. Md.
I am descended thru their son Guy who m. Eleanor OGLE;from here I descend
thru Mary who m. Jesse HOBBS.This line eventually settled in Fancy
Farm,Graves co. Ky. 



Lewis Wyman
Preferred Company
lewisw@ldd.net

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Back in Town

From: "Gary E. Myer" <gmyer@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:17:32 -0400

 GElder@aol.com wrote: 

Lee,

Do you have any information on Gilbert W. Elder, b. abt 1860, son of William 
J. Elder and Mary Ann Elder of Casey Co., KY? Gilbert's last known residence 
was in Indianapolis, IN, circa 1902.

Gary Elder

  Gary-- 
In the book Maryland Elder Family and Kin by Sister Mary Louise Donnelly, 1st ed., 1975, on pp.50-51, I find a William M. Elder (1802- ) born in Washington Co., KY, moved with his parents to Meade Co., KY, married 1st Eliza Greenwell and 2nd Susan Litsey Cannon Riddle. By his first wife he had nine children, among whom were James William Elder, born 27 June 1838, and William Joseph Elder, born 10 May 1846. Sister Donnelly does not carry either of these sons further in her book (apparently for lack of info). 
Gary E. Myer 
Columbia, MD

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew STEPHEN abt 1752

From: GuardianFW@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:23:03 -0400 (EDT)

Looking for the siblings and parents of Ann ELDER.  Got a lead that her
father was
Reverend John ELDER.  Does anyone know if this is true.  When & where he was
born, his wife, and any other children?
Thanks for your assistance.
Kathy

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Subject: [Elder-News]: "fighting parson", John Elder

From: Karen Crawford <karen@cleverlink.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:01:09 -0400

Kathy (et al),

Some of this information is from the book "Pennslyvania Genealogies"
Some of it is from other member's research.

John Elder, the famous "fighting parson" of the French and Indian Wars:
b. Jan 26, 1706,
m. 1st, Mary Baker on Aug 13, 1740;
2nd, Mary Simpson on Nov 5, 1751, d. Jul 17, 1792.

I am descended from his son, David.  I do not know David's siblings.

His parents are:
Robert ELDER was born about 1679 in , , , Scotland. He died on 
28 Jul 1746 in Paxtang, Lancaster, PA.  He was buried in Paxton
Pres Chur, Harrisburg, PA.

Eleanor (Gillespie?) was born in 1684 in Edinburgh, Angus County,
Scotland. She died on 25 Oct 1742 in Paxtang Township, Lancaster
(now Dauphin) County, PA.  She was buried at Paxtang.

Hope this helps.  My genealogy web site is at: 
http://www.cleverlink.com/crawford/


-- 
Karen McDonald Crawford
karen@cleverlink.com

CleverLink       "Web Site Design for Small Businesses"
http://www.cleverlink.com/

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Subject: [Elder-News]: "fighting parson"

From: Karen Crawford <karen@cleverlink.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:09:36 -0400

Whoops, I got a little carried away with the cut and paste.
John Elder died on July 17, 1792.  (I don't know when his wives died).

Karen



Some of this information is from the book "Pennsylvania Genealogies"
Some of it is from other member's research.

John Elder, the famous "fighting parson" of the French and Indian Wars:
b. Jan 26, 1706, d. Jul 17, 1792.
m. 1st, Mary Baker on Aug 13, 1740;
2nd, Mary Simpson on Nov 5, 1751.

I am descended from his son, David.  I do not know David's siblings.

John's parents are:
Robert ELDER was born about 1679 in , , , Scotland. He died on 
28 Jul 1746 in Paxtang, Lancaster, PA.  He was buried in Paxton
Pres Chur, Harrisburg, PA.

Eleanor (Gillespie?) was born in 1684 in Edinburgh, Angus County,
Scotland. She died on 25 Oct 1742 in Paxtang Township, Lancaster
(now Dauphin) County, PA.  She was buried at Paxtang.

