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"Peter Elder" DNA group in Gibson Co TN

 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:14 pm    Post subject: "Peter Elder" DNA group in Gibson Co TN Reply with quote

Answering a query from African American ELDER about
origins of names. Could be named after ELDER owners during 1860's.
For example:
From a WILL OF BENJAMIN TOWLER....in Gibson County TN:
at
http://tn-roots.com/tngibson/wills/btowler.htm
(not working)

To:...Mary Elder my
daughter shall Have all the tract of land where on I now live and where on
William Elder lives with all the household furniture that is Now in William
Elder�s possession and I further give my Daughter Mary Elder my Negro man
named Peter and Lucy His wife and her family of children namely Elizabeth,
Phillip Johnson, William Axall, David Randolph, Lucky Jones And Bob are also
and also hers ______ hereafter if any. I will this property to my daughter
Mary Elder for own proper use, During her life and not to be liable for any
contracts of her Husband William Elder or any other husband, and at her death
The property is to be equally divided amongst the following Persons, Witness
Benjamin Elder, William Elder Jr., James Elder, Robert Elder, Monroe Elder,
John W. Elder, And Harry L. Elder I give to my grandchildren Sally Dancy
heirs, the following Negroes, Polly and her four children and her increase..."
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:25 pm    Post subject: Gibson County Elders Reply with quote

Just checking back in on the Elder family of Gibson County, Tennessee. I see that you have part of the Will of Benjamin Towler posted here. Benjamin was my 5th great grandfather. been awhile since I have looked at the Elder website. Michael Scrape mscrape@centurytel.net [/b]
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:58 pm    Post subject: "Peter ELDER" group in Gibson Co TN Reply with quote

Hi Michael,
Thanks for posting on the ELDER Family Research BB and on
the TN webpages.
I've appreciated using a quote from that Will several times recently,
in answer to Elder queries from possible descendants of slaves.

Do you know of cemeteries for ELDER slaves and their descendants in Gibson Co TN?

Now I'm hoping for a free DNA kit to be completed by the
Afro-American "Carrollton Georgia" family as possible descendants of David ELDER's slaves in Georgia.

"Carrollton" ELDER photos posted on their Ancestry webpage
at
http://community.ancestry.com/profile.aspx?mba=017D9D5D-0002-0000-0000-000000000000&uaction=member-tree-public

My notes posted as I found cemetery records in Georgia, etc:
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/DavidElderDied1853Georgia.htm

Thanks again for your update!
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Vancouver, WA USA
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results:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
NancyElderPeterSEN@yahoo.com


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:12 pm    Post subject: More about "PETER ELDER" in Georgia Reply with quote

More about my search for descendants of slaves in Georgia:
posted on Rootsweb links
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Enancyelder/ed/OconeeGACemAfrAm.htm

Searching for Cemeteries in OCONEE CO GA (Marked AA = African American)
found:
OAK HILL CHURCH CEMETERY - OCONEE CO GA = AA
at
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gaoconee/cemeteries/OakHill/OakHill.htm
"Oak Hill Cemetery on McRee's Mill Road on the Norwest Corner with McRees Mill Lane. There is a dirt road going behind the church that leads to the cemetery about 50 yards back. The coordinates for this cemetery are N3350.528' W08319.981'. This cemetery was transcribed by Natalie Davis on December 22, 2007."

Elder, Frank W., Dec 17 1921, Apr 19 2000, US Army WWII
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gaoconee/cemeteries/OakHill/DSC_3369.JPG

Other ELDER Cemetery photos in Oak Hill Cemetery;
Elder, Katherine B., 1924, 1966
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gaoconee/cemeteries/OakHill/DSC_3365.JPG

Elder, Paul M., Apr 28 1940, Apr 1 2004
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gaoconee/cemeteries/OakHill/DSC_3363.JPG

Elder, Sophie G., Jun 18 1925, Jun 19 1995
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gaoconee/cemeteries/OakHill/DSC_3370.JPG

Elder, William Henry, Oct 26 1917, Jul 8 1998, Pvt US Army WWII
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gaoconee/cemeteries/OakHill/DSC_3368.JPG
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results:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
NancyElderPeterSEN@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:14 pm    Post subject: Elder Slaves Reply with quote

