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Surprise! Houston TX kit #85035 matches FRANKLIN CO PA!!

 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Surprise! Houston TX kit #85035 matches FRANKLIN CO PA!! Reply with quote

ELDER DNA kit #85035
from Houston, TX
Ordered and received in Houston offices Feb. 20, 2007.
mtDNA received: "U5a1"
YDNA received: "R1b1" = Matches FRANKLIN CO PA -
so
maybe descendant of ROBERT ELDER, b. 1760 York Co PA.
see
Posted webpage for list with Lee ELDER's "PETER ELDER" group -WRONG!!
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/GranvilleElder1910TX.htm

See also:
ROBERT ELDER, b. 1760 York Co PA - moved to Washington Co VA, and KY
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/KingsMountain.htm

and
Matthew ELDER and Mary KINCANNON:
Donna Logan's archives:
http://www.familytrail.com/elder/MathewMaryElder/ps01/ps01_014.html
....
6. [Also from Ruth Burns]
Letter from Josephine Jurney,
16024 NE 26th St. Bellevue, Wa. 98008 - 17 July 1989.
In some old CFI cards , found Mathew
Elder son of Mathew Elder christened 13 Aug 1662 Londonderry Co,
Templemore, Derry Cathedral.
Also: Mathew Elder, son of Andrew Elder and Anna, christened 19
May 1703 same place as above.
[Templemore is just west of Londonderry.]
7. Ireland IGI, p. 8444 -- same information as #6 - also p. 8441 -
marriage of Andrew Elder to Ann Riply, 3 July 1701 at Derry
Cathedral, Templemore, Ireland. Probable other children are Ann,
christened 21 Nov 1699 and Elizabeth, christened 3 July 1701, both
at Derry Cathedral, Templemore, Londonderry Co."

**
More from the KingsMountain webpage:
for
Robert ELDER [b.1760 York Co, PA]
"He served in the Revolutionary War and fought at Kings Mountain. He
wrote a letter which was printed in the book "King's Mountain and
It's Heroes: History of the Battle of King's Mountain October 7th,
1780, and the Events Which Led To It" by Lyman C. Draper.

The letter is has follows:
Robert Elder, April 2, 1823, certifies: That I was a
volunteer of the regiment commanded by Colonel William Campbell, in
the action, fought upon King's Mountain, on the seventh day of
October, in the year 1780, and do hereby declare, that I never saw
Colonel Campbell on the field of battle after the first onset of the
action, until the surrender of the enemy. I also declare, that I
often saw Colonel Isaac Shelby endeavoring to animate our men, and
particularly at the time of the battle when the enemy charged our
lines, and drove us down the mountain, from one hundred and fifty to
two hundred yards, or upwards. I both saw and heard Colonel Shelby
make great exertions to rally our men, which he finally effected, and
turned them back upon the enemy, and drove them in their turn until
they surrendered.
"Robert served in his brother Captain James Elder's company under
Colonel Roebuck. He and his wife applied for a pension 25 March 1833
in Lincoln County, Kentucky. According to his pension record he was
born in York County, Pennsylvania."

Source:
Library of Congress book entry:
Draper, Lyman Copeland, 1815-1891.
"King's Mountain and its heroes; history of the battle of
King's Mountain, October 7th, 1780, and the events which led to it."
[Spartanburg, S.C., Reprint Co., 1967]
612 p. illus., map, plan, ports. 22 cm.
Title page includes original imprint: Cincinnati, P. G. Thomson, 1881.
Subjects: Kings Mountain, Battle of, S.C., 1780.
Series: North Carolina heritage series no. 5
LC Classification: F251 .N87 no. 5
Dewey Class No.: 973.33/6

Maps, History of Kings Mountain:
http://www.tngenweb.org/revwar/kingsmountain.html
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results:
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 8:45 pm    Post subject: More about Robert Elder b. 1760 York Co PA Reply with quote

Another Freepages research file I posted for ROBERT:
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/pa/RobertElder1760YorkCoPA.htm

Includes WorldConnect entry (public access)
at
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=david_hughey&id=I58026
for:
Robert ELDER, b. 1760 York Co PA:
1. by Dave Hughey
Pension in KY.
ID: I58026...
Birth: 17 Dec 1760 in York, Pennsylvania 1
Death: 28 Oct 1839 in Lincoln, Kentucky 1 1

Father: Matthew Elder b: Bet 1703 and 1710 in Templemore, Londonderry, Ireland
Mother: Mary Kincannon b: Bet 1703 and 1710
Marriage 1 Rebecca Robinson

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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 8:48 pm    Post subject: Pension transcription for Robert Elder b. 1760 York Co PA Reply with quote

Several links to Robert's Rev War Pension.
Here's one posted on a FINDAGRAVE entry, but says b. 1759. That's different!
"Maintained by: Kathy Ross
"Originally Created by: Joyce Tinsley
"Record added: Apr 20, 2012
in
FINDAGRAVE:
at
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=88796702&ref=acom
for
ROBERT ELDER
Birth: 1759
Death: Oct. 28, 1839