Hope this helps.  My genealogy web site is at: 
http://www.cleverlink.com/crawford/






-- 
Karen McDonald Crawford
karen@cleverlink.com

CleverLink       "Web Site Design for Small Businesses"
http://www.cleverlink.com/

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew
STEPHEN abt 1752

From: Donna Logan <fanfare@intrepid.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:19:00 -0500

At 10:23 AM -0500 9/18/97, you wrote:


> Looking for the siblings and parents of Ann ELDER.  Got a lead that her
> father was
> Reverend John ELDER.  Does anyone know if this is true.  When & where he was
> born, his wife, and any other children?
> Thanks for your assistance.
> Kathy


>From the "Pennsylvania Genealogies", by Egle (second edition):

The Rev. Mr. Elder was twice married; m., first, in 1740 MARY BAKER, b.
1715, in county Antrim, Ireland; d. June 12, 1749, in Paxtang; dau. of
Joshua Baker, of Lancaster, Pa.  They had issue:
8.	i.  Robert, b. Friday, June 11, 1742; m. Mary J. Thompson.
9.	ii. Joshua, b. March 9, 1744-5; m., 1st Mary McAllister; 2d, Sarah
McAllister.
	iii.  Eleanor, b. December 3, 1749; m. John Hays. [refer to EFN
Vol. 1 #2, page 10 - lists Rev. Mr. Elder's Family Record wherein it states
that Eleanor was born "My 21st 1749"... and also that his wife "departed
this life June 12th, at 2 o'clock in the morning, 1749." - so this birth
date is certainly questionable. - DYL]
	iv. Grizel, b. May 2, 1749; d. September 18, 1769. [please note
that both Eleanor and Grizel are listed here as being born in the same
year!  - Rev. Elder's Family Record does NOT list any birth record for
Grizel but does list the following death record:  "My daughter Grizell died
Sept'r. 18th at 10 o'clock afternoon, 1769."  Also engraved on Rev. Elder's
stone, along with his own inscription, is the following inscription: "The
remains of his daughter Grizzel who died 18th Septr 1769 Aged 20 years here
rest with him in the same grave".  It is proposed by some Elder family
researchers that Grizel was an adopted (perhaps an orphan) daughter. - DYL]

Mr. Elder m., secondly, November 5, 1751, MARY SIMPSON, dau. of Thomas and
Sarah Simpson, of Paxtang; b. 1732, in Paxtang; d. October 3, 1786, at 6
a.m., and had issue:
	v.    Sarah, b. October 19, 1752; d. February 14, 1822;  m. James
Wallace, (see Robert Wallace record).
10.	vi.    Ann, b. October 8, 1754; m. Andrew Stephen.
11.	vii.   John, b. August 3, 1757; m. Elizabeth Awl.
	viii.  Mary, b. January 12, 1760; m. James Wilson, (see Wilson record).
	ix.   Jane, b. May 21, 1762; d. August 6, 1763.
12.	x.   James, b. Friday June 15, 1764; m. Lucinda Wallace.
13.	xi.    Thomas, b. January 30, 1767; m., 1st Catharine Cox; 2d,
Elizabeth Shippen Jones.
14.	xii   David, b. May 7, 1769; m. Jane Galbraith.
15.	xiii. Samuel, b. February 27, 1772; m. Margaret Espy.
16.	xiv.  Michael, b. Aug. 9, 1773; m. Nancy NcKinney.
	xv.   Rebecca, b. March 1, 1775; m. James Awl. (see Awl record)

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Matthew ELDER of PA/VA c1735 - 1783

From: garyw10@Juno.com (Gary Winter)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:50:38 -0400

All,

I am researching the following ELDER family. Would love to exchange
information,

Your brother in time,
Gary
E-Mail to garyw10@juno.com

1. Matthew ELDER m. Mary KINCANNON, d. Aug 1792, Washington
County, Virginia.  Matthew died 1783, Washington County,
Virginia.
		Children:     
+   2.	i	Robert b. 1760.
3.	ii	Jacob ELDER d. 9 Feb 1818, Lincoln County,
            		 Kentucky.
4.	iii	Mary ELDER b. 1762, York County, Pennsylvania,
             		m. William SNODGRASS, b. 1760, Berkeley
County,
            		Virginia, d. 1849, Sullivan County,
Tennessee.
             		Mary died 1828, Sullivan County, Tennessee.
5.	iv	Elizabeth ELDER m. 5 May 1779, in Rockbridge
             		County, Virginia, James ROBINSON.
6.	v	Andrew ELDER m. Margaret COLLIER.
7.	vi	Matthew ELDER.
8.	vii	Agnes ELDER m. ? ROBINSON.
9.	viii	Martha ELDER m. ? BOWLES.
10.	ix	Jane ELDER m. ? COLLIER.
+  11.	x	James b. 1763.
12.	xi	Rebecca ELDER.
13.	xii	Sarah ELDER m. 24 May 1785, in Washington
             		County, Virginia, James JAMISON.

