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Subject: [Elder-News]: Biggs, Elder
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Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder
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Subject: [Elder-News]: [Fwd: Whoa! Several more!]
Subject: [Elder-News]: De Hart info for Ann
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Subject: [Elder-News]: John Lee Elder
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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 22:20:18 -0800

Jim, I tried to contact you on the old email address but the postmaster kept
sending it back to me.
I have more, found more today.  What do you know about a Robert Biggs who
was in the area prior to Tenn. becoming a State?   I am still reading the
minutes, I am not really slow, just have little time.

You can contact me  elderbrooks@msn.com

Ann Poe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: elderbrooks <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
> To: James P. Golden <jpgolden@juno.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER
>
>
> Is there any connection to these Biggs and my East Tenn. Elder's, I am
> stuck there with one whole family?  Samuel Elder and wife Hannah (maiden
> name unknown). Samuel died 1811, I need to recheck the date on his will.
>
>  "Nicholas S. Peck Guardian for James Biggs, Nancy Biggs, Betsy Biggs,
Joel
>   Biggs, Cynthia Biggs and Lucinda Biggs & heirs of Wills Biggs Deceased
who
>   entered into bond with etc etc.William Biggs deceased "who died in the
>   service of the United States in Captain Campbell's Company in the 24th
>   regiment of Infantry.
>
> Jefferson County Tennessee County
> Court Minutes, Microfilm Roll No 25, Tennessee State Library and Archives,
>  page 382, Thursday March 12th 1816.
>
>  I have read from 1792 and I have arrived July Sessions 1812, I have not
> forgotten you..I've read them several times!
>
>  Ann Poe     elderbrooks@msn.com
>
>
>

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: Jim Golden <jgolden1@planttel.net>
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 15:36:37 -0400

Don't have anything on Robert.  If in TN before statehood that would be ca. 1780
and part of NC.  Would suspect that he was part of the NC family that was in the
area of Edgecombe early 1700s.  I can't make a connection with them nor the MD
group yet.

Jim


elderbrooks wrote:

> Jim, I tried to contact you on the old email address but the postmaster kept
> sending it back to me.
> I have more, found more today.  What do you know about a Robert Biggs who
> was in the area prior to Tenn. becoming a State?   I am still reading the
> minutes, I am not really slow, just have little time.
>
> You can contact me  elderbrooks@msn.com
>
> Ann Poe
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: elderbrooks <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
> > To: James P. Golden <jpgolden@juno.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 9:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER
> >
> >
> > Is there any connection to these Biggs and my East Tenn. Elder's, I am
> > stuck there with one whole family?  Samuel Elder and wife Hannah (maiden
> > name unknown). Samuel died 1811, I need to recheck the date on his will.
> >
> >  "Nicholas S. Peck Guardian for James Biggs, Nancy Biggs, Betsy Biggs,
> Joel
> >   Biggs, Cynthia Biggs and Lucinda Biggs & heirs of Wills Biggs Deceased
> who
> >   entered into bond with etc etc.William Biggs deceased "who died in the
> >   service of the United States in Captain Campbell's Company in the 24th
> >   regiment of Infantry.
> >
> > Jefferson County Tennessee County
> > Court Minutes, Microfilm Roll No 25, Tennessee State Library and Archives,
> >  page 382, Thursday March 12th 1816.
> >
> >  I have read from 1792 and I have arrived July Sessions 1812, I have not
> > forgotten you..I've read them several times!
> >
> >  Ann Poe     elderbrooks@msn.com
> >
> >
> >

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Biggs, Elder

From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 19:25:45 -0500

Hi Everyone:
I have a Robert L. Biggs b. 1895 and died 1920.  I have about 200 Biggs
in my Elder directory.
Joel Biggs married Nancy Elder who was the Daughter of Joseph Elder.

I have Peter Elder b. 1715
His son Samuel b. Elder Sr. b. 1738 and wife Patience
They had a son Hammond Elder b. 1822 wife Elizabeth Smith
They had a second son Samuel B. Elder Jr. b. ca 1760 and his wife was
Hannah
Samuel and Hannah had a son Robert Elder wife Sarah Moore 2nd wife Mrs
Mary Witt
I have the rest of the family for the above if anyone needs them.
Lee M. Elder       email@wcc.net

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John ELDER and Mary Morehouse, Wood Co OH 1830-60

From: Nancy Petersen <nancyp@teleport.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:29:54 -0700

Thanks for the John ELDER entry.
I didn't see any of those children named in Wood County, OH,
but I will watch for them.  He came to Wood County abt 1830,
it seems.  I'm signing up for a "First Families" search in
Wood County, so maybe I'll come up with church records
or something helpful there!
   Thanks again for your reply.
NancyP
-- 
Nancy Elder Petersen, Library Internet volunteer
Vancouver, Washington, USA

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John ELDER and Mary Morehouse, Wood Co OH 1830-60

From: LazyVElder@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:49:41 EDT

     Hello, I have a John Elder b Westmoreland Co. PA before 1810. Father 
Samuel     b. abt 1758 Ireland and immigrating to the US in 1791. John had a 
sister that died abt. Dec 1825 and leaving gaurdianship of her four children 
to John her brother. Her four childre were Samuel, Eliza, Jane Ann, and 
James. Thank You    VElder  

