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decendent of William Elder Emmitsburg MD??????

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject: decendent of William Elder Emmitsburg MD?????? Reply with quote

Hi, my name is Patrick Elder from Charlotte NC. Recently I got married to a girl from PA and my whole family made the trip. My grandmother is from St. Genevieve, MO (as is my father) which is one town away from Perryville MO. Well my grandmother decided that if she made the trip all the Way to PA she would find time to visit the Elder cemetery she has always heard about in Frederick MD. Well it turned out to be Emmitsburg and the campus of Mount St. Marys Univ. This was only 15 miles from the town I was getting married in so most of the family went to the site. My grandmother was overcome with such excitement and such good fortune as to have all her children in one place (Catholics tend to have quite a few and I can only remember 2 other occasions where all my aunts and uncles were in the same place at one time since I have been alive. Everyone was able to witness the "homecoming" so to speak and she was very glad to see how well the site is kept up.

Now that I'm back from my honeymoon I started to look into the genealogy and find my exact link to William elder. I think it is right but I've not found much online about my side after a certain point so I want to document it. If any one can confirm what I have below this would be great.

Not sure if this works out but this is As told to me, Patrick Elder 6-21-2006 By My Grandmother Stella Mae Elder of St. Genevieve, MO. Any help verifying this would be most appreciated.


William Elder I
William Elder II
Guy Elder married Eleanor Willet? (MD)
James Elder Married Mary Anne Richards (Migrated to KY?) 1791?
Guy Thomas Possible Twin George A. Elder?
Joseph Elder (KY)
Joseph Arsted Elder (MO)
Francis Orlando Elder (MO)
Thomas Joseph Elder (Perryville, MO)
Thomas G. Elder (St. Genevieve, MO)
Joel P. Elder (Charlotte, NC)
Patrick N. Elder (Charlotte, NC)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: WILLIAM ELDER of Maryland in Donna Logan's files Reply with quote

Hi Patrick,
Thanks for adding information to our ELDER files here!
It's great to hear about current reunions and interest in ELDER
genealogy!

I don't have much more about the "WILLIAM ELDER of Maryland" line, except the entries in the ELDER DNA project,
which are found to be different than my "Franklin Co PA" group.

Donna Logan had posted several webpages for WILLIAM ELDER of
Maryland on her FamilyTrail.com "Family Histories" section.
See:
http://www.familytrail.com/elder/WilliamElderEmmitsburgMd/williamelder.html

and more....have you seen references to the "WILLIAM ELDER" book by
Sister Mary Louise Donnelly? I believe it is available in
some genealogy libraries.

Donna lists her sources at the bottom of the WILLIAM ELDER webpage:
....[Sources: our member's files;
various Maryland records as cited above, all of which are at the Maryland Hall of Records in Annapolis;
and at the Montgomery County Historical Society Library; and
Book: "William Elder, Ancestors and Descendants,"
by Sister Mary Louise Donnelly, pub. by Donnelly in 1986]
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http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:28 am    Post subject: Thanks Nancy Reply with quote

I hope to do the DNA project real soon

Thanks again for all your help
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:24 pm    Post subject: WILLIAM ELDER of Maryland - DNA SCOTLAND RESEARCH Reply with quote

RE: SCOTLAND DNA research for "WILLIAM ELDER of Maryland"

For "close surname match" of YUILL in the Scotland DNA chart,
beginning "13 24 14 10"
(WILLIAM ELDER not entered there, but numbers fit)
See:
Scotland DNA project (Y-DNA results):
http://www.ourfamilyorigins.com/scotland/dna.htm

Found YULE Family genforum online,
with spelling variations for YUILL/YUILLE.
This Genforum message has Dunbarton SCOTLAND location:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/yule/messages/212.html

>Yuille of Dunbarton Scotland
>Posted by: Georgia McLeish Clements (ID *****5426)
Date: April 22, 2005 at 23:29:25
>Researching the family of Archibald Buchanan Yuille
married 1857 Janet Ritchie Buchanan
Children.
Frances b 1859
Matilda 1860
Ellinor 1861
Jane 1863
Anna 1865
Andrew 1867
Herbert Buchanan Yuille 1868 m Margaret Mabel Sidey.
***

Also found many entries for YUILL in WorldConnect database.
We know there are ELDER Surnames in Paisley, Renfrew,
Scotland.
See:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=marna1&id=I22710
by Marion Fielding
e-mail: MARNA@freyr.plus.com

