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Kirkcaldy Fife Scotland origins of new Y-DNA order #186447

 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:27 pm    Post subject: Kirkcaldy Fife Scotland origins of new Y-DNA order #186447 Reply with quote

New Y-DNA order #186447 of 7/28/2010 - in Houston - results due 10/1.
has origins near Kirkcaldy Fife, Scotland.
RESULTS: Added to Z-4 FIFE chart.

This may be the same ELDER family in Scotland:
WorldConnect database:
by Michael William Robert Kirk
at
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kirky66&id=I1311

ID: I1311
Name: James Elder
Sex: M
Birth: 18 JUL 1821 in Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland [Kirkcaldy]
Reference Number: 1311

Father: John Elder b: ABT 1786 in Ballingry,Fife,Scotland [Also Ballingray]
Mother: Elizabeth Henderson b: ABT 1785 in Aberdour,Fife,Scotland
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FATHER:
ID: I0516
Name: John Elder
Sex: M
Birth: ABT 1786 in Ballingry,Fife,Scotland
Death: 13 NOV 1863 in Kirkcaldy,Fife,Scotland
Reference Number: 516
Father: John Elder b: ABT 1749 in Portmoak,Kinross,Scotland
Mother: Janet Graham b: ABT 1749 in Ballingry,Fife,Scotland
Marriage 1 Elizabeth Henderson b: ABT 1785 in Aberdour,Fife,Scotland
• Married: 7 MAR 1812 in Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland
Children
1. Janet Elder b: 28 APR 1812 in Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland
2. John Elder b: 14 OCT 1814 in Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland
3. Mary Elder b: 11 JUN 1815 in Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland
4. Margaret Elder b: 24 OCT 1817 in Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland
5. Peter Elder b: 11 SEP 1819 in Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland
6. James Elder b: 18 JUL 1821 in Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland
7. Robert Elder b: 11 NOV 1824 in Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland
8. Andrew Elder b: ABT 1827 in Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland
9. David Elder b: 11 DEC 1828 in Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland
10. Henderson Elder b: ABT 1833 in Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland
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FATHER:
ID: I0557
Name: John Elder
Sex: M
Birth: ABT 1749 in Portmoak,Kinross,Scotland
Death: 14 NOV 1819 in Ballingry,Fife,Scotland
Reference Number: 557
Marriage 1 Janet Graham b: ABT 1749 in Ballingry,Fife,Scotland
• Married: 2 JUN 1769 in Ballingry,Fife,Scotland
Children
1. Andrew Elder b: ABT 1770 in Ballingry,Fife,Scotland
2. Helen Elder b: ABT 1772 in Ballingry,Fife,Scotland
3. Thomas Elder b: ABT 1774 in Ballingry,Fife,Scotland
4. Laurie Elder b: ABT 1776 in Ballingry,Fife,Scotland
5. James Elder b: ABT 1782 in Ballingry,Fife,Scotland
6. John Elder b: ABT 1786 in Ballingry,Fife,Scotland
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Ancestry Tree
Kirk1 - John Elder b 1813 Abbotshall Fife - d. 1875 Kennoway, Fife
at
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/16510556/person/384462737?ssrc=