Revolutionary Soldier
Age 80 yrs

Robert Elder, DAR Ancestor Number A037144,
was one of the Heroes who fought at the Battle of King's Mountain.
>"I have included his Application for Revolutionary War Pension.
States:
"Southern Campaigns American Revolution Pension Statements & Rosters
Pension application of Robert Elder S12865 f19VA Transcribed by Will Graves 11/23/06 rev'd 12/19/14 [Methodology: Spelling, punctuation and/or grammar have been corrected in some instances for ease of reading and to facilitate searches of the database. Where the meaning is not compromised by adhering to the spelling, punctuation or grammar, no change has been made. Corrections or additional notes have been inserted within brackets or footnotes. Blanks appearing in the transcripts reflect blanks in the original. A bracketed question mark indicates that the word or words preceding it represent(s) a guess by me. The word 'illegible' or 'indecipherable' appearing in brackets indicates that at the time I made the transcription, I was unable to decipher the word or phrase in question. Only materials pertinent to the military service of the veteran and to contemporary events have been transcribed. Affidavits that provide additional information on these events are included and genealogical information is abstracted, while standard, 'boilerplate' affidavits and attestations related solely to the application, and later nineteenth and twentieth century research requests for information have been omitted. I use speech recognition software to make all my transcriptions. Such software misinterprets my southern accent with unfortunate regularity and my poor proofreading skills fail to catch all misinterpretations. Also, dates or numbers which the software treats as numerals rather than words are not corrected: for example, the software transcribes "the eighth of June one thousand eighty six" as "the 8th of June 1786." Please call material errors or omissions to my attention.]
State of Kentucky, Lincoln County On this 25th day of March 1833 personally appeared in open Court before the County Court of Lincoln County State of Kentucky now sitting Robert Elder a resident of said County of Lincoln and State of Kentucky aged Seventy Three years who being first duly sworn according to Law, doth on his oath make the following Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the act of Congress passed 7th June 1832. That he entered the Service of the United States under the following named officers & served as herein stated. In the month of June 1776 an express was received from the Commander of Fort Donley in the Greenbrier County on the year Frontiers of Virginia requiring the assistance of the Militia of the neighboring Counties; that this Declarant volunteered under Captain William Paxton and was marched to Greenbrier County to relieve Fort Donley which was besieged by the Shawnee Indians; they marched to the Fort which was relieved; the Indians retreating there was no Major or Colonel, they found Col. Lewis in the Fort. There were no regular troops; he served a tour of three months and was verbally discharged by Captain William Paxton. He again volunteered in the month of October 1780 under the command of Captain James Dysart, Lieutenant Kincannon [perhaps Andrew Kincannon], William Edmonston [William Edmiston or Edmondson] was the Major & William Campbell was the Colonel. They were marched to the state of North Carolina from Washington County Virginia for the purpose of attacking Colonel Ferguson [Maj. Patrick Ferguson] and his Army. They marched through North Carolina to Kings Mountain [October 7, 1780] where they attacked the British Army under Colonel Ferguson whom they killed & also captured his Army. He was in the Battle commanded by his officers as above named. Col. Isaac Shelby from Sullivan County was present and also Col. Williams [James Williams] and Sevier [John Sevier]. He does not think there were any regular regiments or officers present. He served a tour of three months & was verbally discharged by Captain Dysart. He states that he was born in the County of York, State of Pennsylvania in the year 1760; that he has no record of his age; that his father moved to Rockbridge County State of Virginia in 1773; that in 1780, he moved to Washington County in the same State, in which County he lived until 1796, when he moved to Lincoln County State of Kentucky where he has resided until the present time for the space of 36 years; he states that he has no documentary evidence of his services nor does he know of any person by whom he can prove them, that he is known in his neighborhood to Evan Shelby and Samuel Duncan who can testify as to his character for veracity and their belief of his service as a revolutionary Soldier. He hereby relinquishes all claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not on the Pension Roll of the agency of any State. Sworn to & subscribed the day and year aforesaid.
S/ Robert Elder
[Nathan Waters, a clergyman, and Evan Shelby & Samuel Duncan gave the standard supporting affidavit.] [Veteran was pensioned at the rate of $20 per annum commencing March 4th, 1831, for service as a private for 6 months in the Virginia militia.]
Vonnie L Cantrell (#47192880)

more....
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----Nancy Elder Petersen
Volunteer Host, ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 8:55 pm    Post subject: Andrew ELDER - brother of Robert ELDER Reply with quote

ANDREW ELDER -b. 1748 PA - d. 1834 Grainger Co TN - Rev. War Pension
- Handwritten - related to Matthew ELDER of York Co PA.
PENNSYLVANIA ARCHIVES webpage (public access)
now called "FOOTNOTE.COM."
at
http://www.footnote.com/page/3077_andrew_elder_b_1748_pa_d_1834
from
Sources:
"Information from “Virginia/West Virginia Genealogical Data from Revolutionary War Pension
and Bounty Land Warrant Records”, Vol. 2, compiled by Patrick G. Wardell, Lt. Col. U.S. Army Ret. :
Elder, Andrew - entered service 1776 in Botetourt County [prior to 1770 was Augusta County], Virginia;
born 1748 in Chester County, Pennsylvania; resided after Revolutionary War in Washington County, Virginia,
thence to Sullivan County, Tennessee,, thence to Grainger County, Tennessee,
where applied for pension 1855 age 85 when resided there for 20 years, & Pension Application Rejected,
insufficient proof of service; died 5/30/1834; married abt. 1804-05 to Elizabeth Snyder,
widow applied for pension abt. age 80 in Grainger County, Tennessee, 1841
& Pension Application Rejected; widow applied for pension again there in 1852 & Pension Application Rejected;
soldier's brother Matthew died in Revolutionary War service & buried at Basking Ridge, New Jersey. F-R3278, R908. "

Also see page 106 of the book "FAMILIES NAMED ELDER IN EAST TN." where ANDREW ELDER is listed
as "Other ELDER Family" because the author didn't prove the connection.
ROBERT is also listed there.
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