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John ELDER and Mary Morehouse, Wood Co OH 1830-60

From: "MARY H COLE" <MARYCOLE@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:11:08 -0700

I have two other John Elders in Westmoreland Co

John ( James, Robert) - will probated 22 Dec 1804
John (Thomas, Robert) - will probated 10 Nov 1800

Mary Cole
marycole@Prodigy.net


----- Original Message -----
From: <LazyVElder@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John ELDER and Mary Morehouse, Wood Co OH 1830-60


>      Hello, I have a John Elder b Westmoreland Co. PA before 1810. Father
> Samuel     b. abt 1758 Ireland and immigrating to the US in 1791. John had
a
> sister that died abt. Dec 1825 and leaving gaurdianship of her four
children
> to John her brother. Her four childre were Samuel, Eliza, Jane Ann, and
> James. Thank You    VElder

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John ELDER and Mary Morehouse, Wood Co OH 1830-60

From: "Thomas L. Wilson Attorney at Law" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:56:28 -0400

My gggggrandparents were John and Mary Elder (Wright), I think they were in
Dulphin County, PA.   My dependency comes through their son Thomas Jefferson
Elder who was married to Cynthia Daniel.  Thomas and Cynthia eldest son was
William who married Sarah Hoppus.  William and Sarah had a boy named Francis
Marion who was married to Lydia (Elizabeth) Lightcap.  Francis and Lydia
Elder's oldest son Lester was my grandfather.
My John and Mary  would have been contemporaries of  the John and Mary
below.
Anyone with info on my John and Mary?

Thomas Lester Wilson
twilson@pathwaynet.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "MARY H COLE" <MARYCOLE@prodigy.net>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John ELDER and Mary Morehouse, Wood Co OH 1830-60


> I have two other John Elders in Westmoreland Co
>
> John ( James, Robert) - will probated 22 Dec 1804
> John (Thomas, Robert) - will probated 10 Nov 1800
>
> Mary Cole
> marycole@Prodigy.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <LazyVElder@aol.com>
> To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 8:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John ELDER and Mary Morehouse, Wood Co OH
1830-60
>
>
> >      Hello, I have a John Elder b Westmoreland Co. PA before 1810.
Father
> > Samuel     b. abt 1758 Ireland and immigrating to the US in 1791. John
had
> a
> > sister that died abt. Dec 1825 and leaving gaurdianship of her four
> children
> > to John her brother. Her four childre were Samuel, Eliza, Jane Ann, and
> > James. Thank You    VElder
>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: John Elder

From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:36:36 -0500

Hi Thomas Wilson:

I have a John Buchanan Elder b. 1793  in Westmoreland Co.
and wife Jane Watson b. 1805  They had eleven children
ONe of them was Jacob Elder b. 1832 in Armstrong Co. and d. 1915
His wife was Lydia A. Snyder b. 1841
They had two children
Thomas Jefferson Elder b. 1857  d. 1915 buried in Foxburg Cem, Clarian
Co.
John Elder b. 1859  d. 1869 buried in Foxburg Cem., Clarian Co.

I don't have any children of wife for Thomas Jefferson Elder in my
Directory of this family.

Could this be who you are looking for at this time.
Lee M. Elder

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John Elder

From: Sharhuff@aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:46:41 EDT

In a message dated 4/14/00 1:42:20 PM CDT, elder@wcc.net writes:

<< Hi Thomas Wilson:
 
 I have a John Buchanan Elder b. 1793  in Westmoreland Co.
 and wife Jane Watson b. 1805  They had eleven children
 ONe of them was Jacob Elder b. 1832 in Armstrong Co. and d. 1915
 His wife was Lydia A. Snyder b. 1841
 They had two children
 Thomas Jefferson Elder b. 1857  d. 1915 buried in Foxburg Cem, Clarian
 Co.
 John Elder b. 1859  d. 1869 buried in Foxburg Cem., Clarian Co.
 
 I don't have any children of wife for Thomas Jefferson Elder in my
 Directory of this family.
 
 Could this be who you are looking for at this time.
 Lee M. Elder >>


FYI:  John Buchanan ELDER  MAY HAVE BEEN born in Westmoreland Co PA, the part 
that later became Indiana Co., but there is no documented evidence on the 
family until they arrived in Butler Co. PA, the first record there of his 
father James Sr., being in 1799.  The birth of his brother David in Butler 
Co. PA is of record in 1804.

In addition, J.B.'s wife's name was Jane WATERSON, not WATSON.  In any case 
John B. would not be referred to as being from "Westmoreland Co." since if he 
was born there, the family left there when he was a small child.  He spent 
most of his life in or near Wattersonville, Washington Tp, Armstrong Co PA.

His son Jacob who married Lydia SNYDER did have two sons, John who died at age
9, and Thomas Jefferson, b 26 Dec 1857, d 1915, buried Foxburg Cemetery, 
Richland Tp., Clarion Co PA.  Thomas was an invalid; there is no record that 
he ever married, and it is unlikely that he did so.

