June 1996 Elder Sharing List Archive

Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 06:53:03 -0400
To: elder-news@intrepid.net
From: snow@caribnet.net (Steve/Betty Snow)
Subject: Elder, Mary

We are still looking for information about Mary Jane ELDER (@1842, TN-1930 Lawrence Co, AR), her siblings and ancestry. We know nothing about her parents and siblings. We know a lot about her descendants as she is Steve's paternal Great-great-grandparents

I was able to get a copy of the index for the 1850 TN census (at which time our Mary Jane would have been about 8 years old.)

The following are entries which MIGHT include her. I hope that some of you might help provide me with further information about these families which will help me know which avenue to next pursue.

(Possible mention in 1850 TN Census for Mary Jane might be hidden here): 1. David ELDER 35, Matilda 35, James 10, George 7, Mary , William 4,
Thomas 3, Lucey 1, Va.Va, Gi 48-621 or

2. Robert ELDER, 70, Mary 40, William 17, Sarah Ann15, Emaline 14,
Mahala7, Clarissa 5, Amanda 3, Martha 1, VA,VA, Me-432-768 or

3. William ELDER 34, Mary A. 28, Andrew W., 9, Mary A. 7, Elizabeth
P. 3, Ja?e 1, AL, AL, Ms 513-126 (Realize this has wrong middle initial, but have seen such turn out to be the same person) or

4. Priest ELDERS 38, Moses 14, Louisa 13, Mary 9, Wm 1 TT Bo-345-51)

(On the surface, this latter looks like it fits best, but also, I don't know the identity of any of these counties--anybody able to tell me Gi, Me, Ms, and TT for TN?)

My Mary Jane ELDER @ 1857 in Lawrence Co, AR m George W. SNOW (12 Jun 1836, Hamilton Co, TN-28 Sep 1876, Tiptonville, Lake Co, TN, bur Cronansville Cem) George and Mary were married about 1857, but we have not found documentation of the marriage. We suspect it was either in eastern TN or one of the states bordering that area.

(In 1850 TN census: William 42, Mary 36, George 15, Elizabeth 13, Sarah 9, James 8, Tennessee4, James RAY 10, NC,T H-1210-907)

My Mary Jane ELDER married, soon after George's death in 1876, Bill BOTTOM. We suspect this to be William Y. BOTTOMS (@1857, TN-), a brother of Steve's maternal great-grandfather. (On the 1880 AR, Lawrence Co, Campbell Twp, p 111 #140/145 is a Wm BOTTOMS, farm Laborer, born in TN with parents both b in TN--probably also the same person)

Can anyone recogize this missing lady? Maybe she or her family is in your Elder family records.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Stephen R. Snow and Betty Snow

American Embassy, Bridgetown or U.S. Embassy FPO AA 34055-0002 P.O. Box 302
U.S.A. Bridgetown, Barbados

e-mail: snow@caribnet.net (Please no zipped files.) fax: 809-429-5246 (Please use snail mail unless agreed otherwise.) phone: 809-436-5637

Dear List,

Antipodean Greetings!

I am researching several probably linked lines of Elder in Scotland pre 1700 - 1900 to determine how and if they are related. I would be pleased to hear from anyone interested in the following people and their ancestors and descendants.

1) My immediate line begins with an ALEXANDER ELDER Farmer, Avoch near Rosmarkie

His son was JOHN ELDER Farmer 1767?- d1822, married JANE AIRD 1772 -1850 and lived initially at the farm Corslate near Rosmarkie. Their children include Ann 1806, Donald 1808, Andrew 1810, Jane 1812, Elizabeth 1815, KENNETH (Leitch) ELDER 1817, Isabel 1819, Johanna 1822.

KENNETH ELDER 1817 - 1860 Flax Mill Overseer/Commercial Clerk, my great-great- grandfather, married MARY HIRD 1830-1862 in Montrose and they had several children who died in infancy with only my great-grandfather WILLIAM HIRD ELDER 1851-1915 surviving. In 1870 he moved to London, married Charlotte Matilda Berrie of Inverkeithing (nr Edinburgh) in 1873 and in 1895 moved to Liverpool with his four sons who survived, and other children. He was an East India Merchant.