ID: I22710
Name: Robert YUILL
Surname: Yuill
Given Name: Robert
Sex: M
Birth: ABT 1816 in Irvine,Ayr,Scotland
Death: AFT 2 Jan 1876
Change Date: 1 Sep 2004 at 11:49:52

Father: James YUILL b: ABT 1780 in Of Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
Mother: Margaret CRAIG b: ABT 1780 in Of Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland

Marriage 1 Mary MACGAVIN b: ABT 1820 in of Irvine,Ayr,Scotland
Married: 24 Jan 1841 in Irvine,Ayr,Scotland
Children
David YUILL b: 29 Mar 1844 in Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland
Margaret YUILL b: 10 Jul 1846 in Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland
Robert YUILL b: 23 Dec 1848 in Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland
YUILL b: 23 Mar 1856 in Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland
Mary YUILL b: 22 Jun 1859 in Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland

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Here's my file from researching the CLARY surname matches with
WILLIAM ELDER.

It's great that WILLIAM ELDER DNA matches the DNA Host of the
CLARY DNA project,
JASON CLARY, except we haven't figured out why!

I found more CLARY info here,
starting with a FREDERICK CO MD entry,
goes back to VA and Ireland -
so that probably goes back to Scotland directly.
See CLARY webpage:
http://vargas_s.tripod.com/Clary/fam02395.htm

Husband: George CLARY
Born: ABT 1794 at: , Frederick, MD
Married: 5 OCT 1826 at: , Lewis, KY
Father:David CLARY
Wife: Frances SEYBOLD
Born: 28 NOV 1801
Father:Jasper SEYBOLD
Mother:Nancy CARROLL
***
(skip)...
***
Husband: John CLARY
Born: ABT 1684 at: , Anne Arundel, MD
Married: 30 DEC 1705 at: Middle Neck Parish, Anne Arundel, MD
Died: 1728 at: , , MD
Father:John CLARY
Mother:Mary
Wife: Elizabeth Eleanor HALEY\ HALY
Born: ABT 1687 at: , St. Mary's, MD
Died: at: probably , Baltimore, MD
Father:Clement HALY
Mother:Mary TURNER
***
Husband: John CLARY
Born: 1660 at: , Surry, VA
Married: 1681 at: , Anne Arundel, MD
Died: 11 AUG 1740 at: , , MD
Father:Thomas CLARY
Mother:Judith LATON
Wife: Mary
*****
...
Husband: Thomas CLARY
Born: ABT 1630 at: Ireland to VA 1653
Married: 1660 at:
Died: 1679 at: , , VA
*****
...
See also:
jason CLARY - DNA #43082
DNA chart by Jason CLARY
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ocleirigh
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results:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:37 pm    Post subject: WorldConnect entries for "WILLIAM ELDER of Maryland&quo Reply with quote

There are several entries in WorldConnect that carry
"WILLIAM ELDER of Maryland" lists:
Here's one by Ron McAtee
Descendants list (first part):
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=rmcatee&id=I01174