No I am sorry I do not. I have a lot of time in Trenton over the years and visited many Elder graves but no slave graves. Back in 2001 I made a connection with a descendant of Polly Dancy who was one of the slaves given to Sarah Towler Dancy. Can't remember her name at this time but she and I spoke a few times and share info with her seems that she was a buyer for Sears and lived near Dancyville, TN believe the town was Stanton.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:47 pm    Post subject: Elder slaves Reply with quote

Hi Michael,
Thanks for thinking about the slaves' descendants and possible
cemeteries, too. Let us know if you hear about any of them if
you can.
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Vancouver, WA USA
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results:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
NancyElderPeterSEN@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:13 am    Post subject: Slave burials in Gibson Co TN Reply with quote

Found some clues online.
A file named South-Gibson-Cemeteries.pdf (3.9 meg)
Searching for mention of "SLAVES":

ELAM CEMETERY
One of two family cemeteries of this name, both are located in
the Milan Arsenal.
The cemetery just to the south of this one has no stones
and is reputed to be for the Elam family slaves.

****
MT. ZION COMMUNITY METHODIST CHURCH CEMETERY
Mount Zion Methodist Church was organized in 1832. The
grandparents of Samuel Cole Williams, jurist and historian, were
among the prominent citizens of Medina, Humboldt and Old South
Gibson, who were buried here.
Slaves were buried in the northeast
corner of the cemetery. (Historical Marker)
****

OLD GIBSON PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY
....
It is known that there were also slaves buried in this old
cemetery.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:38 am    Post subject: "Negro Church Cemeteries" in Gibson Co TN lists Reply with quote

Now I found more lists of Negro Church Cemeteries
in the contents of the South-Gibson-Cemeteries file
Here's one with some ELDER names:
CLOVERDALE NEGRO COMMUNITY CEMETERY

ELDER, Henry Luther 1856 1911
Emily Boyd, His Wife 1856 1924
ELDER, Ethel M. One date only Aug. 11, 1939
ELDER, Robert S. 1884 1928
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results:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
NancyElderPeterSEN@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:45 am    Post subject: ELDER names in Negro Church Cemeteries Reply with quote

Searching names in Ancestry census:

1900
Name: Henry L Elder
Home in 1900: Milan, Gibson, Tennessee
Age: 44
Birth Date: Mar 1856
Birthplace: Tennessee
Race: Black
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: Tennessee
Mother's Birthplace: Tennessee
Spouse's Name: Emer Elder
Marriage Year: 1883
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry L Elder 44 (Farm laborer)
Emer Elder 44
Susan N Elder 17
Robt S Elder 15
Ethel M Elder 13
Audrey B Elder 12
Pansy B Elder 10
Peninah Elder 9
Source Citation: Year: 1900;
Census Place: Milan, Gibson, Tennessee;
Roll: T623_1571; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 48.
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Vancouver, WA USA
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NancyElderPeterSEN@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:10 am    Post subject: SMYRNA NEGRO PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY in Gibson Co Reply with quote

SMYRNA NEGRO PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH CEMETERY
in South-Gibson-Cemeteries List:

ELDER, Robert 1876 1947
Mary 1907 1934
ELDER, Albert 1905 1941

DANCE, Willie Oct. 31, 1889 May 1, 1961
Mattie Feb. 13, 1895 ____
+ DANCE, John Nov. 15, 1955 Age 55 yrs.
DANCE, Beatrice 1908 1980
DANCE, Beatrice Mar. 8, 1907 Oct. 8, 1980
........... Russell 1887 1972

1930 census
Name: Robert Elder
Home in 1930: District 16, Gibson, Tennessee
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Birthplace: Tennessee
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Elder
Race: Black
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Elder 53 (Farmer)
Mary Elder 55
Albert Elder 25
Carrie Elder 18
Robert Elder 11
Source Citation: Year: 1930;
Census Place: District 16, Gibson, Tennessee;
Roll: 2248; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 31; Image: 268.0.
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Vancouver, WA USA
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