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Search Portmoak:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmoak
"Portmoak is a parish in Kinross-shire; consisting of a group of settlements running north to south they are Glenlomond, Wester Balgedie, Easter Balgedie, Kinnesswood, Kilmagadwood and Scotlandwell.
"The parish is on the east side of Kinross-shire lying between Loch leven and Fife. It is bounded by the parishes of Cleish, Kinross, Orwell, Strathmiglo, Falkland, Leslie, Kinglassie, Auchterderran and Ballingray.
"The area is a rich landscape of braes, crags, fine meadows, fertile fields and plantations.
"Portmoak Parish Church, Perth and Kinross. The present building, built in 1832, is the third on the site. The bell is dated 1642 and the Celtic crosses are of the 10th or 11th centuries. A Memorial stone in the graveyard is for Michael Bruce, 1746 to 1767, poet and author of several scripture paraphrases used in Church of Scotland worship.
"Now a commuter village Wester Balgedie or Meikle Balgedie lies 4 miles east of Kinross overlooking Loch Leven. At a fork in the road stands the Balgedie Toll Tavern, a building dating from the 19th Century[2]. A tavern has stood here from around 1534.
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New LDS Wiki Geography for FamilySearch.org - Ballingry or Ballingray
at
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Ballingry,_Fife,_Scotland
"Ballingry is said to signify the village of the cross, and to be compounded of the Gaelic word Bal, a village, and the initials inscribed on crosses in the fields, J.N.R.J. for Jesus Nazarenus Rex Judaeorum, or Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.
"The population in 1755 was 464, in 1799 was 220, and in 1831 was 372. Produce of grain of all kinds as well as potatoes, turnips, and hay are grown. There are two coal works within the parish but no limestone at present.
"A new parish church was built in 1831. The number of families attending the Established Church is 53 and that of Dissenters is 16. There is one parochial school, built in 1825. There are two ale house but there is no drunkeness.
"The above extract is taken from the account written in December 1837.
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LDS info for Fife:
"Ballingry was under the probate jurisdiction of the Commissary Court of St. Andrews until 1823, and since then has been under the Sheriff's Court of Fife at Cupar. Probate records for 1513-1901 are indexed online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. You must register on the website but use of the index to probate records, called 'Wills & Testaments,' is free. You may then purchase a copy of the document or, if the document is before 1823, it will be on microfilm at the Family History Library. To find the microfilm numbers, search in the library catalog for the 'Place' of Fife and the subject of 'Probate records.' Then click on the link to the records of the Commissariat of Fife.
"The library also has some post-1823 probate records for Fife. Look in the library catalog for the 'Place' of Fife and the subjects of 'Probate Records' and 'Probate Records - Indexes.'
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Ballingry Road to Kirkcaldy, Fife - map
http://new.mapquest.com/mq/2-Zj8qtVYi

Google map:
Kirkcaldy, Fife to New Gilston, Leven, Fife
http://tinyurl.com/2atp4oc
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Abbotshall:
http://www.fifefhs.org/Records/Directory/abbotshall.htm
Carters: John Elder, Linktown (House in Kirkcaldy)

1 Cemetery in Abbotshall:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/FIF/parishes/Abbotshall/index.htm#Cemeteries
Abbotshall Churchyard, Abbotshall Road, Kirkcaldy (grid ref. NT 273913, GPS: 56.108906 -3.170535):
* The pre-1855 monumental inscriptions for Abbotshall Churchyard are listed in "Fifeshire Monumental Inscriptions (pre-1855) vol. 1 South east parishes" by John Fowler Mitchell & Sheila Mitchell, published by the Scottish Genealogy Society. ISBN 0901061948
* The current lair registers (dating from 1908) are administered by Fife Council, Kirkcaldy Crematorium, Dunnikier Park, Dunnikier Way, Kirkcaldy, KY1 3PL. Tel. 01592 260277. Fax 01592 203438.
* A CD with photographs of the stones and transcriptions is available from Scottish Monumental Inscriptions or from The Parish Chest.
Kirkcaldy Central Library has a large collection of transcripts, indexes and manuscript volumes of Kirkcaldy burials.
A selection of interesting inscriptions and photographs are included in the booklet Guide to Kirkcaldy Graveyards, published by Kirkcaldy Civic Society, 1996 (ISBN 1946294038).
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CD Title: "Abbotshall, Fifeshire Monumental Inscriptions"
Ordered from Scottish Monumental Inscriptions, July 31, 2010 ($11.27) Mac version (Parish Chest doesn't supply Mac version)
1200 photos and Transcriptions dating from 1706
at
http://www.scottish-monumental-inscriptions.com

Their Index is online, lists ELDER surname.