1 William ELDER I b: 1680 d: 15 OCT 1714
+ Elizabeth FINCH b: 1687 d: 1729
2 William ELDER II b: 1707 d: 22 APR 1775
+ Ann WHEELER b: 1709 d: 11 AUG 1739
3 William ELDER III b: ABT 1724
3 Charles ELDER b: ABT 1728 d: 1804
+ Julia WARD b: UNKNOWN d: UNKNOWN
3 Guy ELDER I b: ABT 1732 d: 9 NOV 1805
+ Eleanor OGLE b: 2 MAR 1741 d: BEF 1805
4 Judith ELDER
4 James ELDER b: 25 OCT 1765 d: 14 AUG 1845
+ Mary Ann Polly RICHARDS b: BET 1753 AND 1778 d: 8 JAN 1857
5 James E. ELDER b: 4 OCT 1805 d: 14 DEC 1866
+ Lavina JARBOE b: 12 OCT 1812 d: UNKNOWN
6 William Walter ELDER b: 3 MAR 1832 d: 16 JUL 1911
+ Martha A. MCATEE b: 15 JUN 1828 d: 1906
7 Mary L. ELDER b: 1 APR 1858 d: 4 SEP 1934
7 James Joseph ELDER b: 15 OCT 1860 d: 1924
+ Mary Ellen DONCASTER
8 George Rezin ELDER b: 22 AUG 1879
8 Benedict ELDER b: 19 JUN 1882
7 William Robert ELDER b: 5 FEB 1863 d: UNKNOWN
7 Elizabeth Ellen ELDER b: 11 MAR 1865 d: 20 AUG 1929
7 George McAtee ELDER b: 9 APR 1868 d: 13 DEC 1944
+ Rose Anna AUSTIN b: JAN 1873 d: 17 OCT 1953
+ Maryarilam HALL b: ABT 1858 d: BET 1887 AND 1952
7 Caltherine Alice ELDER b: 28 OCT 1869 d: 9 MAY 1954
+ Joseph Lavialle RUSSELL d: 13 SEP 1955
8 Anna Mary RUSSELL b: 28 AUG 1889
+ Aloys LANDES
8 Thomas William RUSSELL b: 7 JUL 1891 d: 10 OCT 1894
8 James Mattingly RUSSELL b: 18 DEC 1892 d: 26 SEP 1918
8 Joseph Thomas RUSSELL b: 21 MAR 1895 d: 28 MAR 1960
+ Marie HUHN
8 Martha Lavinia RUSSELL b: 7 OCT 1896 d: 10 MAY 1961
+ Alphonsus Joseph LESOUSKY b: 26 JAN 1892 d: 14 DEC 1968
9 Christine Catherine LESOUSKY b: 7 MAR 1918
9 Living LESOUSKY
9 Joseph Lavialle LESOUSKY b: 19 MAR 1922 d: 26 APR 1936
9 Living LESOUSKY
+ Living SPALDING
9 Living LESOUSKY
9 Living LESOUSKY
8 William Manning RUSSELL b: 1 MAR 1898 d: SEP 1898
5 Guy Thomas ELDER b: 17 FEB 1814 d: ABT 1870
+ Mary M. BURCH
6 Delphina ELDER
+ George Samuel HAYDEN
7 Mary Valera HAYDEN
+ John Alfred PAYNE
8 George Douglas PAYNE
+ Mary Magdalene CLARK
9 Ruth Cecilia PAYNE
+ William Garrett BARR , Sr.
10 William Garrett BARR , Jr. d: BEF 2005
+ Ida Myrl VANCE d: BEF 2005
+ Elizabeth TUCKER b: ABT 1801 d: AFT 1837
6 Joseph ELDER b: 11 MAR 1818 d: 6 AUG 1894
+ Harriet Elizabeth WALKER b: 5 AUG 1823 d: 20 APR 1889
7 Joseph Arsted ELDER b: 10 DEC 1841 d: 7 JAN 1926
+ Fadelia Ann BREWER b: 12 NOV 1840 d: 23 MAY 1874
8 Francis Orlando ELDER b: 4 FEB 1867 d: 26 NOV 1916
8 Mary Florence ELDER b: 29 JUL 1870 d: 4 JUL 1900
+ Caroline BOLLINGER b: 1856 d: 24 APR 1899
8 Mary Elizabeth ELDER b: 27 FEB 1876 d: BET 1877 AND 1970
8 Alice Rosella ELDER b: 27 FEB 1877 d: BET 1878 AND 1971
8 William Vincent ELDER b: 22 AUG 1878 d: 12 AUG 1879
8 Agnes Nellie ELDER b: 29 OCT 1879 d: BET 1880 AND 1973
8 Clarence Andrew ELDER b: 16 JUN 1881 d: BET 1882 AND 1971
8 Lilli Annie ELDER b: 24 OCT 1882 d: BET 1883 AND 1976
8 Louise A. ELDER b: 28 OCT 1883 d: BET 1897 AND 1977
+ John Francis LOTTES b: BET 1866 AND 1886 d: BET 1900 AND 1972
8 Dora Isabel ELDER b: 16 NOV 1884 d: AUG 1964
+ Henry Comelius BISHOP b: 3 NOV 1886 d: 20 APR 1968
9 Joseph Glennon BISHOP
9 Thomas Bemard BISHOP
+ Living LOGGER
9 John Francis BISHOP
+ Living LARUSSA
8 William Patrick ELDER b: 17 MAR 1886 d: BET 1887 AND 1976
8 Robert J. ELDER b: 14 NOV 1887 d: BET 1888 AND 1977
8 Charles Harrison ELDER b: 10 APR 1889 d: BET 1890 AND 1979
8 Mary E. ELDER b: 31 OCT 1890 d: BET 1891 AND 1984
8 Dennis Francis ELDER b: 27 SEP 1892 d: 24 OCT 1894
8 Joseph B. ELDER b: 14 JAN 1896 d: ABT 16 JAN 1896
7 [???] ELDER b: 2 MAY 1847 d: Stillborn
6 George ELDER b: 21 DEC 1822 d: BET 1823 AND 1912
6 Elisa ELDER b: ABT 1823 d: BET 1824 AND 1917
6 Catherine ELDER b: 24 NOV 1824 d: BET 1825 AND 1918
6 James Edward ELDER b: 22 OCT 1826 d: BET 1847 AND 1916
+ Theresa LAYTON b: BET 1825 AND 1851 d: BET 1847 AND 1934
6 Emilia Theresa ELDER b: 13 FEB 1829 d: BET 1830 AND 1923
6 Mary Matilda ELDER b: 3 FEB 1831 d: BET 1832 AND 1925
6 Thomas G. ELDER b: 19 MAR 1833 d: BET 1872 AND 1924
+ Catherine ?. BLANDFORD b: BET 1829 AND 1849 d: BET 1850 AND 1933
+ Catherine BLANDFORD b: BET 1820 AND 1843 d: BET 1872 AND 1932
7 Genevieve ELDER b: 1869 d: 23 OCT 1875
6 Amilia Eleanor ELDER b: 9 AUG 1835 d: BET 1860 AND 1929
+ George BLANDFORD b: BET 1809 AND 1835 d: BET 1859 AND 1923
6 John ELDER b: 17 NOV 1837 d: 12 MAR 1890
+ Mary Marcella LAYTON b: 18 SEP 1840 d: 25 JAN 1862
7 Catherine Elizabeth ELDER b: 8 SEP 1859 d: 19 AUG 1916
+ Clement Rosati FENWICK b: 17 JUN 1861 d: 12 AUG 1932
...MORE....
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http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:04 pm    Post subject: 1850 and 1860 census for ELDER in Perry Co MO Reply with quote