Second Generation        

2. Robert ELDER Sr. b. 1760, York County, Pennsylvania, m.
23 Sep 1783, in Rockbridge County, Virginia, Rebecca
ROBINSON, b. 21 Nov 1762, d. 18 Mar 1839, Lincoln County,
Kentucky, buried: McCormack Cemetery, Lincoln County, KY.
Robert died 28 Nov 1839, Lincoln County, Kentucky, buried:
McCormack Cemetery, Lincoln County, KY.
		Children:     
14.	i	Matthew ELDER b. 10 Nov 1786, Washington
             		County, Virginia, m. 6 Mar 1809, in Lincoln
             		County, Kentucky, Aseneth WATERS.  Matthew
died
            		7 Jul 1865.
15.	ii	James ELDER b. 8 Jun 1791, Washington County,
             		Virginia, m. 19 Sep 1815, in Lincoln County,
             		Kentucky, Polly BENTLY.  James died 19 Nov
             		1873.
16.	iii	Mary ELDER b. 8 Jun 1791, Washington County,
             		Virginia, m. 13 Jan 1817, in Lincoln County,
             		Kentucky, Thomas G. PEMBERTON.  Mary died 15
             		Sep 1845.
17.	iv	Andrew ELDER b. 1793, Lincoln County, Kentucky,
             		m. 22 Oct 1817, in Shelby County, Kentucky,
             		Lydia SHANNON.
18.	v	Rebecca ELDER b. 27 May 1799, Lincoln County,
             		Kentucky, d. 9 Mar 1894, Lincoln County,
             		Kentucky.
19.	vi	William ELDER b. 28 Jan 1802, Lincoln County,
             		Kentucky, m. 23 Jan 1826, in Garrard County,
             		Kentucky, Sally SELLERS.  William died 8 Apr
             		1875.
20.	vii	Jane ELDER b. 25 May 1804, Lincoln County,
             		Kentucky, m. 17 Dec 1821, in Lincoln County,
            		Kentucky, Josiah SHORT.  Jane died 2 Oct
1881.
21.	viii	Robert ELDER Jr. m. 4 Nov 1816, in Lincoln
             		County, Kentucky, Jane BENTLY.  Robert died
1
            		 Apr 1851.

11. James ELDER Sr. b. 1763, York County, Pennsylvania, m.
(1) 12 Sep 1789, in Rockbridge County, Virginia, Margaret
RILEY, (daughter of John RILEY) d. BEF 1797, m. (2) 5 Dec
1797, in Washington County, Virginia, Sarah RUSH, d. AFT
1820.  James died 1819, Lincoln County, Kentucky.
		Children by Margaret RILEY:
+  22.	i	Margaret b. 20 Apr 1793.
		Children by Sarah RUSH:
23.	ii	Andrew ELDER b. 6 Nov 1801, Lincoln County,
             		Kentucky, d. 8 Jun 1870, Pike County,
Indiana,
             		buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County,
IN.
+  24.	iii	Matthew b. 1802.
25.	iv	Sarah ELDER b. 28 Feb 1804, Lincoln County,
             		Kentucky, m. 21 Dec 1824, in Lincoln County,
           		Kentucky, Jesse CARTER, b. 7 Feb 1802, Lincoln
             		County, Kentucky, d. 8 Mar 1881, Pike
County,
             		Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike
             		County, IN.  Sarah died 16 Dec 1892, Pike
             		County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek
Cemetery,
            		Pike County, IN.
26.	v	James ELDER b. Lincoln County, Kentucky.
27.	vi	Robert S. ELDER b. Lincoln County, Kentucky.