They also list a CD-ROM for "Kirkcaldy Old Church Yard," but
I'll wait to see how my first CD looks before ordering more.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:29 pm    Post subject: Census for "Bogie Park" in Abbotshall, Kirkcaldy, Reply with quote

1841
Name: John Elder
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Fife, Scotland
Civil parish: Abbotshall
County: Fife
Address: Bogie Park
Occupation: Farmer
Parish Number: 399
Household Members:
Name Age
John Elder 50
Margaret Elder 48
Janet Elder 29
James Elder 19 (1822)
Robert Elder 16
Andrew Elder 14
David Elder 12
Henderson Elder 7
Source Citation: Parish: Abbotshall;
ED: 12; Page: 2; Line: 677; Roll ; Year: 1841.
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1851
Name: John Elder
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Auchtertool, Fifeshire
Parish Number: 399
Civil parish: Abbotshall
Town: Farm of Bogie Parks
County: Fife
Address: Bogie Parks
Occupation: Farmer (100 Acres) Employing 6 Min Outside
ED: 13
Page: 14 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 29
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_84
Household Members:
Name Age
John Elder 60
Eliza Elder 58
Henderson Elder 17 (1834)
Eliza Elder 16
John Lindsay 16 (servant)
Source Citation: Parish: Abbotshall; ED: 13; Page: 1; Line: 14; Roll 354; Year: 1851.

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1861
Name: John Elder
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Balligown, Fifeshire (or Ballingry)
Registration Number: 399
Registration district: Abbotshall
Civil parish: Abbotshall
County: Fife
Address: Bogie Parks Farm House
Occupation: Farmer Employings 3 Men
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 34
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1861_53
Household Members:
Name Age
John Elder 70
Jane Elder 22
Catherine Surraman 29
John Young 25
John Porton 16
Source Citation: Parish: Abbotshall;
ED: 3; Page: ; Line: 6; Roll CSSCT1861_53; Year: 1861.
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Searching Google for "Bogie Park" and Elder
found: Scotland Fife queries
at
http://searches2.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCT-FIFE/2006-08/1154534065
From: "ewallance@sympatico.ca" <ewallance>
Subject: Posting interests
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:54:25 -0400
>I am interested in all of the following names in Fife
>BLAIRS in Auchterderran, Cardenden area. Robert BLAIR 1762/1815 dist
coal manager married Elizabeth WELSH in 1797 first wife was Margaret
SWINE.
>BAILLIE in Abdie : Andrew BAILLIE 1770/1885 married Christian Stark in
1795 Monimail, second wife was Catherine Storrier
>ELDER in Bogie Park: John ELDER 1790/1863 farmer m to Elizabeth Henderson.

I wonder if there is anyone following any of the above lines . I have
done considerable research on the Blair, Elder lines.

Slainte
Elspeth
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More "Bogie Park"
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=17571;sa=showPosts
>Hi Tom,
The Milne family as you have mentioned are my ancestors through there daughter Mary born 1854 she married John Bain in Kelty,Fife their daughter Mary Bain was my greatgrand mother,The Elder family were from Ballingry also in Fife Mary Elder was the daughter of John and Elizabeth Elder nee Henderson they owned and ran a farm in Abbotshall called Bogie Parks.
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"In Fife Today" webpage, found "Bogie Parks" mentioned (modern)
at
http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/CustomPages/CustomPage.aspx?PageID=17699
"In 1952 it was proposed to form a new neighbourhood at Templehall, to house 9000 persons. This had already started with the 350 houses at Bogie Parks, which housed about 1300 people. It was also envisaged that housing at Muttonhall (what was to become Dunnikier) would house a further 4000 people."
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100 Dunniker Rd. (1891 - John (1837) and Marjory (Greig) - mother DOIG
at
http://tinyurl.com/26g2eq8

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1940-49 - Bogie Parks
at
http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/CustomPages/CustomPage.aspx?PageID=17698
"Other developments at this time included Smeaton estate and the Baldwin Crescent/ Winifred Street area, then known as Bogie Parks."

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Another John
FamilyTrees - Ancestry RTSC15860 - John Elder b. 22 Mar 1796 Auchtermuchty
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/12348482/person/-282927573
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:49 pm    Post subject: More ELDER in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland Reply with quote

Is this ELDER Family related in Kirkcaldy?
in
WorldConnect
by Ken Doig
e-mail: Ken@Doig.net
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dave1750&id=I543
ID: I543
Name: John Elder
Surname: Elder
Given Name: John
Sex: M
Birth: 1836/1837 in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
Note: In 1881 John was a cabinetmaker residing at 246 Links Street with his wife Marjory, children Thomas (upholsterer), James (scholar), Elizabeth (scholar), Jeany, and Mary Ann, and his mother-in-law Elizabeth Doig.



