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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Information on Francis Joseph "Frank elder" Reply with quote

Hi I am just starting to research my Husbands family. I was able to get back to Francis Joseph "Frank Elder" with certainity. Beyond that I am not sure the information was credible. I am very interested in getting back to the country of origin. Thanks alot. Frank was married to Mary Belle orin btw. Frank was born in 1859 in Ohio as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:55 am    Post subject: Francis Joseph "Frank Elder" Reply with quote

Hi Andrea,
Glad to see your posting.
The Francis Joseph ELDER name sounds familiar.
Is he in the "Catholic ELDER" group with origins from Frederick Co MD?

I'll look in those files.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:05 am    Post subject: Francis Joseph "Frank Elder" in 1880 and 1900 Reply with quote

This looks like the right Frank J ELDER in Carroll Co OH

1900
Name: Frank J Elder
Home in 1900: Harrison, Carroll, Ohio
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
BirthPlace: Ohio
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Spouses's Name: Mary B
Race: White
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank J Elder 40
Mary B Elder 36
Eli M Elder 17
William C Elder 14
Sylver l Elder 10
Mary P Elder 8.12
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Harrison, Carroll, Ohio; Roll: T623 1244; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 40.
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This looks like his parents in 1880:
1880
Name: Francis J. Elder
Home in 1880: Harrison, Carroll, Ohio
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
BirthPlace: Ohio
Relation to head-of-household: Son
Father's name: William C.
Father's birthplace: PA
Mother's name: Margret
Mother's birthplace: OH
Occupation: At Home
Marital status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Household Members:
Name Age
William C. Elder 63
Margret Elder 60
Francis J. Elder 20
Margaret E. Elder 14

Source Citation: Year: 1880; Census Place: Harrison, Carroll, Ohio; Roll: T9_997; Family History Film: 1254997; Page: 88.1000; Enumeration District: 35; Image: 0651.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:18 am    Post subject: 1850 census for William C. ELDER Reply with quote

Looks like father William C ELDER
is in CARROLL CO OH
in 1850

1850
Name: William C Elder
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Birth place: Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Home in 1850
(City,County,State): Harrison, Carroll, Ohio

Source Citation: Year: 1850;
Census Place: Harrison, Carroll, Ohio;
Roll: M432_664; Page: 125; Image: 251.

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2 ELDER names in CARROLL CO OH in 1840 census
John Elder Union, Carroll, Ohio
Joseph Elder Perry, Carroll, Ohio
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:56 am    Post subject: WILLIAM C. ELDER in CARROLL CO OHIO history books? Reply with quote

Searching ELDER in CARROLL CO OH:

Lookups on Carroll Co Ohio genweb:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohcarrol/lookups.htm

History of Carroll and Harrison Counties, Ohio Vol. II
1921
Barbara Ann Smith
e-mail: bas@sota-oh.com

Biographical Record of Carroll County, Ohio
Beers
1891
Barbara Ann Smith
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:43 pm    Post subject: Frank Elder Reply with quote

Wow thanks for the quick replies. It gets kind of sketchy for me after I couldn't use the census records anymore. So now I have to William Coulter Elder married to Pininah Coltrane. Are there any lines here that also have that line. Like I said I just started, sorry for all the questions! I don't know a whole lot about his family. I know my MIL will surely be excited to see I have something here. Thanks again.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Pininah Coltrane and James ELDER of NC? Reply with quote

Oops,
I recognize the name of
Pininah COLTRANE m. JAMES ELDER of NC in my files.
My ELDER family of FRANKLIN CO PA has relatives in
"Randolph Co NC" and we see similar names here, but not quite
like the "William C. ELDER and Margaret" of 1880 census
in Carroll Co OH.
WILLIAM C. ELDER of Carroll Co OH was apparently born in PA.

Worldconnect has entry for Pininah COLTRANE here:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=robinb&id=I15710
by Robin D. Bryson
e-mail: noelrobn@bellsouth.net

# ID: I15710
# Name: Pininah COLTRANE
# Given Name: Pininah
# Surname: Coltrane
# Name: COLTRANE
# Given Name:
# Surname: Coltrane
# Sex: F
# Birth: 8 Feb 1787
# Death: Y 1
# Census:
# Note:
1) 1850 Randolph Co., NC Census
Page 124, Northern Division, HH#965.
ELDER, Pennina ELDER, 65
Pen 30
Rachael 21
CHRISCO, Jas. 32
2) 1850 Census: p. 230, Northern Division 965.
Pennina ELDER, 65, female, NC
Pennina Elder, 30, female NC
Rachel Elder, 21, female, NC
James Criver, 32 male, laborer, NC (maybe James CRISCO)