Third Generation        

22. Margaret ELDER b. 20 Apr 1793, Washington County,
Virginia, m. 3 Dec 1816, in Lincoln County, Kentucky,
William McCORMACK, b. 15 Sep 1783, Lincoln County, Kentucky,
(son of William McCORMACK and Elizabeth (Betsey) BERRY) d.
21 Jul 1848, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek
Cemetery, Pike County, IN.  Margaret died 5 Mar 1858, Pike
County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County,
IN.
		Children:     
+  28.	i	James P. b. 1819.
+  29.	ii	Joseph B. b. 1827.
+  30.	iii	John H. b. 1829.
31.	iv	Maria McCORMACK b. 1830, Washington County,
             		Kentucky.
+  32.	v	Robert Harvey b. 1 Jun 1831.
33.	vi	Daniel Marion McCORMACK b. 1833, Washington
             		County, Kentucky, m. 2 Dec 1860, in Pike
             		County, Indiana, Eliza Jane SCRAPER.
34.	vii	Oren James McCORMACK b. 1834, Washington
             		County, Kentucky, m. 25 Jan 1871, in Pike
             		County, Indiana, Mary E. BOLLING, b. 1 Dec
             		1847, d. 7 Apr 1876, Pike County, Indiana,
             		buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County,
IN.
             		Oren died 14 May 1887, Pike County, Indiana,
             		buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County,
IN.
		+  35.	viii	Sarah Frances b. 1836.

24. Matthew ELDER b. 1802, Lincoln County, Kentucky, m. 21
Nov 1825, in Lincoln County, Kentucky, Rebecca JAMESON, b. 7
Sep 1801, Lincoln County, Kentucky, d. 11 Dec 1877, Pike
County, Indiana, buried: Flat Creek Cemetery, Pike County,
IN.  Matthew died AFT 1850.
		Children:     
36.	i	John M. ELDER b. 29 Oct 1826, Kentucky, d. 10
             		Aug 1867, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat
             		Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN.
37.	ii	James ELDER b. 1829, Kentucky.
38.	iii	Matthew ELDER b. 1832, Kentucky.
39.	iv	Andrew J. ELDER b. 14 Apr 1834, Kentucky, d. 4
             		Apr 1917, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat
             		Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN.
40.	v	Samuel ELDER b. 1836, Kentucky.
41.	vi	Stephen V. ELDER b. 4 May 1838, Kentucky, d. 17
             		Mar 1912, Pike County, Indiana, buried: Flat
             		Creek Cemetery, Pike County, IN.
42.	vii	Sarah ELDER b. 1840, Kentucky.

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message

From: AEBPOE@prodigy.com (MS ANN E POE)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:21:51, -0500

Gary, Will have to write you later as I am on Prodigy and we are 
timed for 10 mins.  I am moving and will let you know address.  Jacob 
Elder who d. 1818 was not the son of Matthew Elder & Mary Kincannon, 
many you show would have easily been his grandchildren or g-
grandchildren.

Do you have his will, he named all of his children. I like this Elder 
family, and went to Washington Co VA to do research on ELDER's......
Jacob was married in Pulaski 1st to Nancy Collier and (2) Hannah 
Moorehead, Jacob named all four children, 2 by each wife.  I have 
pension papers on two of Matthew Elder's sons who were in Rev War and 
a third son was killed, name was Matthew, described by is brother 
Andrew Elder.

More later,

Ann Elder-Brooks Poe

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message

From: AEBPOE@prodigy.com (MS ANN E POE)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:23:24, -0500

P.S. Jacob was not Robert's son either I did not read all the message.
 His father's name was Samuel and he gave his permission for Jacob to 
marry in Pulaski Co KY.

Ann

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Internet Message

From: AEBPOE@prodigy.com (MS ANN E POE)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:32:31, -0500

I thought Rev John Elder was born in Scotland and the son of Robert & 
Eleanor Elder, I have information but so many have this information 
who are on the Elder News.  Several other books can be found and I am 
not sure about Ann Elder.  I thought Egle named where John Elder was 
born!