Marriage 1 Marjory (May) Greig b: 21 Apr 1839 in Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland
     Married: 2 Jan 1865 in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
Children
    1 Thomas Elder b: 21 May 1867 in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
    2 Francis Greig Elder b: 21 Apr 1869 in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
    3 John Elder b: 24 Jan 1871 in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
    4 James Balfour Elder b: 15 Dec 1872 in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
    5 Elizabeth Elder b: 20 Sep 1874 in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
    6 Jean Elder b: 1876/1877 in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
    7 Mary Ann Elder b: 1878/1879 in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
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ScotlandPeople's Marriages
1865 On second day of January
At Linkstown of Abbotshall, ... Free Church of Scotland
John Elder, Cabinet Maker (bachelor), age 28
Usual residence: Bridge Street? - Dumbarton
.....f: Thomas ELDER, Cabinet Maker
.....m: Elizabeth Elder, Maiden Surname: Goodwillie
Married:
..... Margery Greig (Spinster), age 26
.....Usual Residence: Linkstown at Abbotshall
......F: Francis Greig
......M: Elizabeth
...........maiden surname DOIG
Jane Elder, Witness
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1871
Name: John Elder Jnr
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Marjory
Gender: Male
Where born: Linktown, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 442
Registration district: Kirkcaldy
Civil parish: Kirkcaldy
Town: Kirkcaldy
County: Fife
Address: Fools Close
Occupation: Cabinet Maker
ED: 29
Household schedule number: 36
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1871_76
Household Members:
Name Age
John Elder Jnr 34
Marjory Elder 31 (1840) Dundee, Forfarshire
James Elder 3 (1868) Linktown, Fifeshire
Francis Elder 1 son (1870) Linktown, Fifeshire
John Elder Jnr 2 mo (1871) Linktown, Fifeshire
Source Citation: Parish: Kirkcaldy; ED: 29;
Page: 6; Line: 21; Roll CSSCT1871_76; Year: 1871.
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1881
Name: John Elder
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Marjory Greig [Doig]
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkcaldy, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 442
Registration district: Kirkcaldy
Civil parish: Abbotshall
Town: Kirkcaldy
County: Fife
Address: 246
Occupation: Cabinetmaker
ED: 33
Household schedule number: 70
Line: 14
Roll: cssct1881_122
Household Members:
Name Age
John Elder 44
Marjory Greig Elder 41
Thomas Elder 13 Upholsterer
James Elder 8
Elizth Elder 6
Jeany Elder 4
Mary Ann Elder 2
Elizth Doig 76 (Mother-in-law)
Source Citation: Parish: Abbotshall;
ED: 33; Page: 11; Line: 14; Roll cssct1881_122; Year: 1881.

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1891
Name: John Elder
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Marjory
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkcaldy, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 442
Registration district: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall
Civil parish: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall
County: Fife
Address: 100 Dunnikier Rd
Occupation: Cabinetmaker
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 79
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1891_135
Household Members:
Name Age
John Elder 54
Marjory Elder 51 (1840) Dundee, Forfarshire
Elizabeth Elder 16 (1875) Kirkcaldy - Linen Factory (Yarn Warper)
Jeannie Elder 14 (1877) Kirkcaldy - Message Girl (Dressmakers)
Maryann Elder 12 (1879) Kirkcaldy - Message Girl (General)
Alexander Elder 9 1882 son (Edinburgh) - Scholar
Source Citation: Parish: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall;
ED: 11; Page: 16; Line: 9; Roll CSSCT1891_135; Year: 1891.
**