Father: David COLTRANE b: 8 May 1762 in Guilford Co., NC
Mother: Hannah THORNBURG b: 2 Jan 1763 in Guilford Co., NC

Marriage 1 James ELDER b: 1782
* Married:
Children
1. William C. ELDER b: 1816 in Randolph Co., NC
2. Peninah ELDER b: 1820
3. Rachael ELDER b: 1829

Sources:
1. Abbrev: Coltrain, Scott
Title: Coltrain, Scott
Author: Scott Coltrain
Publication: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1961721&id=I95337799
2. Abbrev: 1850 Federal Census, Randolph Co., NC
Title: 1850 Federal Census, Randolph Co., NC
Author: Compiled by Mrs. Nancy W. Simpson
Page: Page 124
Quality: 4
Date: 4 Jan 1980
3. Abbrev: 1850 Federal Census, Guilford Co., NC
Title: 1850 Federal Census, Guilford Co., NC
Author: This Census was transcribed by JaAnna Nelson
Publication: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/guilford/census/1850/
Page: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/NCRANDOL/2000-06/0959911928
Quality: 4
Date: 4 Jan 1980

---NancyP
Still searching...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:38 pm    Post subject: 1850 census for William C. ELDER and Margaret in OH Reply with quote

Looking again at 1850 census in CARROLL CO OH
before Francis Joseph was born.
Filling out info for
wife MARGARET and children, this time.
Ask the genweb volunteers for lookup of marriages in Carroll Co OH.

1850
Name: William C Elder
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Birth place: Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Home in 1850
(City,County,State): Harrison, Carroll, Ohio
Household:
William C ELDER 35 PA
Margaret 30 OH
Anne E 9 OH
Hester 6 OH
Mary E 1 OH

Source Citation: Year: 1850;
Census Place: Harrison, Carroll, Ohio;
Roll: M432_664; Page: 125; Image: 251.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: Looking for COULTER and ELDER in PA Reply with quote

We also have ELDER names in Washington Co PA, not far
from Carroll Co OH,
and now I see COULTER names there, too:

1850 Washington Co PA
Name: Joseph Elder
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Birth place: Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Home in 1850
(City,County,State): Robinson, Washington, Pennsylvania

Source Citation: Year: 1850;
Census Place: Robinson, Washington, Pennsylvania;
Roll: M432_833; Page: 24; Image: 53.
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1860 census in Washington Co PA
Name: Raphael Coulter
Age in 1860: 42
Birth Year: abt 1818
BirthPlace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1860: Carroll, Washington, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Post Office: Monongahela
Household Members:
Name Age
Raphael Coulter 42
Nancy A Coulter 36
John Coulter 13
Wm Coulter 10
Henderson Coulter 6

Source Citation: Year: 1860;
Census Place: Carroll, Washington, Pennsylvania;
Roll: M653_1191; Page: 150; Image: 151
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found an entry for Dunlaps genealogy:

iv. Margaret DUNLAP was born 14 MAY 1821 in Rock TWP, Harrison, OH, and died 9 OCT 1880 in Harrison TWP, Carroll, OH.
She married William Coulter ELDER 25 MAR 1841 in Harrison TWP, Carroll, OH. He was born 28 JAN 1810 in , , PA, and died 11 FEB 1900 in Malvern, Carroll, OH.

Looked for the webpage of "Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness"
(RAOGK)
http://www.raogk.org

Found a CARROLL CO OH volunteer who takes tombstone photos.
Asked for photo of tombstone for Margaret and William Coulter ELDER,
probably in Harrison Twp.

Will let you know if I receive any info!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: ELDER families from Scotland Reply with quote

RE: ELDER families from Scotland

Most of the ELDER families of PA seem to
fit nicely into the Scotland DNA chart, posted
from our ELDER DNA project.

See YDNA results (about 15 Elder names):
http://www.ourfamilyorigins.com/scotland/dna.htm

My notes for researching ELDER in various locations in Scotland:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/ed/Perth.htm

See also:
ELDER DNA project:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder

Here's a good old Scots Parish record:
11.Kincardineshire, Fife, Kinross, Perth, & Forfar: -
Commissariot of St. Andrew's, Register of
Testaments, 1549-1800
Marriages.
The Commissariot Record of St. Andrews.
Register of Testaments, 1549-1800.
County: Perth
Country: Scotland
Elder, James, cotter, wobster in Easter Gourdie,
and Jonet Anderson, his spouse, par. of Liff 31 Jan 1600
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:59 pm    Post subject: Volunteer finds William Coulter ELDER obits Reply with quote