Will try and find time to look it up,

Ann Elder-Brooks Poe

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew
STEPHEN abt 1752

From: Donna Logan <fanfare@intrepid.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:30:45 -0500

At 8:32 PM -0500 9/18/97, you wrote:

> I thought Rev John Elder was born in Scotland and the son of Robert &
> Eleanor Elder, I have information but so many have this information
> who are on the Elder News.  Several other books can be found and I am
> not sure about Ann Elder.  I thought Egle named where John Elder was
> born!
>
> Will try and find time to look it up,

Yes, Ann, you're correct this is what Egle's book has for the birthplace of
Rev. John ELDER.

Here's the remaining info from Egle's book on Rev. John Elder:

 JOHN ELDER,2 (Robert, 1) b. January 26, 1706, in the city of Edinburgh,
Scotland; d. July 17, 1792, in Paxtang township, Dauphin County, Pa.  He
received a classical education, and graduated from the University of
Edinburgh.  He subsequently studied divinity, and in 1732, was licensed to
preach the gospel.  Four or five years later, the son followed the
footsteps of his parents and friends, and came to America.  Coming as a
regularly licensed minister, he was received by New Castle Presbyery,
having brought credentials to that body, afterward to Donegal Presbutery,
on the 5th of October, 1737.  Paxtang congregation having separated from
that of Derry in 1735, and Rev. Mr. Bertram adhering to the latter, left
that of Paxtang vacant, and they were unanimous in giving Rev. John Elder a
call.  This he accepted on the 12th of April, 1738, an on the 22d of
November following he was ordained and installed, the Rev. Samuel Black
presiding.  The early years of Mr. Elder's ministry were not those of ease;
for in the second year of the Whitfield excitement took a wide spread over
the Presbyterian Church.  He preached against this religious furore, or the
"great revival," as it was termed, and for this he was accused to the
Presbytery of propagating "false doctrine."  That body cleared him,
however, in December, 1740; "but a separation was made," says Webster, "and
the conjunct Presbyters answered the supplications sent to them the next
summer, by sending Campbell and Rowland to those who forsook him.  He
signed the protest.  His support being reduced, he took charge of the 'Old
Side' portion of the Derry congregation."   Following closely upon these
ecclesiastical troubles came the French and Indian war.  Associations were
formed throughout the Province of Pennsylvania for the defense of the
frontiers, and the congregations of Mr. Elder were prompt to embody
themselves.  Their minister became their leader-their captain-and they were
trained as scouts.  He superintended the discipline of his men, and his
mounted rangers became widely known as the "Paxtang Boys."

During two summers, at least, every man who attended Paxtang church carried
his rifle with him, and their minister took his.  Subsequently, he was
advanced to the dignity of colonel by the Provincial authorities, the date
of his commission being July 11, 1763.  He had command of the block-houses
and stockades from Easton to the Susquehanna.  The Governor, in tendering
this appointment, expressly stated that nothing more would be expected of
him than the general oversight.  "His justification," says Webster, "lies
in the crisis of affairs...Bay at York, Steele at Conecocheague, and
Griffith at New Castle, with Burton and Thompson, the church missionaries,
at Carlisle, headed companies, and were actively engaged."  During the
latter part of the summer of 1763, many murders were committed in Paxtang,
culminating in the destruction of the Indians on Conestoga Manor and at
Lancaster.