1901
Name: John Elder
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Marjory G
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkcaldy, Fifeshire
Registration Number: 442
Registration district: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall
Civil parish: Kirkcaldy and Abbotshall
County: Fife
Address: 100 Dunnikier Rd
Occupation: Cabinetmaker
ED: 36
Household schedule number: 107
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1901_142
Household Members:
Name Age
John Elder 64
Marjory G Elder 61 Dundee, Forfarshire
Jeannie Elder 24
Mary Ann Elder 22
Alexander Elder 39 Engine Fitter
John Elder 4 (g-son)
Roll CSSCT1901_142; Year: 1901.
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1841
Thomas Elder 30 Scotland - House Wright J
Elizabeth Elder 35
Isabella Elder 4
Geddes Elder 10 Mo
Address: Linktown
Source Citation: Parish: Abbotshall; ED: 8;
Page: 10; Line: 1070; Roll ; Year: 1841.
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1851
Name: Thomas Elder
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1809
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name: Betsey
Gender: Male
Where born: Abbotshall, Fifeshire
Parish Number: 399
Civil parish: Abbotshall
Town: Linktown
County: Fife
Address: High Street
Occupation: Cabinet Maker Employing 2 Men
ED: 8
Page: 17 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 69
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1851_84
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Elder 42
Betsey Elder 46
John Elder 14 (1837)
Geddes Elder 10
Thomas Elder Junr 8
Source Citation: Parish: Abbotshall;
ED: 8; Page: 6; Line: 17; Roll 644; Year: 1851.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:43 pm    Post subject: 9 Abbotshall Cemetery photos for ELDER Reply with quote

Today I'm extracting the 9 Elder descriptions
from Abbotshall Cemetery [Kirkcaldy, Fife] CDROM list, received Aug 9th
from "SCOTTISH MONUMENTAL INSCRIPTiONS," in care of Helen Grant.
Will try to match the Images, and discover how many are related.
For example,
#904. Geddes G. ELDER, b. 1841 is listed in the family of Thomas ELDER
in the 1851 census (Ancestry of Lord Thomas Murray Elder in current
British Parliament).

Abbotshall Index list for ELDER

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17. Erected by Catherine Elder ILMO David Elder her father who died 19th
April aged 75 years. Also her mother Donaldson 10th March 19??
7?? years
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59. In memory of William B. Chalmers beloved husband of Isabella Elder died
26th April 1918 aged 42 years. Also their son William E. Chalmers R.A.F
dearly beloved husband of Gertrude E.M. Ayckbourne killed London air
raid 16th March 1941 aged 30 years
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118. Erected by James Simpson, Farmer Dothan in memory of Elizabeth
Roger his wife who died 6th --- aged 67 years.
Also Ellen their daughter who died 22nd ---- aged --.
James their son who died ---- 1959 aged 85 years.
Also Mary their daughter widow of Robert Elder who died 2nd June 1904 age 72 years
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315. In memory of Roseabelle Mitchell died 18th Oct 1919 aged 5 years.
John Elder died 15th July 1922 aged 68 years.
And his daughters Margaret died 3rd March 1958 aged 83 years.
Leslie Catherine died 19th Feb 1971 aged 86 years.
Christina died 15th Jan 1982 aged 90 years.
Janet died 20th March 1984 aged 97 years
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404. ILMO Janet Elder beloved wife of William Harris
who died 21st Jan ???? aged 40 years.
Also their son William who died 22nd July 1910 aged 11 years.
Also the above William Harris who died 26th March 19?? Aged 50
years
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654. 1806 1 grave breadth on the front and 2 on the other.
ILMO James Elder who died at Dumbarton ?? December 1936 aged 88.
Also his wife Jessie Wilson who died at Dumbarton ?0th June 1917 aged 64
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812. Erected in memory of Elizabeth Henderson wife of John Elder,
Farmer, Bogie Parks who died 23rd February 1861 aged 69 years.
The above John Elder who died 13th November 1863 aged 78 years

904. Erected by James Stalker in memory of Geddes G. Elder his wife
who died 10th Dec 1871 aged 31 years. Also Esther H. Stalker his daughter
who died 11th Feb 1882 aged 3 years. Also Elizabeth Burton his daughter
who died 16th Jan 1893 aged 45 years. The above James Stalker who died
27th Oct 1897 aged 55 years. His 2nd wife Elizabeth R. Burton who died 10th March 1907 aged 61 years. His son John who died 20th July 1834 aged 19 years. His daughter Cecilia Burton who died 28th May 1901 aged 15 years

1010. In Memory of Thomas Elder, who died 21st May 1906, aged 39 years.
His father John Elder, who died 25th Aug 1908, aged 71 years.
His mother Marjory Greig, who died 10th May 1913, aged 74 years.
His sister Elizabeth Elder who died 20th July 19-- aged 78 years.
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http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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