I don't recall the original post, but don't believe this is the Thomas ELDER 
you are looking for.

Sharon A. Huffman

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John Elder

From: "Thomas L. Wilson Attorney at Law" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 07:50:45 -0400

My John Elder would have been b. in abt. 1760-70.  He started his family by
the 1800's.  His son Thomas Jefferson Elder, was b. abt. 1801-04, and he may
have had a twin brother named George Washington Elder.   Thomas Jefferson
Elder was settled in Seneca County, Ohio by the 1840's and moved to
Kosciusco County, Indiana in around 1842.

Thomas Lester Wilson
twilson@pathwaynet.com

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Subject: [Elder-News]: [Fwd: Whoa! Several more!]

From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:28:00 -0500

Here are some records that may be useful to some of you for family in
California.
Lee Elder

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http://feefhs.org/fdb2/6991/6991-119.html

Many an ELDER here.  Even refers to an ELDER, Robert, but not likely
to be mine...

Would you also forward this to the group, please?

Vince

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Subject: [Elder-News]: De Hart info for Ann

From: Watcher881@aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 01:31:40 EDT

Hi Ann,

How are you this fine day.  I lost all my email addresses and yours of course 
was one that was destroyed, but I knew I could contact you through this news 
service. 

I found some DeHart stuff that I wanted to share with you.  You may already 
have it, Im not sure but here it is.

M, Eliza Elder married Martin DeHart.  There is no info as to where he was 
born or anything.  THey had the following children. John, Tee, Telitha, 
Ellen, Nathan, James, Christopher Columbus, Martin , Alfred, Joseph, Dock and 
a girl named Cob.

Telitha DeHart married a Boyd, Tee DeHart married Jeptha Miller and had a 
child named Tennie (boy or girl?).

I still have not found any info on John Lee Elder before 1867 in Texas.  

God bless, I hope you are doing well

Jack

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:54:57 -0700

ELDER-I am leaving out the first generation because the person is still living.  We will not pick up the name ELDER until close to the end .ap
 
"Thomas Hedgcock & Martha Earls (Earles some think she was married before)
son: Minter Hedgecock/Hedgecoke & Elizabeth Telitha ELDER dau. of David ELDERS/ELDER & Susannah HYDE
son: Willis P. Hedgecocke.
Willis P. Hedgecocke & F. Eleanor MORTON; Eleanor MORTON daughter of Rufus MORTON & Sarah SHEARER; (Sarah SHEARER daughter of Spencer Shearer & Elizabeth Whitaker.
Willis P. Hedgecocke & F. Eleanor MORTON
son: Escar Vaughan Hedgecoke he married Maria Louise Trumble and they had
other children..."
Children still living....................................................................................................................................................................
 
Father of this David ELDER was a William ELDER who died 1817 in NC according to the descendants; they think that his wife was possibly a Mary. "The William R. Elder listed as one of David Elder and wife Susannah Hyde (wife)I could not locate them in the Tennessee in 1850, the 1860 census in Texas was unreadable.  Melitta (first wife of William R. Elder) must have died after this census.› William R. Elder married a widow, Mrs. Martha Boren.  There was a David Elder buying and selling land in Lincoln County about 1773-1795." This David Elder was not born until about 1795."I wish I could put you in contact with the other Texas Elder's.  There were numerous descendants of John Lee Elder living in McCullock County, TX and nearby in the 1920s-30s." If anyone has›information›about this family would appreciate hearing from you. Will share the information. I have found the SHEARER name in PA. Thank you, Ann

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Subject: [Elder-News]: John Lee Elder

From: Lee Elder <elder@wcc.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:40:24 -0500

Hi Jack:
I have John Lee Elder and his wife Laure Josephine Rochelle in one of my
Elder Directories.
They have two children:
Lea Elder
Hildrel M. Elder

John Lee Elder had a second wife: Billie Stephens -  No Children
Be glad to hear from you.
Lee M. Elder

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: John Lee Elder

From: Watcher881@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:18:48 EDT

Hi Lee,

THanks for the info, thats probalby not my John Lee Elder, but it might be 
one of his decendants.  Do you have any dates on him?  Thanks for the info 
you sent via snail mail too.

My John Lee Elder married first, Sarah Ammons, then Cathrine Dudley and 
finally he married Mrs Sarah J Saunders.  I think you have her maiden name as 
Barefoot.  Do you know where that came from?  I would like to find out, I 
found a man named Barefoot as a witness for her at one time as well.