I know the subsequent lineage completely through WILLIAM HIRD ELDER's sons including CHARLES BRUCE ELDER, my grandfather and KATHLEEN ELSA ELDER, my mother. I am interested in collateral lines at any level of the family tree and the ancestry of Alexander Elder.

2) An allegedly linked line is that of THOMAS ELDER 1737-1799 Lord Provost of Edinburgh and Postmaster General of Scotland, former wine merchant who married Elizabeth Man. They had one son WILLIAM ELDER and their eldest of 4 daughters, Isabella, married the Principal of Edinburgh University, George Husband Baird 1761-1840. This line begins with William Elder Engineer in 17th century, then Alexander Elder of Forres near Inverness, his son William Elder of Loaning near Pitlochry b ca 1710 to 1780 at least, father of Thomas above and of Charles 1749-1823. Charles was in the Royal Navy and taken prisoner by the Americans in 1777 for 13 months with an address at Rhode Island. Later appointed to Lord Howe's flagship *The Eagle* and in action against the French off Rhode Island in 1778. I would be interested to hear from anyone who knows more about the origin of Alexander Elder in this line, and about any collateral lines.

3) I am also interested in the origin of the great Australian pastoralist line of Elders which we have traced back through the founder of Elders IXL, George Elder 1785-1868 of Kirkcaldy, Scotland, whose father was William Elder 1755-1846 a glover of Leith who married Agnes Bain 17??-1832 in 1782. It is understood that this line is linked to that of 2) above but the manner is not known. We have an extensive descendant tree for this line.

4) I have a rather garbled and certainly unreliable tree for the link between lines 2) & 3) above which mixes generations and has other confusions. This tree includes mention of several SKYE Elders circa 1800. It also links Alexander Elder of Forres to a brother GEORGE ELDER who went to America and was never heard of again. This would have to be in the late 1600s. The parents of Alexander and George are said to be Rodorick Elder and Christain McCuin (sic) and Rodorick's parents to be Rodorick Elder and Christian McDonald.

Abbie Angharad Hughes
abbies@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au

We now have over 60 members of the Elder News Sharing List. I would like to ask a favor of all of you if I might (it's purely optional though). Please send me an e-mail with the following information in the message area:

1) Name:
2) E-mail (that you subscribed to the list with):
3) Areas where you are researching Elders (states & time periods):
4) Would you like this information posted on the Elder News Web Page: YES or NO
5) And anything else you would like to send.....

Unfortunately when you sign up for the Elder-News Sharing list the only information I receive (as the List Mom) about you is: #1 that you subscribed; and #2 your e-mail address. (No names or other identifying information.)

Thanks for your help with this. For those who answer YES to question #4, I will let you know as soon as the page is up on the server.

Happy Hunting

- donna

>1) Name: Steve & Betty Snow

>2) E-mail (that you subscribed to the list with): snow @ caribnet.net

>3) Areas where you are researching Elders (states & time periods): TN and nearby states

1) Name: Dean H.Elder
2) E-mail: delder@azstarnet.com
3) Areas where you are researching Elders (states & time periods): North Carolina,Iredell County,1790
Do you have any information on Elder's from Chester County,PA that may have migrated to NC?

1) Gary Morrison
2) gmorrison@usa.pipeline.com
3) Alexander Johnson Elder (Marcia Jane Baker) circa 1850 in OH and Elders 1860 forward in Davis Co, Iowa
4) YES
5) Nothing more at this time.

--
Gary Morrison
722 SE Peterson
Ankeny, Iowa 50021
gmorrison@pipeline.com

Researching surnames - BAKER, ELDER, FARR, FORSYTH(E), KNOX, MORRISON, ROBERTSON, SEXTON, SIDWELL, THARP

>1) Name:
James P. Golden
>2) E-mail (that you subscribed to the list with):
jgolden@surfsouth.com
>3) Areas where you are researching Elders (states & time periods):
Virginia: Richmond County, 1700-1730
Dinwiddie County, 1730-1770
Brunswick County, 1770-1790
Campbell County, 1800
>4) Would you like this information posted on the Elder News Web Page:
Yes
>5) And anything else you would like to send.....
Related families: BIGGS, MATHEWS

You are doing a great job. I just wish I had someone like you researching my other lines.