Searching ANCESTRY.COM ONLINE CENSUS

1850 census
Joseph Elder
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Birth place: Kentucky
Gender: Male
Home in 1850
(City,County,State):
Cape Cinque Hommes, Perry, Missouri
Image Source: Year: 1850;†
Census Place: Cape Cinque Hommes, Perry, Missouri;†
Roll: M432_409;†Page: 71;†Image: 143.
Household:
Joseph 32 ..KY
Harriet 31.. NC
Aristides 10 ..MO
Guy 3.. MO
John 13.. MO
Susan Abernathy 62.. NC
Susan Tucker 65.. NC
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1860 Census
Joseph†Elder
Age in 1860: 41
Birth Year: abt 1819
Birthplace: Kentucky
Home in 1860: Cinque Hommes,†Perry,†Missouri
Gender: Male
Post Office: Perryville
Household Members:
Joseph Elder 41 .. KY
Harriet Elder 37 .. NC
Joseph Elder 18 .. MO
Guy T Elder 10 .. MO
Catherine Elder 9.. MO
Vincent Elder 7 .. MO
George Elder 5 .. MO
Rosalie Elder 3 .. MO
Mary E Elder 2 .. MO
Guy Eder 64 .. KY

Image Source: Year: 1860;†
Census Place: Cinque Hommes, Perry, Missouri;†
Roll: M653_638;†Page: 0;†Image: 280.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Cousins

I have just joined the list and wanted to introduce myself
I am Tim Gallagher and I reside in New Market, Frederick County, Maryland. This is the same county that the Elders helped to settle in the early 1700ís.

If I have this right this is how I am related to the Elders

John Elder 1650 and Janet Reill/Keil?
William Elder I (1681) and Elizabeth Finch
William Elder II (1707) and Ann Wheeler
Charles Elder and Julia Ward /Guy Elder and Eleanor Ogle
Walter Elder and Priscilla Elder (first cousins)
John Elder and Mary Ann Myers/Moyer?
Hugh Gallaher and Mary Emily Elder
William Wilfred Gallagher and Mary A. Smith
Elmer Francis Gallagher and Bertha Mae Schroyer
Lloyd Francis Gallagher and Virginia Josephine Mary Ott
Timothy Paul Gallagher

Cousin Patrick congrats on your recent marriage.