Jack

In a message dated 4/28/00 11:43:29 AM Central Daylight Time, elder@wcc.net 
writes:

> Hi Jack:
>  I have John Lee Elder and his wife Laure Josephine Rochelle in one of my
>  Elder Directories.
>  They have two children:
>  Lea Elder
>  Hildrel M. Elder
>  
>  John Lee Elder had a second wife: Billie Stephens -  No Children
>  Be glad to hear from you.
>  Lee M. Elder

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: Ann Elder <aelder@lightspeed.net>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:36:41 -0700

 

 This is the problem area for the Elder's found in E. Tennessee; they have been proven, wills exist, marriage records bonds and now someone has attempted to take this family without thought of the brother,sisters and children left behind.  I do not understand why anyone wants ancestors who are not theirs?"Samuel b. 1734 d. 13 Apr 1813 m. Mary Robinson Maryland 1. Robert b. abt 1775 - res. Jefferson Co, Tn
 2. John b. 1777 m. Esther McKinley - res. Sevier Co, Tn
 3. William b. abt 1780 m. Rebecca Cates
 4. Samuel b. 1784
 5. James b. 1786"›We know the part in bold in not true and could not be true.  Someone has removed Samuel Elder from Sevier Co TN. and his wife Hannah (maiden name unknown) does not exist to them. #1.Robert Elder married Sarah Moore first and (2) Mrs. Mary Witt. We have the bonds, deeds and records. #2 John Elder named in his father's will, married Nancy Sullins. #4 Samuel son of the above Samuel married Phoebe Clinkenbeard and they had twenty children. #3. My ancestor William Elder and that was not changed. Which would stand to reason this was sent to me. #5 James Elder, Samuel and Hannah Elder did not have a child named James Elder."

Ann,
I appreciate all of your hard work to clear any mistakes on the Elder line.  Your message is very interesting to me.  But I am confused on what is correct.  

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: Ann Elder <aelder@lightspeed.net>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:50:57 -0700

 

elderbrooks wrote:

ELDER- the first post about the Elder's was from another a source I cannot mention. The second post was the UGC. Ann P

Ann,
I am new - so please explain UGC.
Thank you

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 21:37:53 -0700

ELDER
 
"Robert Elder b.ca 1679 Scotland. He was in Ireland by›1727 in America by 1730; 28 Jul 1746 Paxtang, Lancaster Co, Pa (now Daulphin) m. Eleanor (?Gillespie)" (they were married before they came to this country) see "Pennsylvania Genealogies" by William Henry Egle, M.D., P.A., and other material by Egle.
 
"1. Robert Elder b. 1704 m. d. 1807
a)›James (named in brother›John's will in 1756) - James exec.›
the will was still alive in 1756. Will York Co, Pa Will book H,
page 44 - James Elder dated 7 Jan 1788 proved 28 Jan 1790 abt 1789.
 1. Mary, 2. Andrew, 3. Joseph,›4. Benjamin, 5. Rosana,›6. James.
 
* 2. John b. abt 1730 d. unmarried Dec 1756 will Lancaster Co, Ps
 named her brother James as Exec". (I do not understand this statement) ap

" Robert b. abt 1732 m. (1) Miss Cole (2) Mary Taylor - resident of Indiana Co, Pa
1. Joshua/Joseph raised by Cole family, 2. James, David, Robert, Ann."
 
The above names have been taken from "Pennsylvania Genealogies" by William Henry Egle, M.D., P.A.

This is the problem area for the Elder's found in E. Tennessee; they have been proven, wills exist, marriage records bonds and now someone has attempted to take this family without thought of the brother,sisters and children left behind.  I do not understand why anyone wants ancestors who are›not theirs?
 
"Samuel b. 1734 d. 13 Apr 1813 m. Mary Robinson›Maryland
 1. Robert b. abt 1775 - res. Jefferson Co, Tn
 2. John b. 1777 m. Esther McKinley - res. Sevier Co, Tn
 3. William b. abt 1780 m. Rebecca Cates
 4. Samuel b. 1784
 5. James b. 1786"
We know the part in bold in not true and could not be true.  Someone has removed Samuel Elder from Sevier Co TN. and his wife Hannah (maiden name unknown) does not exist to them. #1.Robert Elder married Sarah Moore first and (2) Mrs. Mary Witt. We have the bonds, deeds and records. #2 John Elder named in his father's will, married Nancy Sullins. #4 Samuel son of the above Samuel married Phoebe Clinkenbeard and they had twenty children. #3. My ancestor William Elder and that was not changed. Which would stand to reason›this was sent to me. #5 James Elder, Samuel and Hannah Elder did not have a child named James Elder."›
 
I am aware that in the 1980's a person looking for›their link to our Elder's did have the Universal Genealogy Center in Salt Lake City work on his several different family lines. Their FGS which the UGC made for  him concerning our Elder family were sent to me›by, the UGC. UGC stated very little information could be found in Jefferson County, TN. They were looking for published work. They requested information on this Elder family, I sent them several wills and deeds. The gentleman called me long distance and I was perfectly willing to give him the information. The information the UGC sent is similiar to the above.  They are all wrong. Within the past 18 months I have received some very strange query's.  When I gave the information which is correct, I was told how wrong I was.›There is a lot more to this.›Ann Poe
 
 