Thanks,

Jim

Hi Donna! you're doing a great job. Here's my info: Name: Penny Johnson
Email: pjohnson@baraboo.com
Elder areas: Starting with Jesse Elder (b. 1788, NC d. 1850/60 KY)
Pulaski and Casey Counties, Kentucky 1814-1860 Holt County, Missouri 1860-present
(Special note on Holt Co. MO -- my great-uncle, David Elder, is the resident expert on Elders in that county. I have copies of most of his information!)
YES, please post.

Thanks!

My name is Leda E. Behseresht but I am actually subscribing for a friend of mine. He name is Mara Lynn Elder.

Mara's line is as follows:

1. Mara Lynn ELDER, daughter of
2. Michael (Muldoon) ELDER (m Marilyn Day Martin), son of
3. Lewis (Tenny) Alexius ELDER (m Miriam Josephine Reagan), son of
4. William Alexius ELDER (m Mary Eliza Lewis), son of
5. Edward ELDER (m Annie Genevieve), son of
6. Henry ELDER (m Ann Dyer), son of
7. Richard ELDER (m Mary Ann Mudd), son of
8. Charles ELDER (m Julia Ward), son of
9. William ELDER (m Ann Wheeler), son of
10. William ELDER (m Elizabeth Finch).

Mara gave me a pedigree chart with this information, but it doesn't have any documentation. This is why I've subscribed. I'd like to get the documentation for her. (Her parents divorced when she was an infant and she was latter adopted by her stepfather. She has taken the Elder name back, but it's difficult for her to do her own Elder research...she's in daily contact with her mother.)

If you are accepting third-party researchers on the Web page, I would be interested.

Your ELDER Web pages are wonderful. Thank you.

Leda E. Behseresht
3961 Via Marisol, #125
Los Angeles, CA 90042
(213) 221-9422

leda@netvoyage.net

Abbie Angharad Hughes
abbies@ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au
Researching Elder in Scotland 1650 - 1900
1) Family of John Elder Rosmarkie 1767 - 1822 ancestors and descendants
including Kenneth Leach (Leitch) Elder Montrose 1817 - 1860 & William Hird Elder Montrose, London, Liverpool 1851 - 1915
2) Family of Thomas Elder Lord Provost of Edinburgh 1790s, b 1737 - 1799
including his father William Elder of Loaning ca 1710 - ca 1780 and grandfather pbbly Alexander Elder Forness (Thornbury Park)
3) The line of the Australian Pastoralists Elders IXL from and before
William Elder b 1755 Glover of Leith, Edinburgh and his son George Elder Merchant of Kircaldy
4) All of these families are supposed to be linked to a Rodorick Elder
and his father also Rodorick Elder presumably in 1600s and an engineer William Elder late 1600s. A son of the second Rodorick and his wife Christian McCuin went to America and was not heard of again, George Elder.

Please post this information.

Best Wishes,

Abbie

1. Launa Blair
2. ABJZ90A@prodigy.com
3. John L. Elder/ John L. Elder, Jr. Clarke County, Georgia 1870- 1860"s
4. Yes

1> Bart Elder
2> Barte@pacifier.com
3> Oregon 1845 to currant, Tennessee 1800 to 1850
4> yes
5> Great list, keep up the good work Donna!

Donna,

Here's the info you requested. I haven't really done any Elder research on my own... I was given a lot of info by Mike Bradshaw who I'm related to through Elder and Jarboe lines both!

>1) Name: Sherry Holthe

>2) E-mail (that you subscribed to the list with): SherDH@aol.com

>3) Areas where you are researching Elders (states & time periods): See my
note above.