Others can correct me who have been doing this longer

Guy Elder was married twice

1st was Eleanor Wickham (Married 1755) who died in child birth on 01 Jan 1757 She and Guy had one son William (01 Jan 1757)
Married 1755

2nd was Eleanor Ogle (Married 1761)
She and Guy had 13 children and your James would have been their eldest son. I have him married on 13 Feb 1792 ( Nelson, KY) to Mary Ann Polly Richards.

I hope this is right and hope it helps.

Tim G.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:11 pm    Post subject: Hugh and Emily Elder GALLAGHER Reply with quote

Hi Tim,
Thanks for posting! I found more of your Cambria Co PA
ELDER branch on WorldConnect:
posted here:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:1000527&id=I14005
ID:
I14005
Name: George A. GALLAGHER 1
Sex: M
Birth: 19 JUN 1849 in Allegheny Twp., Cambria Co., Pa
Death: 20 DEC 1933 in Cresson, Cambria Co., Pa

Father: Hugh GALLAHER
Mother: Mary Emily Ann ELDER

Marriage 1 Adeline Loretta ECKENRODE b: 12 JAN 1865 in Cambria Co.,
Pa
Children
Clara Myrtle GALLAGHER b: 17 MAR 1884 in Gallitzen Twp., Cambria
Co., Pa
Edward GALLAGHER b: APR 1885 in Gallitzen Twp., Cambria Co., Pa
Augustine GALLAGHER b: MAR 1887 in Gallitzen Twp., Cambria Co., Pa
Emily GALLAGHER
Harry GALLAGHER
Ida GALLAGHER
Annie M. GALLAGHER b: 1 JUN 1895 in Spindley City, Gallitzen Twp.,
Cambria Co., Pa
Christina GALLAGHER
Charles GALLAGHER
Child GALLAGHER
Mary GALLAGHER
David GALLAGHER
Joseph GALLAGHER

Sources:
Title: Descendants of Johan Wilhelm & Anna Margaretha Eckenroth
Author: compiled by Lois Eckenrode Stafford
Publication: FTM Users Home Page
Repository:
Note: FTM Users Home Page
Call Number:
Media: Electronic

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Cambria Co PA GENWEB Cemeteries webpage lists
Hugh and Emily:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacambri/cems/AllStMichael06.html
St. Michael Cemetery
Loretto, Allegheny Township
Cambria County, Pennsylvania

GALLAGHER, Emily
30 Oct 1828
1 Jul 1908
w/o Hugh; main section
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Ancestry 1910 census
Elmer Gallagher
Age in 1910: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Home in 1910: Blacklick, Cambria, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Mother's Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Father's Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Household Members:
Elmer Gallagher 21
Bertha Gallagher 23
Irene Gallagher 6
Joseph Gallagher 4
Merrill Gallagher 2/12

Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Blacklick, Cambria, Pennsylvania; Roll: T624_1322; Page: 7A; Enumeration District: 97; Image: 729.
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Ancestry.com
WWI draft registration --good for Birth Date in SAR application:

Elmer F Gallagher
City: [Residence: Vintondale, PA]
County: Cambria
State: Pennsylvania
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Birth Date: 25 Apr 1889
Race: Caucasian
Roll: 1877827
DraftBoard: 1
Image - handwritten
Married
***

Ancestry.com 1920 census
Elmer Gallagher
Age:30 years
Estimated birth year:abt 1890
Birthplace:Pennsylvania
Race:White
Home in 1920:Allegheny, Cambria, Pennsylvania
Home owned:Rent
Sex:Male
Marital status:Married
Relation to Head of House:Head
Able to read:Yes
Able to Write:Yes
Mother's Birth Place:Pennsylvania
Father's Birth Place:Pennsylvania
Image Source: Year: 1920; Census Place: Allegheny, Cambria, Pennsylvania; Roll: T625_1545; Page: 4A; Enumeration District: 207; Image: 81.
Household:
Bertha wife 33, ....others...
Lloyd, son 4 1/2 (on second sheet)

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SAR article for William Sr.
Page 1:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/news/WilliamElderSAR.jpg
and
Page 2:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/news/WilliamElderSAR2.jpg
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http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder
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