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 22:08:28 -0700

ELDER
This is a continuation of the first information sent concerning the Tennessee Elder's mixed in with the Pennsylvania Elder's.
The UGC apparently tried hard to get the Elder's in order, the first part is not at all in order.
"Robert Elder b. 1704 in Prob Edinburg, Scotland; died Prob. Lincoln Co North Carolina" No proof is shown here and NO DATE. ap
"Father was Robert Elder and mother Eleanor. Robert married Mrs. Robert Elder b. Abt. 1707 Of Dauphin County, Pennsylvania."
"1. John Elder b. 1730 Dauphin PA died Dec 1756; no record of marriage.
2. Robert Elder b. 1732 Hanover Township, Dauphin Co PA died 1790 married (2) Mary Taylor.
3. Samuel Elder b. 1734 married Mary Robinson
4. Isabel Elder b. 1736 married Adam Breaden
5. David Elder b. 1738
6. Elizabeth Elder born 1740
 
1. Elder Family (929.273 B264e)
2. Deeds, Lincoln County, North Carolina
#2 Robert and married (1) Miss Cole"  I recognize the names from PA. I have no answers to the way this was put together. "Family group entry; please send all names to Ogden Temple for all ordinance work. * = ordinance in process." I did not author this, the credit belongs to the Universal Genealogy Center, Salt Lake City, Utah. (Ann Poe)
 
Then we have Peter Elder: "Peter Elder b. Abt 1740 of Surry County, NC; d. WP May 1804 Surry County, NC wife Elizabeth b. Abt 1745 of Surry County NC: Children:
William Elder 1765 Surry Co NC
Peter Elder 1767 Surry Co NC
Patty Elder 1769 Surry Co NC married Head
Amey Elder 1771 Surry Co NC m. Casey
Ephriam Elder, 1773 Surry
Susannah Elder, 1775 m. Ayers
Nancy Elder 1778›Surry Co. m. Robinson
Polly Elder  1779 Surry Co m. Babit
Sarah Elder 1781 Surry Co m. Debenport
 
1. Will of Husb. Surry Co., N.C. BK 3, p. 69 (019972)
2. Deeds, Surry Co., NC. (975.665 R2b)     Family group entry; please send all names to Ogden Temple for ordinance work.  *= ordinance in process." Author of above: Universal Genealogy Center, Salt Lake City, Utah..    (Ann Poe)
 
The UGC has the Robert Elder who came >from Scotland through Ireland whose wife was Eleanor very close to Egle's history. ap
The UGC covered most of the children and then went to William Elder and Rebecca Cates?
 
 
 

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 22:12:27 -0700

ELDER- the first post about the Elder's was from another a source I cannot mention. The second post was the UGC. Ann P

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 01:01:57 -0700

    Hi Ann,
 
Our line is the Samuel Elder who died in Sevier County, TN. 1811 and his wife was Hannah maiden name unknown. They had Robert, Andrew, William, John, Jacob and Samuel (Jr.) he married Phebe Clinkenbeard and they had twenty children.  Phebe out lived him.  I see to recall your ancestor is also my direct ancestor William Elder and wife Rebecca Cates.  I have your email address I will send you Samuel's will now if you would like.  We know our Elder's.  This is only the start.  I had notice for about 18 months I had some very strange emails.  I've worked as hard as anyone and more than some.  I know who the people are that have done this.  I actually worked with one of them and the one who sent me this "very secret email" I do  not know but I had posted a lot of information.  I think the Robert Elder of Lincoln Co NC was the clincher, I do not know that he is the father of our Samuel Elder, it is possible. I think from all the ten pages she sent me some months ago she wants that Robert.  My whole attitude toward that is "take him please" just do not mess with my own proven family. I think it was very rude when she wrote me that she was sending me her line and I must promise not to reveal it all it I received was ten pages of names in row after row.  I will not brake my promise which under the circumstances I do not feel obligated to keep. She had no information that I had not had other than our ELDER's. The correct part was copied from William Henry Egle, M.D., P.A. books.
 
Have you been to Salt Lake City, there are rows of little shops or tiny spaces, everyone does family research.  I had a confrontation with the UGC.  They finally asked me to send them everything and they would pay for the copies, come on people, I have two huge filing cabinets, one small one, shelves in the closet and stuff all over the floor, the top of everything it is a mess. Why do they want that little group of Elder's?
 
I will be back in touch with you Ann, thank you for writing,
 
Ann P.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:aelder@lightspeed.net>Ann Elder
To: <mailto:elder-news@intrepid.net>elder-news@intrepid.net
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

 

 This is the problem area for the Elder's found in E. Tennessee; they have been proven, wills exist, marriage records bonds and now someone has attempted to take this family without thought of the brother,sisters and children left behind.  I do not understand why anyone wants ancestors who are not theirs? "Samuel b. 1734 d. 13 Apr 1813 m. Mary Robinson Maryland
1. Robert b. abt 1775 - res. Jefferson Co, Tn
2. John b. 1777 m. Esther McKinley - res. Sevier Co, Tn›
3. William b. abt 1780 m. Rebecca Cates›>>This is correct or about.
4. Samuel b. 1784
5. James b. 1786"›
 
We know the part in bold in not true and could not be true.  Someone has removed Samuel Elder from Sevier Co TN. and his wife Hannah (maiden name unknown) does not exist to them. #1.Robert Elder married Sarah Moore first and (2) Mrs. Mary Witt. We have the bonds, deeds and records. #2 John Elder named in his father's will, married Nancy Sullins. #4 Samuel son of the above Samuel married Phoebe Clinkenbeard and they had twenty children. #3. My ancestor William Elder and that was not changed. Which would stand to reason this was sent to me. #5 James Elder, Samuel and Hannah Elder did not have a child named James Elder."