>4) Would you like this information posted on the Elder News Web Page: YES

>5) And anything else you would like to send.....
I'm descended from both Charity b 1794 and Clotilda Elder b abt 1792, daughters of William Elder b 1757. Their grandchildren (my great grandparents), Cecelia Victoria Bruner and John Layfayette Melton married in 1871 in IL. I'd love to "meet" other descendants of Charity and Clotilda.

Donna

Many thanks for all the work which you have been doing. The information which you requested follows:

Name: Alistair Kennedy, Wyoming. NSW. Australia
Email: alkenned@ozemail.com.au
Details: My Elders come from Dunfermline, Fife Scotland. Christian Elder, born 1781, was a daughter of Alexander Elder and Isobel Graham. Alexander was probably a son of Hugh Elder (born 1725 at Carnbee, Fife) and Katharine Hay (b. 1732 at Arngask, Fife). Christian Elder married James Gibson at Dunfermline on 31 March 1803 and she died, again at Dunfermline in May 1842.
Home Page: Yes I am happy for my information to be added to the Home Page.

Best regards and thanks again

Alistair Kennedy

Hi Donna:
I'm Elizabeth H. Lane, BANJLANE@aol.com but I also have elane@americus.net. I am mainly doing research in Georgia - Fayette, Pike,and Clarke Counties. I am interested in the Elder migration from South Carolina and (I assume) Maryland or Penn. before that. Don't mind bit if the information is posted on the Elder News Web Page. I'll send all my information on my Elder line to the list soon.
Thanks for all you do,
Beth

Donna,

Here's the e-mail you requested:

1) Steve Elder
2) Elder_Steve@rgesvc.com
3) Researching Addison Elder in PA (Clarion Co) in 1800's
4) YES, post this on the home page
5) Here is my line for info or posting on the wed page:

ELDER, Steven Duane & SCHWARZ, Dana Ann m 14 Oct 1995 b 23 Feb 1965 Kittanning, Armstrong Co., PA

ELDER, Donald Duane & HEPLER, Patricia Jane b 26 Mar 1934 Kittanning Township, Armstrong Co., PA d 30 Sep 1985 Children:
Barbara Ann b 29 Apr 1957
Steven Duane b 23 Feb 1965

ELDER, Orville E. & GEORGE, Hazel (b 28 Apr 1898, d 2 Oct 1970) b 18 Oct 1900, Lived near Whitesburg, Kittanning Twp, Armstrong Co, PA
d 8 Mar 1986 Kittaning, Armstrong Co. Children: Bernard Orville m LAIRD, Mary - No children Donald Duane 26 Mar 1934 m
Colleen Diane Jewart
Mary Lou (Schall)

ELDER, Iman Wood & SCHAEFFER, Mary Sue, d/o Edward & Sarah Catherine
(Boarts) Schaeffer
b 13 May 1879 in Clarion, PA
d 30 Jul 1963 in Kittaning
Children:
Orville B.
Harold O. resides Ford City in 1986
H. Dale resides Kittaning in 1986
Clair resides Kittaning in 1986
Nellie m Earl Bleakley - resided Waynesburg in 1986 Melda m W. C. Linsinbigler - resided Sandy Lake Pa in 1963

ELDER, Addison & NALE, Mary A. (1st or 2nd marriage?) (Iman's obit names half brothers: Clure Elder of Jamestown, NY; Thomas, Everett, and Donald Elder of Washington, PA.)

Hi Donna,

Sorry for my non-participation. I did some genealogy research before my daughter was born. I joined mainly to see if I could learn anything new casually.

In answer to your questions:

1) Karen Jean McDonald Crawford

My Elder lineage is:
Sharon Jean Marshall (my mother)
Robert Dixson Marshall III (my gfather)
Mary Moore Elder (my ggmother)
Thomas Elder (my gggfather)

Thomas Elder is of the Paxtang Elders of Penn. He was the founder of Elder's (now Elder-Berman) department store chain in Dayton, Ohio. He had a copy of the book, Pennsylvania Genealogies, with his lines marked so I have a lot of data.

2) kcraw@tridom.com

3) Elders of Paxtang, Penn.

4) Yes

5) I am particularly interested in some of the side lines from the Elders, like the Jarretts. Tacie Elizabeth Jarrett of Penn. married Thomas Elder.