I asked the Carroll County volunteer for all possbile
obits and photos - Will share those here when I receive them.
NancyP

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REPLY: From: Janylane@wmconnect.com
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:37:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Elder's Carroll County Ohio
To: NancyP@Teleport.com
Dear Nancy,
I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. The weather has been yucky here and so I've not been out to do lookups.
However, I did finally dig and have discovered that there is no stone for your William Coulter ELDER.
There is a William C. ELDER buried at Baxter's Ridge Cemetery in Harrison Twp. with the dates 1885-1963 inscribed on the stone.
Next to him is Lula V. ELDER 1888-1968. Don't know if they belong to you or not, but I kept digging and found your William's obituaries.
There are three! I photo copied them so if you'd like, I'll mail them to you. They told me that he is buried in New Harrisburg.
He died Feb. 12, 1900.
So, I went to the New Harrisburg records and found his wife's grave, but not one for him. I'm told that it was common for a stone to be placed on the first spouse's grave and when the second one went, no one bothered to re-engrave it with their info. I have not made it out to the cemetery itself, but will take a photo of her stone when I get a chance.
It reads: "Elder, Margaret Dunlap w/o W. C. Elder;
b May 14, 1821; d Oct 9, 1880; ae 59y 4m 25d
Stonecutter -
CM & MC co Canton, OH"
There is a headstone that simply says, "Mother" as well.

I also found 2 other ELDER stones in New Harrisburg.
They are:
ELDER, Sallie d/o J. M & M. H. Elder; d. Dec 25, 1865 and
ELDER, Hester w/o Joseph Elder; d June 11, 1865;
In the 58th year of her age "Rest mother, rest..."
Then there is a stone after these that is illegible.
I have no way of knowing if it is connected or not.

Let me know if you want just Margaret's stone or all of these
and I'll do my best to get them to you.

Sincerely,
Janice Lane
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: Obits for William C. ELDER of Carroll Co OH Reply with quote

Janice sent the xerox page of obits today,
also says "I'll try to get
the headstone pictures for you as soon as possible."

From The Carroll Free Press, Wed. Feb 14, 1900
Wm C. ELDER
In Malvern, and one of the oldest citizens of
the county died on the 12th of February, 1900,
over 80 years of age. His remains were interred
yesterday in the cemetery of the village of
New Harrisburg. He was the father of several
children, one of whom is J. J. Elder, of
Harrison township.

***
Remains of W.C. Elder were interred here Tuesday.
His age was nearly 83.
***

CARROLL CHRONICLE, Feb. 16, 1900
Wm. C. Elder died at his home in Malvern Monday
evening after a lingering illness with paralysis.
His remains were interred at New Harrisburg Wednesday.
Funeral service in the Presbyterian Church.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:37 pm    Post subject: ELDER in nearby WASHINGTON CO PA Reply with quote

Thinking about JOSEPH ELDER and JOHN ELDER in CARROLL CO OH in
1840 census, looked again at WASHINGTON CO PA list:
Posted here (connects to Mercer Co PA also):
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/pa/WashingtonCoPA.htm