Ann,
I appreciate all of your hard work to clear any mistakes on the Elder line.  Your message is very interesting to me.  But I am confused on what is correct.  

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 01:05:01 -0700

    A person who was having his ancestry traced by some genealogist in Salt Lake City used a company called Universal Genealogy Center.  They have them all over the place. Ann we are O.K. I will explain. Some will not be explained here.  There is more to follow, not tonight.
 
Ann

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:aelder@lightspeed.net>Ann Elder
To: <mailto:elder-news@intrepid.net>elder-news@intrepid.net
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

 

elderbrooks wrote:

ELDER- the first post about the Elder's was from another a source I cannot mention. The second post was the UGC. Ann P

Ann,
I am new - so please explain UGC.
Thank you

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Subject: [Elder-News]: John Milton Elder

From: "Robert D. Kolb" <rdkolb@firstep.com>
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:26:17 -0700

Dear All,

I have been searching for a few years for any information related to John
Milton Elder b. 6-29-1822 in Crittenden CO, KY and d. 7-8-1895 Fairfield,
Clay CO, Neb. Does anyone have any info on this person? I am a descendant of
the daughter of Olive Pearl Elder b. 4-24-1882 in Spring Ranch, Clay CO.
Neb. and am particulary interested in any family history - where the family
lived, what kind of work did they do, why they moved so much, etc.

Any info would be greatly appreciated, 

RDKolb
<http://216.15.24.105>

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:56:46 -0700

ELDER-I have seen several looking for John Elder of Randolph County NC. A friend and researcher sent me the following information:
Elders, 1666-1900: John ELDER, Randolph County, 1887, WB 16 p.29; John Elder, Iredell, 1822, WB 2, p.115; John Elder Sr. Randolph, 1834, WB 6 p.358; Peter Elder (which you all know), Surry, 1804, WB 3, p.63.  Ann P.
 

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:25:58 -0700

Ann,
 
This is not correct, but it has been used and I can prove it wrong.  I will write more, but I have a new computer which just arrived, I dread going through the download and loading it again.  This PC is not old, I have had some real problems with it and I have one they call "on site maintenance" that means we will talk to you all day on the tel. to help you fix it.  I have used a Dell at work for four years and love it.  This is a Dell, I understand the problems I am having are common at this point in time, I am sure Dell will correct their new computers, but this one is less than a year old.  I can use the monitor, the key board, speakers I only needed to get a new (as they call it) "box" which is the computer/engine that makes it work.  No I am not happy about the waste of money.
 
I am going to vacation in two weeks, thank goodness.
 
I am home from work today, and came home yesterday, I have hives, I have had this before.  My manager is best described by ignoring him.  If I have them Monday I am going back to the Dr. and I do not intend to go to work.  I have the leave.
 
The hives lead to the following:  I found a researcher for Lincoln Co NC, I sure like her and hope it works.  She is in the perfect place and we talked like "old friends".  I may try to see her when we are on vacation.  It takes time to do the work, the Elder's named in the will of Samuel Elder are correct.  I have the copies of the will, his children etc.  I go to William then to Samuel and Samuel was married to Hannah.
 
I will be back in touch, we will do this computer stuff this weekend, although I would just as soon wait because of the virus.
 
Take care,
 
Ann P.

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:aelder@lightspeed.net>Ann Elder
To: <mailto:elder-news@intrepid.net>elder-news@intrepid.net
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: ELDER

 

 This is the problem area for the Elder's found in E. Tennessee; they have been proven, wills exist, marriage records bonds and now someone has attempted to take this family without thought of the brother,sisters and children left behind.  I do not understand why anyone wants ancestors who are not theirs?"Samuel b. 1734 d. 13 Apr 1813 m. Mary Robinson Maryland 1. Robert b. abt 1775 - res. Jefferson Co, Tn
 2. John b. 1777 m. Esther McKinley - res. Sevier Co, Tn
 3. William b. abt 1780 m. Rebecca Cates
 4. Samuel b. 1784
 5. James b. 1786"›We know the part in bold in not true and could not be true.  Someone has removed Samuel Elder from Sevier Co TN. and his wife Hannah (maiden name unknown) does not exist to them. #1.Robert Elder married Sarah Moore first and (2) Mrs. Mary Witt. We have the bonds, deeds and records. #2 John Elder named in his father's will, married Nancy Sullins. #4 Samuel son of the above Samuel married Phoebe Clinkenbeard and they had twenty children. #3. My ancestor William Elder and that was not changed. Which would stand to reason this was sent to me. #5 James Elder, Samuel and Hannah Elder did not have a child named James Elder."

Ann,
I appreciate all of your hard work to clear any mistakes on the Elder line.  Your message is very interesting to me.  But I am confused on what is correct.  