Although the men composing the company of Paxtang men who exterminated the
murderous savages referred to belonged to his obedient and faithful
rangers, it has never been proved that the Rev. Mr. Elder had previous
knowledge of the plot formed, although the Quaker pamphleteers of the day
charged him with aiding and abetting the destruction of the Indians.  When
the deed was done, and teh Quaker authorities were determined to proceed to
extreme lengths with the participants,a dn decounced teh frontiersmen as
"riotous and murderous Irish Presbyterians," he took sides with the border
inhabitants, and sought to condone the deed
His letters published in connection with the history of that transaction
prove him to have been a man judicious, firm and decided. During the
controversy which ensued, he was the author of one of the amphlets: "Letter
from a Gentleman in one of the Black Counties to a Friend in Philadelphia."
He was relieved from his command by the Governor of the Province, who
directed that Major Asher Clayton take charge of the military
establishment.  Peace, however, was restored - not only in civil affairs ,
but in the church.
The union of the synods brought the Rev. John Elder into the same
Presbytery with Messrs. John Roan, Robert Smith, and George Duffield, they
being at first in a minority, but rapidly settling the vacancies with New
Side men.  By the leave of synod, the Rev. Mr. Elder joined the Second
Philadelphia Presbytery May 19, 1768, and on  the formation of the General
Assembly, became a member of Carlisle Presbytery.  At the time the British
army overran New Jersey, driving before them the fragments of our
discouraged, naked, and half-starved troops, and without any previous
arrangement, the Rev. Mr. Elder went on Sunday, as usual, to Paxtang
church.  The hour arrived for church-servic, when, instead of a sermon, he
began a short and hasty prayer to the Throne of Grace; then called upon the
patriotism of all effective men present, and exhorted them to aid in
support of liberty's cause and the defense of the country.  In less than
thirty minutes a company of volunteers was formed.  Colonel Robert Elder,
the parson's eldest son, was chosen captain.  They marched next day, though
in winter.  His son John, at sixteen years, was among the first.  His son,
Joshua, sub-lieutenant of Lancaster county, could not quit the service he
was employed in, but sent a substitute.  Until his death, for a period of
fifty-six years, he continued  the faithful minister of the congregations
over which he had been placed in the prime of his youthful vigor, passing
the age not generally allotted to man-that of fourscore and six years.  His
death was deeply lamented far and wide.  Not one of all those who had
welcomed him to his early field of labor survived him.

Charles Miner, this historian of Wyoming, gives this opinion of Rev. John
Elder: "I am greatly struck with the evidences of learning, talent, and
spirit displayed by him.  He was, beyond doubt, the most extraordinary man
of Eastern Pennsylvania.  I hope some one may draw up a full memoir of his
life, and a narrative, well digested, of his times...He was a very
extraordinary man, of most extensive influence, full of activity and
enterprise, learned, pious, and a ready writer.  I take him to have been of
the old Cameronian blood.  Had his lot been cast in New England, he would
have been a leader of the Puritans."  He had, withone who well remembered
the old minister, "a good and very handsome face.  His features were
regular-no one prominent-good complexion, with blue eyes.... He was a
portly, long, straight man, over six geet in height, large frame and body,
with rather heavy legs... He did not talk broad Scotch, but spoke much as
we do now, yet grammatically."  His remains quietly repose amid the scenes
of his earthly labors, in the burying-ground of old Paxtang church, by the
side of those who loved and revered him.  Over his dust a marble slab bears
the inscription dictated by his friend and neighbor, William Maclay, first
United States Senator from Pennsylvania.

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew STEPHEN abt 17

From: GuardianFW@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:08:29 -0400 (EDT)

Thank you so much for this information.  I feel like I almost "know" this
family.
Kathy

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER Ann b. 8 Oct 1754 Dauphin, PA m. Andrew
STEPHEN abt 1752

From: "John F. Erbland" <jerbland@southconn.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:57:28 -0400

Donna Logan wrote:
> 
> At 8:32 PM -0500 9/18/97, you wrote:
> 
> > I thought Rev John Elder was born in Scotland and the son of Robert &
> > Eleanor Elder, I have information but so many have this information
> > who are on the Elder News.  Several other books can be found and I am
> > not sure about Ann Elder.  I thought Egle named where John Elder was
> > born!
> >
> > Will try and find time to look it up,
> 
> Yes, Ann, you're correct this is what Egle's book has for the birthplace of
> Rev. John ELDER.
> 
> Here's the remaining info from Egle's book on Rev. John Elder:
.......................................
>   His remains quietly repose amid the scenes
> of his earthly labors, in the burying-ground of old Paxtang church, by the
> side of those who loved and revered him.  Over his dust a marble slab bears
> the inscription dictated by his friend and neighbor, William Maclay, first
> United States Senator from Pennsylvania.

	Thanks for sharing.  That was so interesting!  But what did the 
inscription say?
Another Elder descendent....(Robert Elder and Mary Ann Davis from 
Clarion Co. PA)
Nancy Whipple Erbland

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