William ELDER, Raccoon Church Cem, Candor PA (Robinson Twp)--Near Midway PA:
William Elder 1782 Feb 2, 1857 age 75
1850
William Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1782 Pennsylvania
William Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1837 Pennsylvania
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1790
David Elder --Armstrong, Washington, PA 1790
John Elder --Armstrong, Washington, PA 1790
Marcy Elder --Armstrong, Washington, PA 1790
Robert Elder --Armstrong, Washington, PA 1790
Thos Elder --Not Stated, Washington, PA 1790
******
1800 Washington Co PA
Thomas Elder-- Cross Creek, Washington, PA 1800
John Elder --Hopewell, Washington, PA 1800
David Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA 1800
David Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA 1800
****
1810 Washington Co PA
Thomas Elder-- Cross Creek, Washington, PA 1810
John Elder --Hopewell, Washington, PA 1810
David Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA 1810
James Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA 1810
William Elder-- Robinson, Washington, PA 1810
John Elder --Smiths, Washington, PA 1810
****
1820 Washington Co PA
Mary Elder --East Bethlehem,Washington,PA 1820
Thomas Elder --Hanover,Washington,PA 1820
David Elder-- Robinson,Washington,PA 1820
Wm Elder --Robinson,Washington,PA 1820
Joseph Elder --West Bethlehem,Washington,PA 1820
Peter Elder-- West Bethlehem,Washington,PA 1820
****
1830 Washington Co PA
Mary Elder-- East Bethlehem, Washington, Pennsylvania
David Elder --Robinson, Washington, Pennsylvania
William Elder-- Robinson, Washington, Pennsylvania
*****
1840 Washington Co PA
David Elder-- Smith, Washington, Pennsylvania
Duncan Elder-- Robinson, Washington, Pennsylvania
Jas Elder --Smith,Washington, Pennsylvania
Mary Elder --Robinson, Washington, Pennsylvania
Wm Elder-- Robinson, Washington, Pennsylvania
****
1850
John Elder --Smith, Washington, PA abt 1814 Pennsylvania
Elizabeth Elder --Smith, Washington, PA abt 1824 Pennsylvania
Anne Elder --Smith, Washington, PA abt 1845 Pennsylvania
Elizabeth Elder-- Smith, Washington, PA abt 1847 Pennsylvania
Allis Elder --Smith, Washington, PA abt 1849 Pennsylvania
William Elder-- Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1782 Pennsylvania
Carry Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1801 Pennsylvania
Samuel Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1829 Pennsylvania
Mary Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1822 Pennsylvania
David Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1832 Pennsylvania
Joseph Elder-- Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1834 Pennsylvania
Jane Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1837 Pennsylvania
Oliver P Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1839 Pennsylvania
Carry Elder-- Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1842 Pennsylvania
Adelia A Elder-- Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1826 Pennsylvania
Duncan Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1809 Pennsylvania
Mary Elder-- Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1809 Pennsylvania
William Elder-- Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1837 Pennsylvania
Martha Elder-- Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1840 Pennsylvania
Clemant Elder-- Robinson, Washington, PA abt 1845 Pennsylvania
****
1860 Washington Co PA
Mariah Elder-- Mount Pleasant,Washington,PA 41 1818 PA Female
Mary J Elder --Mount Pleasant,Washington,PA 21 1838 PA Female
Luis J Elder --Mount Pleasant,Washington,PA 18 1841 PA Male
Wm Elder --Smith,Washington,PA 23 1836 PA Male
Ruth Elder-- Smith,Washington,PA 18 1841 PA Female
Thomas Elder-- Smith,Washington,PA 1 1858 PA Male
***
1870
Eli Elder --Allen, Washington, PA 18 1851 Pa White Male
Alice A Elder-- Hanover, Washington, PA 5 1864 Pa White Female
Johnston D Elder-- Hanover, Washington, PA 10/12 1869 PA White Male
Lula J Elder-- Hanover, Washington, PA 9 1860 PA White Female
Ruth Elder-- Hanover, Washington, PA 29 1840 PA White Female
Santford C Elder-- Hanover, Washington, PA 8 1861 PA White Male
Thomas J Elder --Hanover, Washington, PA 11 1858 PA White Male
William Elder --Hanover, Washington, PA 35 1834 PA White Male
William E Elder-- Hanover, Washington, PA 7 1862 PA White Male
Elisabeth J Elder --Robinson, Washington, PA 23 1846 PA White Female
Clement Elder --Smith, Washington, PA 25 1844 PA White Male
Isabel Elder-- Smith, Washington, PA 23 1846 PA White Female
John Elder-- Smith, Washington, PA 1 1868 PA White Male
Johnston Elder-- Smith, Washington, PA 28 1841 PA White Male
Mariah Elder --Smith, Washington, PA 53 1816 PA White
***
1880
C. M. ELDER-- Burgettstown, Washington, PA 34 PA Male Self
John C. ELDER --Burgettstown, Washington, PA 11 PA Male Son
Rachel A. ELDER --Burgettstown, Washington, PA 33 PA Female Wife
W. W. ELDER-- Burgettstown, Washington, PA 8 PA Male Son
Ada F. ELDER --Hanover, Washington, PA 4 PA Female Dau
Alice E. ELDER-- Hanover, Washington, PA 12 PA Female Dau
James C. ELDER-- Hanover, Washington, PA 3 PA Male Son
John S. ELDER-- Hanover, Washington, PA 6 PA Male Son
Johnston ELDER-- Hanover, Washington, PA 37 PA Male Self
Johnston ELDER-- Hanover, Washington, PA 11 PA Male Son
Leman K. ELDER-- Hanover, Washington, PA 6M PA Male Son
Lena G. ELDER-- Hanover, Washington, PA 7 PA Female Dau
Luella J. ELDER-- Hanover, Washington, PA 19 PA Female Dau
Sanford C. ELDER-- Hanover, Washington, PA 18 PA Male Son
Sarah F. ELDER-- Hanover, Washington, PA 32 PA Female Wife
Thomas J. ELDER-- Hanover, Washington, PA 21 PA Male Son
William ELDER --Hanover, Washington, PA 44 PA Male Self
William E. ELDER-- Hanover, Washington, PA 16 PA Male Son
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