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: ELDER RESEARCH

From: JOHN <apuabu@redrose.net>
Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 07:25:45 -0400


> HI:
> Looking for info on GEORGE ELDER of CAMBRIA CO. PA.
> born 5-4-1858 died abt 1901 -1910 in or around CRESSON PA.
> sister was HELEN  SOPHIA born 1855, parents were JAMES ELDER
> and SARAH  HOWELL.
>
> JOHN
> apuabu@redrose.net

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Ancestral File Frame

From: "Thomas L. Wilson Attorney at Law" <twilson@pathwaynet.com>
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 07:40:23 -0400

I am still searching for information on John Elder and Mary Wright, here is there Family Search Information.

 <http://www.familysearch.org/Search/af/ancestral_file_frame.asp?recid=41495751>http://www.familysearch.org/Search/af/ancestral_file_frame.asp?recid=41495751
 
Thomas L. Wilson
<mailto:twilson@pathwaynet.com>twilson@pathwaynet.com
Content-Type: application/octet-stream;
	name="Ancestral File Frame.url"
Content-Disposition: attachment;
	filename="Ancestral File Frame.url"

Attachment converted: Macintosh  HD:Ancestral File Frame.url (????/----) (0003DEA0)

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Re: ELDER RESEARCH

From: JOHN <apuabu@redrose.net>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:50:50 -0400


JOHN wrote:

> > HI:
> > Looking for info on GEORGE ELDER of CAMBRIA CO. PA.
> > born 5-4-1858 died abt 1901 -1910 in or around CRESSON PA.
> > sister was HELEN  SOPHIA born 1855, parents were JAMES ELDER
> > and SARAH  HOWELL.
> >
> > JOHN
> > apuabu@redrose.net

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Re: ELDER RESEARCH

From: Terencepau@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:59:07 EDT

Homer Thomas Elder married Peg Kelley in Colorado about 1904-1915.
Homer  may have had a brother named George...
Terence Kelley

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: Re: ELDER RESEARCH

From: JOHN <apuabu@redrose.net>
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 10:37:30 -0400

i have a elder that moved to leadville co. around 1890
his name was THOMASE ELDER his fathers name was GEORGE

Terencepau@aol.com wrote:

> Homer Thomas Elder married Peg Kelley in Colorado about 1904-1915.
> Homer  may have had a brother named George...
> Terence Kelley

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Who are these Men? Hedgecoke and Elder

From: Watcher881@aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:32:08 EDT

Does anyone know who these people are?

Samuel Elder and Thomas Hedgecoke were listed on a "list of names found in A 
HISTORY OF REPUBLIC COUNTY, KANSAS, FIRST SETTLEMENT DOWN TO JUNE 1st, 1883, 
I. O. Savage, Topeka, Kansas, Daily Capital Printing House, Printers, 1883, 
pg. 25. This book is found in the KANSA Room at the Kansas City, Kansas 
Public Library. The Kansas Collection Librarian is Georgia Slaughter at 
gslaug@kckpl. lib.ks.us"

I had considered that this might be the Thomas Hedgecoke who was the father 
of Minter, but Jim Hedgecoke told me that Minter's father died in the 1840s. 
So who is it?

Here are the rest of the names.  
Beebe, Charles W.
Beers, Horace
Bonham, William
Campbell, Charles A.
Campbell, William T.
Cooly, Adams E.
Cooly, Hudson
Cory, David
Cory, J. W.
Daughertee, Milton A.
Eckert, Thomas J.
Elder, Samuel
Frint, John H.
Hardaker, William
Hedgecoke, Thomas
Isaacs, John G.
Jackson, Hiram 
Johnson, Hilbert
Kunkel, Noah
McChesney, George
McFarlane, John
McIntire, John
Meyers, Conrad
Meyers, Daniel
Meyers, Joseph  Morland, Daniel
Newlon, William W.
Oliver, Lanty
Oliver, William
Powell, Edmund
Reily, John C.
Reily, T. C.
Rowe, Z. P.
Sayler, B. F.
Shafer, George
Shafer, Jacob
Shafer, William
Smock, J. H
Spielman, West Union
Swan, John W.
Swan, Robert
Trowbridge, George J.
Van Natta, J. E.
Vining, Henry
Way, Philo P.
Wilcox, George W.
Willoughby, Augustus
Willoughby, George S.
Willoughby, W. H.
Young, Michael  

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Subject: [Elder-News]: ELDER

From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:25:02 -0700

Hi Elder's - Does the name Joseph Davis Elder match with any of your Elder's?  Born before 1769. Sounds like VA?  Thanks, Ann P.

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Subject: [Elder-News]: My family

From: Watcher881@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:42:48 EDT

I guess I should post again my lineage and who Im looking for.

My great grandmother was Carintha A Elder.  She was the daughter of Rev John 
Lee Elder, and teh grandaughter of Rev David Elder. David Elder was the son 
of William Elder.   This is not the William Elder who married Ms Cates.  

David was born in Lincoln County NC.  He married Sussanah Hyde and they had 
several children.  