Thanks for your efforts. The Internet is a great resource for communication between researchers.

Karen Crawford
kcraw@tridom.com

1) Name: Linda P. Cohn
2) E-mail (that you subscribed to the list with): cohn@tiac.net
3) Areas where you are researching Elders (states & time periods):
Kentucky, 1800's

4) Would you like this information posted on the Elder News Web Page: YES

Hi Donna-

1 - Leanna Elder Shaberly
2 - leshabe@dlapr.lib.az.us
3 - Lancaster, PA 1760's and earlier; Bedford Co., PA 1770's - 1850's; Mahoning Co., OH, 1855; Seneca Co., OH and Wood Co. OH 1855 to present
4 - YES
5 - Nothing that I can think of at the moment.

I think I'm shifting my BARNES research to Allegany Co., MD. That's where my Richard Weaver was in 1810, according to the Census. Maybe that's where he died. I just had a guy, today, from MO get in touch with me, he has WORLEY and CESSNA lines, so I've been busy this evening putting stuff together for him. Do you suppose that 6-8 generations of ancestors will make him happy????? If we could only find something like that for George and Sarah - maybe someday.

Take care.

Leanna

2635 W. Sunrise Dr., Phnx, AZ 85041
(602) 243-3510 - home also Radio KB8RT/7

Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 10:47:20 -0400
Hi Donna,

1) Name: Ray Whidden
2) E-mail (that you subscribed to the list with): rwhidden@inforamp.net also available at rayw@computerstudies.ca
3) Areas where you are researching Elders (states & time periods): 1780 - 1855 likely Cornwallis, Nova Scotia, Canada

Elder,Elizabeth-1084 | Name:John Elder-1078
Elder,John-1078 | Sex:M ID No:
Elder,Margaret-1083 | Birth: 1780
Elder,Margaret-1086 | Place:
Elder,Mary Jane-1081 | Chr:
Elder,Matthew-3607 | Place:
Elder,Nancy-1082 | Death: 1844
Elder,Rebecca-1079 | Place:
Elder,Sarah-1085 |Burial:
Elder,William-1080 | Place:
Elliot,Charles-11095 |
Elliot,Martha-9658 |
Ellis,Annie Sophia-1515 |
Ellis,Arthur Reginald-2832 |
Ellis,Christopher George-2842 |Father:
Ellis,Earle-2828 |Mother:
Ellis,George Halliday-2830 |Spouse:Elizabeth Allison-1009
Ellis,Gordon Douglas-2834 |Spouse:
Ellis,Heather Jane-2846 |Spouse:

4) Would you like this information posted on the Elder News Web Page: Yes
5) And anything else you would like to send.....
Included ELDER names above. Not a lot so I'll not be a major contributer. WHIDDEN
in Cornwallis, NS came from Portsmouth, NH area.

Check out my home page at http://www.inforamp.net/~rwhidden

Regards, Ray

Hi, Donna.
Sorry to be so long getting this reply to you. Here are the items you requested:
1. My full name is Dwight C. Stewart
2. My e-mail address is: DCStewartLou@worldnet.att.net
3. I'm researching Elders in Paxtang, Lancaster/Dauphin Co., Pennsylvania in the 1700's and am particularly interested in the possibility that Robert Elder, the son of Thomas and Elizabeth Mary (Patterson) Elder is the Robert Elder who moved to Clark County, Ohio in 1813. That line, including the Robert Elder of Ohio, is the one I'm interested in.
4. Yes, I'd be glad for this information to be posted on the Elder web page.
5. I'd especially like information related to the Susanna Elder (daughter of Robert and Ann [Ingram] Elder) who, I think, married Charles Stewart. I'd appreciate confirmation or disconfirmation of this. And if anyone has any information about that Charles Stewart's siblings or parents, I would especially, *especially*, appreciate being given that information. Thanks, Donna, for all your help.
Sincerely yours,

Dwight C. Stewart
Louisville, Kentucky

Donna,

Here is the information that you requested:

>1) Name:
Kirk Cramer

>2) E-mail (that you subscribed to the list with):
kcramer@cyberramp.net

>3) Areas where you are researching Elders (states & time periods):
WILLIAM ELDER, b. 1707, d. 1775
+ANN WHEELER, b. 1709, d. 1739
+-- CHARLES ELDER, b. 1730, d. 1804
+JULIA WARD, b. 1737, d. 1814
+-- JAMES ELDER, b. 1769
+CATHERINE KITTY HUGHES
+-- MARGARET ELDER, b. 1812
+FREDERICK J. KINTZ, b. 1812
+-- CATHERINE KINTZ, b. 1836, d. 1893
+SEBASTIAN DUMOLT, b. 1816, d. 1891
+-- CATHERINE FLORENCE DUMOLT, b. 1873, d. 1910
+JOHN MARION HYNUS, b. 1870, d. 1949
+-- FLORENCE KATHYRN HYNUS, b. 1907, d. 1981
+HAROLD EZEKIEL GRIFFITH, b. 1907, d. 1976
+-- NORMA JEAN GRIFFITH, b. 1938
+CLYDE LEROY CRAMER, b. 1936
+-- KIRK LESLEY CRAMER, b. 1958

>4) Would you like this information posted on the Elder News Web Page:
YES

Kirk Cramer kcramer@cyberramp.net
Plano, Tx

Sorry to be tardy in my reply to your request, but here is the information you requested.

Name: Harold Wayne Elder

E-Mail address: helder@alston.cba.ua.edu

Areas of research: Arkansas, Kentucky(Madison County), and other southeastern states; time period: approx. 1850 and earlier. I am trying to trace back from my ancestor Andrew Presley Elder, who lived in Arkansas. I believe his father was also named Andrew Elder, and lived in Madison County, Kentucky during the early part of the 19th century. I would like to work back from this point, but have no current information about how to proceed, but have seen postings on the Sharing list that implies that others have a commond ancestry with the earlier Andrew Elder.

I would also like to have any information on the use by Elder ancestors of the motto "Valentine and Dragon" which is on a family artifact that I have (datingfrom the 1770's).

I would be happy to have this information posted on the Elder News Web Page.

I will also soon be joining the group to receive your newsletter (and pay my share) that you publish.

Thanks,
Harold

>1) Name:
Ronald I. Elder (Ron)
>2) E-mail (that you subscribed to the list with):
relder@hawkeld.ak.planet.gen.nz
>3) Areas where you are researching Elders (states & time periods):
Stirlingshire/Perthshire, Scotland mid-1700s
>4) Would you like this information posted on the Elder News Web Page: YES or NO
Yes, please
>5) And anything else you would like to send.....
My name is Ronald I Elder. I am descended from a David Elder for whom the only date we have is his marriage to Hannah Jamieson in Linlithgow, Scotland in 1788. His occupation was listed as Master Cooper and we believe that he went to Linlithgow for work in one of the distilleries there. We have not yet discovered his birthplace.
His son, also David Elder and my Gt-Gt-Grandfather, had planned to emigrate to New Zealand but died in 1862 in Raploch - then a small village but now a suburb of Stirling, Scotland. He and his wife Jessie Robertson are buried in Stirling together with one of their daughters Jane Kerr Elder. All of the survivng family members emigrated and became established in New Zealand in the mid-1860's. We have good records from that time.
Our best clue to the origins of the family come from the links with Stirling. David Elder had spent most of his working life as an Inspector of Fisheries in the Orkney Islands and in other fishing ports on the East Coast of Scotland. However, when he retired in ill-health he went to the Stirling area and died in the home of a woman we believe may have been a cousin - her father was a Thomas Elder, born in 1774 in Port of Menteith,Perthshire, Scotland (14 miles away). We know also of a son of David Elder's, William, whose success in Veterinary studies at Edinburgh University was recorded in the local Stirling newspaper, which serves to strenghten the possibility of a family connection in the area.
Any help from others researching family connections in the Stirlingshire or Perthshire areas would be welcomed.

Ron Elder
relder@hawkeld.ak.planet.gen.nz