Jack

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: My family

From: "elderbrooks" <elderbrooks@email.msn.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:10:46 -0700

    Oh Jack,
How funny, "Ms. Cates", she would have no idea what we are talking about.  I
had your information, I am just fishing for something that might give us
another name.  It fine.  I really think a solution for David will be easier?
I keep thinking he is from the VA Elder's, I have no reason.

Have a great week,

Ann P.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Watcher881@aol.com>
To: <elder-news@intrepid.net>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 8:42 AM
Subject: [Elder-News]: My family


> I guess I should post again my lineage and who Im looking for.
>
> My great grandmother was Carintha A Elder.  She was the daughter of Rev
John
> Lee Elder, and teh grandaughter of Rev David Elder. David Elder was the
son
> of William Elder.   This is not the William Elder who married Ms Cates.
>
> David was born in Lincoln County NC.  He married Sussanah Hyde and they
had
> several children.
>
> Jack

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Subject: Re: [Elder-News]: My family

From: Watcher881@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:01:27 EDT

In a message dated 5/29/00 8:15:04 PM Central Daylight Time, 
elderbrooks@email.msn.com writes:

>     Oh Jack,
>  How funny, "Ms. Cates", she would have no idea what we are talking about.  
I
>  had your information, I am just fishing for something that might give us
>  another name.  It fine.  I really think a solution for David will be 
easier?
>  I keep thinking he is from the VA Elder's, I have no reason.
>  
>  Have a great week,
>  
>  Ann P

I was just throwing my ancestors out there hoping maybe one of those "silent 
partners" on teh elder list might be a decendant of my family somewhere.  I 
do that on all my lists occasionally.
Jack

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Thomas Elder

From: Ether43@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 21:09:38 EDT

Hello list:
There has been some question about the maiden name of Rebecca  ,wife of 
Thomas Elder. He was the son of John Elder and Mary Carouthers of Indiana 
Co., PA.

Does anyone have an answer?

Nancy

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Subject: [Elder-News]: Martha Elder wife of J. T. Smith

From: "Lawrence D. Weems" <lweems@coin.org>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:36:48 -0500

Hi all,

Question, please.

My database is under construction, as it were, and I have a link missing.
Would appreciate some help.

Joseph Thomas Smith of Georgia married Susan Melody Mings (S is still in
question), who was born 18 NOV 1847 in Upshur Co., Texas and died 1 JUN 1920
in Big Sandy, Upshur Co., TX, buried at Mings' Cemetery in Rocky, TX.
She was my GG Grandmother, by virtue of her marriage to Smith and their son
Thomas William Smith b 17 AUG 1876 in Donaldson Hunt Co., TX d 22 JAN 1944
Big Sandy, Upshur Co., TX.

I need to make the link thru Susan Melody Mings parents.
I show her father as "Mings" with no data and her mother as Martha Elder 24
SEP 1829 to 21 AUG 1916, buried Ming's Cemetery, Rocky, Texas.

In runing my database I come up with a Mary Elder born on this same date.
There is a Martha Elder in that family, but born about 13 years later.
Practically speaking, she isn't the Martha that I need, nor could she have
been a twin and lived long enough to marry, as there is a Martha in 1842.

The unusual thing about this couple, for me, is that Susan Melody Mings
later married Edmund Eli Elder 1833-1909, who had first married  Susan Ann
Hale. Their daughter Martha Eugenia Tarpie Zoeula Elder is the lady who
married Thomas William Smith, son of J.T. and Mings.
So, Edmund Eli Elder is my GG Grandfather and Susan Melody Mings is my GG
Grandmother, but by two other unions, not their specific marriage.

For those keeping score:
Martha Eugenia Tarpie Zoeula Elder 21 NOV 1880 Siepe Springs, Eastland Texas
to 9 DEC 1960 Peoria, Illinois and Thomas William Smith 17 AUG 1876
Donaldson, Hunt Co., TX to 22 JAN 1944 Big Sandy, Upshur Co., TX married 23
DEC 1894.  Issue:
Lambert Worthy Smith 15 SEP 1899 to 12 JAN 1951
Winton Ellsworth Smith 15 APR 1902 to 16 APR 1951
Joyce Smith 4 DEC 1903 to 27 DEC 1908
Nathalie Smith 7 FEB 1911 to 24 JAN 1999

Nathalie, we find since her passing, did spell her name with an H, though
she never spelled it that way to any of her childrens knowledge.
Nathalie m Burrell Avery Huffman 24 NOV 1906 Ft. Smith, Crawford Co.,
Arkansas to 12 JUN 1977 Las Vegas, Clark Co., Nevada married 9 MAR 1929 in
Jacksonville, Texas.

Children include Joyce Dawn Huffman (I'm copying Joyce, my mother. If she
wants to make her dates available, I'll leave that up to her)
Married Forrest Duane Weems.  Issue:
Lawrence Duane Weems (that's'a me) 29 MAR 1951

Would appreciate some help.

Thanks,
Larry
--
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"In answering any Genealogy questions, please include sufficient information
that I may be able to find the person in my database--cold. Thank you.
Larry"

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